Donald is bullying is again today. And our side will spend the rest of week on the defensive.

[Saboburns]

Because no Democrats had the brains, or guts, to call him a Liar yesterday.

His voters are rapturous right now.

[HAB911]

1. Where are the liberal Bad Boys?

[Initech]

69. Ours get demonized and laughed out of office by the right-wing hate media.

[AgadorSparticus]

2. This is his side spinning and trying to do damage control.

The media needs to follow the truth. Not wild accusatory bullshit.

Actually, the media needs to ask Is there evidence of these wild claims? If not, they need to put up or shut up. These wild accusations need to be called out for what they are.

[Saboburns]

5. How bout we just have one Democrat with guts enough to scream out the truth.

And would say

"DONALD TRUMP LIED, AND COMMITTED A CRIME."

Instead of waiting for the media to stop Donald Trump.

[AgadorSparticus]

14. We can't scream he has committed a crime until we have proven evidence

The difference between what they are doing and with the wire taps is that one is all hot air, accusations attempting to deflect and do damage control on a battered administration full of lies and suspicious activities with our adversary.

The other is a legal process of investigation. I am sure they don't want anyone standing up and screaming anything that might obstruct the ongoing investigative process.

There IS a reason why trump people are scrambling and putting up these asinine accusations. We don't have to scratch every itch and we certainly don't need to accept every invitation to engage in bullshit distraction.

Evidence and facts. Evidence and facts. The focus needs to remain on trump and putin. Eye on the prize.

[Cosmocat]

15. Yep

THIS is our end, our "leaders" are so not up to the moment.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

45. Obama issued a short professional denial stating facts. tRump wants to push it to use up oxygen.

Classic diversion.

tRump's tactic won't work. May delay things about 30 minutes.

[global1]

3. Now The Dems Have A Good Reason To Call For An.....

Independent Special Prosecutor. He just made this whole thing political by bringing in Obama's name to it. So in order for it to be fair to both sides it needs to be taken out if the realm of a congressional investigation and be totally independent.

Well done Donald!!!!

[BumRushDaShow]

4. Ah

concern trolling.

[BannonsLiver]

12. Yep. Breaking out all over DU today.

So interesting isn't it?

[Cha]

17. Yeah, he's falling for their bullshit. Unreal

[BannonsLiver]

19. Some people just don't have the stomach for politics and are easily rattled.

[Cha]

23. I guess so.. the trumputin gang is on the defensive and scared shitless..

And, this guy is railing @ Dems.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. Time to buy stock in the companies that make Depends and Immodium.

[Saboburns]

57. My goals aren't large. Nor nefarious. I'm not rattled.

I just want somebody to say Donald Trump lied about this.

It took 29 hours but Nancy Pelosi did it. She called him a liar.

Chuck Schumer came close a while ago on MTP. But no, not quite up to the mark. (Although I really like him)

So far, we have 1 Democrat that has called Donald a liar on this.

[BannonsLiver]

59. Obama's folks said it wasn't true yesterday.

I find very often we see what we want to see.

[Eliot Rosewater]

6. Trump and GOP are willing to tear the country aparty at the seams, cause civil unrest

rather than admit they are treasonous bastards and they know there are enough dumb supporters to cause a real problem.

[Saboburns]

7. Why should they stop?

They have all 3 branches of government and elected Donald Trump President.

Hey, at least we got Saturday Night Live.

Maybe I need to point out that they're kicking our asses proper like.

[Eliot Rosewater]

9. They lost the election by over 3 million and we now know they were hacking

electoral systems in the states that went for trump that we know didnt really go for trump

they kicked nobody's ass

[Saboburns]

10. So we won the election

And are in power in all 3 branches in Goverment??

I'm taken aback.

[Secret Squirrel]

33. We lost, get over it!

Those 3 million votes came from 1 state. It could have been 20 million and we would have still lost. The electoral college system does not work like that and is not going anywhere anytime soon.

So can we forget this bullshit argument that we won and start looking at what we need to do to flip those blue states red agian so we can actually win next time?

[SammyWinstonJack]

65. "Flip those blue states red agian"....whaaat?

[Boomerproud]

67. I think you better run to a different forum.

n/t

[uppityperson]

73. Do you mean flip red states blue?

[KittyWampus]

56. What you posted is not true. It's not supported by any evidence.

The voter registration data bases were hacked. Saying "electoral systems" makes it easy for you to pretend they changed vote totals or did something to the tabulators.

But there is no evidence of this.

Obama and Clinton BOTH said it didn't happen.

The facts matter. Making shit up just because it makes you feel good is still essentially lying.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

8. Very true. Coons on Fox - not a very good debater. When asked why

they don't just hurry up and let Trump play out his agenda. He
hemmed and hawed in my opinion.

The reason potential collusion is even being discussed is that 4 people
associated with Trump have lied/retracted previous statements.

