The TSA pat downs as described that start tomorrow equate to molestation

[NotThisTime]

If an adult did this (as described) to an unwilling adult or any child, they would be arrested and charged. As a frequent flier I've had plenty of pat downs. I think my wardrobe going through the TSA will be, shall we say very minimal in the event I get pulled aside, my top layer can come right off.

[jehop61]

1. Have an artificial knee

Always get a Pat down...now the TSA will be in the business of molesting a lot of senior citizens. Guess I'll drive from now on.

[NotThisTime]

7. I'm simply going to wear a strapless bikini top and thong bottoms under a jacket and sarong

I'll change into more appropriate clothing for my long haul flights when I get through security. I don't give a shit. If I can wear it on the beach I can wear it in the airport.

They've updated the website already

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening#quickset-security_screening_quicktabs_2

[Pachamama]

17. How does this differ from what they previously had on their website?

What I notice is the comment about even TSA pre individuals can be singled out for a pat-down.

[NotThisTime]

30. Before they had 5 options, now they have 1 and they have to use "sufficient force" meaning more than

before in private areas not included before.

[jalan48]

2. Is this part of the Republican, "We're the government and we're here to help" routine?

[titaniumsalute]

3. I always try to break wind while they are patting me down

[Doreen]

4. What are they going to do?

I have not seen what they plan on doing to us. Just as long as they do not want to put their fingers up our butts and for women our vaginas. My blind friends guide dog had an anal probe years ago but then people are very rude to blind people.

[tblue37]

5. They are often even ruder to deaf people. (I know--I am one.) nt

[Doreen]

10. I don't know about that.

When a blind person walks into a store or restaurant the employees either all run away or you can hear them fighting on who has to help the blind person ( yes, they actually argue ) As far as everybody is concerned not only are they blind they are deaf and shout. they think they are stupid and incapable of taking care of themselves and actually indicate it in some way. When in a restaurant they actually try to shove you in the most unnoticeable place whether they have a guide dog or not. They ask whoever is with them what they want. At a bank a couple of times they actually asked me about my Friend's account...I have no flippin clue..not my money or account. I am in no way saying you do not have problems. My disability is a very hard one because you can not tell from looking at me or talking to me for a little while that I am so I have people treating me like I am stealing from the government and them. I tell them "You try getting slammed into a car while on a moped and see how well you come out along with the fetal alcohol syndrome and ADHD and a few other disabilities you were born with which got worse from the hit on the head." All disabilities have their problems with society. What do you deal with?

[NotThisTime]

6. What has been approved is the following

They have always gone from the head, neck shoulders spine, top of the butt, down the legs and brushing the breasts and groin, well now that will be more invasive, going down the butt as well with enough pressure they can make sure they feel anything.

Where I go, I can't drive, so that's not an option.

This is apparently in response to the TSA's failure rate of I believe it was 92% 2 years ago. Of course the obvious point, is that it wasn't weapons on people they missed, it was in carry on's, but in response this is their solution.

[JudyM]

38. Eww, awful. Creepy.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

8. Guess I won't be flying any time soon.

Are these pat downs for everyone?

[dalton99a]

9. So the weapons they missed were in the genital areas.

Makes sense.

[uponit7771]

11. +1

[NotThisTime]

14. +1000

It's ridiculous on it's face....

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

25. Well, there was "the underwear bomber" ...

... another member of the gang that couldn't shoot straight.

[Doreen]

12. What is sad

is that they could use dogs which are less intrusive and by the way very very rarely miss anything. Dogs can be trained to detect anything and each dog can be trained to find several things. Dogs have proven to find more than these pat downs. I did the math once and including EVERYTHING from birth to death they could have 5 dogs that cost the amount of those stupid machines that shows your body like it is naked and dogs still catch more. I think they just enjoy making us feel intruded.

[NotThisTime]

16. +1000

[phylny]

13. What would they do if you just stripped naked in front of them?

Asking for a friend.

[NotThisTime]

15. Well a bikini top under my jacket and bikini thong under my wrap around skirt or sarong won't be far

from it. You want a pat down? My jacket and wrap around skirt or sarong comes off. No problem. There's nothing they can do. If I can wear it on a beach, I sure as hell can wear it in an airport. I have no body issues, so I don't actually give a damn.

To strip down naked you could be arrested, in fact they have tried in the past to detain those who stripped down to a bikini but obviously it didn't stand up, 2 pat downs ago I swore to god I'd go this route but didn't, last go round I didn't have the same aggressiveness, but now? Freaking forget it, I'll assume it will be like 2 pat downs ago.

[phylny]

20. LOL, I would make young heterosexual men swear off women

for life with my body

But, seriously, not a bad idea.

[NotThisTime]

21. Unless you care, who cares? It's not your problem what anyone thinks!

[phylny]

26. I don't care. Just having some fun :) n/t

[JudyM]

37. Please let us know how it goes. It'll be a good story, anyway.

Good luck! Give em hell.

[nini]

18. I've had to get in those scanner things that go all around you

Jesus.. if they have to do those invasive pat downs too I may just quit flying.

[BannonsLiver]

35. I get patted down even after being in one of those

Guys with back hair of any degree of thickness generally do because it shows up on the machine. Mine isn't out of control but it's enough to register.

[davsand]

19. Without a speculum I'm not sure how much more intense it can get.

I swear to gawd, I had a pat down on a domestic flight that was about as "personal" as it could get. I actually told the screener that my boobs hadn't been squeezed like that since my last mammogram. She was not amused. If that ever happens again I think I'll make honking noises or fart as somebody else suggested. I like the mental image of us all suffering together during that screening. Along that same thought process, when I have to remove my shoes I make it a point to ask who they pissed off to get stuck on shoe duty. That usually is met with a similar lack of enthusiasm.

They made my 19 year old take her ponytail out too. When she asked them why, they said she might have a weapon hidden in her hair. Other than a garrote, I'm not sure what would fit--but hey--they are the experts--right? At least they spared her the hard core grope, but I'm dead serious when I say I think her greek letters on her t-shirt made her less of a "suspect." Maybe nest time I'll wear my Sorority mom t-shirt rather than a tie dye. Do ya suppose that'd help any?



Laura

[NotThisTime]

22. Yeh, that was like 2 pat downs ago, I was PISSED. I think I made a couple of not so well received

comments.... I'm not sure the sorority t-shirt will help. Just wear something completely non existent under a jacket, take the jacket off if you have to. My daughter thankfully has never been pulled out thank god, if this happened to her she'd literally freak out (also 19). She flies in Australia, (the South Pacific and Asia on Holiday's), she never has a problem. If she comes back, dear god I can't imagine