FLYNN
SESSIONS
JD GORDON
CARTER PAGE

[Cha]

11. Bull. the assholes are on the defensive.. don't try to turn this around

[Saboburns]

13. Defensive?!?

Their President has accused Barack Obama of wire tapping his phones. And the White House spokesman (Maybe I should point out that he's on the Republican side too) has just called for a Congressional Investigation into Obama's White House abusing their power to tap Trumps phone.

Now I'm not making a judgement about truth. I'm simply out that these are not defensive actions.

Now are they?

[Cha]

16. It's all bullshit.. Do NOT GET SUCKED in to their Bullshit.

that's what they want and you're falling for it.

[Saboburns]

21. What exactly have I said

That makes you think I've been sucked into their bullshit?

I'm not being mean nor snarky.

[BannonsLiver]

25. Your breathless, pants shitting OP for starters

[KingCharlemagne]

52. +Infinity - nt

[Saboburns]

18. Unless there's some new definition of defensive

I'm not yet aware of

[BumRushDaShow]

20. Um what you just posted is incorrect

The calls from Democrats have been to conduct an independent investigation of current administration's ties with Russia. There were already investigations on-going by ALL of the intelligence agencies during the election season related to the hacking of the DNC and that lead to discovery of other instances of Drumpf campaign staffers interacting with Russia.

No one need "tap" Drumpf's phone to discover if anything unsavory was going on between him (or his staff) and Russia. You just tap the Russians and find out who they are talking to.

[Saboburns]

22. I DIDN'T SAY WE TAPPED TRUMPS PHONE

DonaldTrump said that.

[BumRushDaShow]

24. Your whole thread is apparently in support of their lies

and you are wringing your hands in terror.

[Saboburns]

26. No no

My whole thread is that Donald Trump is bullying us again.

And that we are mostly to blame because no Democrats had the brains or guts to say that when Trump said Obama tapped his phones. DONALD TRUMP WAS LYING.


And committed a crime.

[BumRushDaShow]

32. Yes yes

The hand-wringing is annoying really.

[Dave Starsky]

35. Theres concern all over this forum this morning, isn't there?

Everyone's just so concerned.

It's just so concerning, really. I'm really so very concerned.

[BumRushDaShow]

36. I heard it non-stop for 8 years

and had hoped that once the administration changed, it would be laid to rest.

Ah well....

[bravenak]

64. Yes

[Saboburns]

60. I don't wring my hands

Asking someone to call a liar a liar isn't wringing their hands.

No.

Not at all.

[muriel_volestrangler]

66. Yes, they are defensive. Sessions was caught lying to Congress, and the calls for an independent

prosecutor are spreading, even to some Republicans, so Trump has gone on the defensive by putting up this smokescreen of "my phones were tapped! Wah! I've got no evidence, and my spokesthing says we're going to hold our breath until someone else finds some evidence!"

The claim that a FISA warrant to wiretap the 2 Russian banks was issued in October was first made by Mensch in November, and the BBC repeated it in January before Trump became president. He's only bringing it up now as a defensive diversion.

[Blue_true]

70. They are attempts to deflect that can easily be proved untrue.

The problem with out side is our politicians use cute, unclear language while republicans use easy to understand simple thoughts. You can be the smartest and most honest person in the world, but if people can't understand you, they will not understand you.

[uppityperson]

72. "I'm not making a judgement about truth", that truth being "no Democrats had the brains, or guts, to

":no Democrats had the brains, or guts, to call him a Liar yesterday"?

[liberal N proud]

27. His claims this time have exceeded believability

[Saboburns]

30. Yes. Hell yes.

Donand Trump lied and committed a crime.

He libelled Barack Obama.

My whole point is, why the helll won't a Democrat stand up and yell this??

[Foamfollower]

29. You're entitled to believe that, but I think your take is just plain silly.

[nolabear]

31. Okay, I'll bite. What would you do?

You're a Democrat in an elected position. What would you say and do in response to the latest accusations by that man?

[Saboburns]

34. I'd say

"When Donald Trump accused Barack Obama of tapping his phone, he's lying. And committing Libel against Barack Obama. If I were Barack Obama I'd sue his sorry ass."

[nolabear]

37. What do libel laws say re former Presidents? I know it's dicey with celebs.

[BumRushDaShow]

38. You do understand that public figures really have little recourse

when it comes to libel and slander, right? And that what you are describing fits neither description.

Apparently not.

[Saboburns]

39. Explain?

I've never seen a clearer case of Libel.

All within 140 characters.

[BumRushDaShow]

41. Go look up the definition and scope.

The concern is concerning.

[Saboburns]

42. Libel

li·bel
ˈlībəl/
noun
1.
LAW
a published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation.

[BumRushDaShow]

48. Read this

http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/proving-fault-actual-malice-and-negligence

and I will "feed" you no more.

[Dave Starsky]

40. You're funny.

I bet you're a hit at kids' birthday parties.

Sounds like you need to sit down, take a few deep cleansing breaths, listen to the birdies chirping outside your window, and ask yourself why Mr. Obama--who has a LOT more knowledge of what's going on behind the scenes than we do--doesn't seem to particularly give a shit about what Donald tweeted about him yesterday.

[Saboburns]

43. I just don't understand the push back I receive here on this

I keep scratching my head.

[Dave Starsky]

49. I'm guessing you're not old enough to remember Watergate.

But I do.

It took nearly two years for the Republican leadership to achieve the same level of pants shitting that Trump and Company have attained in just six weeks.

Now, I'm never one to celebrate before a victory, but it's pretty obvious that Republicans are panicking. Instead of panicking with them (which is what they want), laugh at them and revel in their misery. They deserve it.

[Blue_true]

71. That is clear language. For some reason, our politicians seem

allergic to using clear language. Look at the garbled response that Ben Rhodes gave yesterday.

[mcar]

44. Ummm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028749931#post1

[Saboburns]

46. thank you thank you thank you

Thank you mcar

Thank you Nancy Pelosi.

There's one.

I've been waiting on this for 28 hours.

[Saboburns]

47. I don't think that was too much to ask for

Link to tweet

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) didn’t mince words on CNN Sunday morning, calling President Donald Trump a liar for accusing former President Barack Obama of tapping the phones in Trump Tower.

Appearing on State of the Union, Pelosi was asked by host Jake Tapper, “Do you have any idea what he is talking about” in regard to about Trump’s tweets.

“The president is the deflector in chief, anything to change the subject from where the heat is,” Pelosi began. “And as and someone who has been engaged in intelligence and the member of the Gang of Eight for a long time, I can tell you that it’s just ridiculous for the president — or President Trump to say that President Obama would ever order any wiretap of an American citizen, any president. That’s just not — we don’t do that.”

“It’s called a ‘wrap-up smear,'” she continued. “You make up something then you have the press write about it, then you say ‘everybody is writing about it.’ It’s a charge. It’s a tool of an authoritarian, to just have them talking about what you want them to be talking about. Rather than Russia, we’re talking about President Obama. And then to take it to the Congress and say, ‘Now you investigate this,’ when he’s in favor of Congress of investigating anything but what do the Russians have on Donald Trump, politically, financially or personally.”


read/watch:http://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/its-a-tool-of-an-authoritarian-nancy-pelosi-rips-trump-for-lying-about-obama-tapping-his-phones/

[KingCharlemagne]

50. What exactly are you referring to? How would calling him a "Liar"

yesterday have made one bit of difference?

And what exactly is the point of this OP really?

[Saboburns]

53. Er, um

That he lied.

That somebody ought say he lied.

My goals weren't large.

[KingCharlemagne]

62. Obama's spokesperson yesterday said the allegation was "simply false." So Im not sure

how much more you wanted. IMO, a firm denial is more effective and carries more credibility than shouting "Liar!" As for Trump's rapturous base, nothing we say or do will convince a bunch of faith-based morons, so why waste the energy trying?

[randr]

51. No Democrat called him a liar? Are you watching Faux?

[Saboburns]

54. Without being snarky

Hell no I'm not watching Fox.

[randr]

55. Every time I turned on any news yesterday and today for that matter

everyone is calling Trump a liar.

[Saboburns]

58. No, no I've been watching.

We called him unhinged, desperate, dangerous, infantile et al.

I even heard that his remarks are patently false. That his remarks were nonsense.

But so far only Nancy Pelosi has called Donald Trump a liar.

[stillcool]

61. His bullsh*t doesn't...

deserve any response. Kind of like trolls. You might want to play with them a bit, but then it's back to the real world.

[emulatorloo]

63. Uh-uh. Pelosi is so on the defensive (eyeroll)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028749931

Maybe start paying attention before you baselessly smear Democrats in multiple threads.

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House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) didn’t mince words on CNN Sunday morning, calling President Donald Trump a liar for accusing former President Barack Obama of tapping the phones in Trump Tower.

Appearing on State of the Union, Pelosi was asked by host Jake Tapper, “Do you have any idea what he is talking about” in regard to about Trump’s tweets.

“The president is the deflector in chief, anything to change the subject from where the heat is,” Pelosi began. “And as and someone who has been engaged in intelligence and the member of the Gang of Eight for a long time, I can tell you that it’s just ridiculous for the president — or President Trump to say that President Obama would ever order any wiretap of an American citizen, any president. That’s just not — we don’t do that.”

“It’s called a ‘wrap-up smear,'” she continued. “You make up something then you have the press write about it, then you say ‘everybody is writing about it.’ It’s a charge. It’s a tool of an authoritarian, to just have them talking about what you want them to be talking about. Rather than Russia, we’re talking about President Obama. And then to take it to the Congress and say, ‘Now you investigate this,’ when he’s in favor of Congress of investigating anything but what do the Russians have on Donald Trump, politically, financially or personally.”

[Initech]

68. I would just say this: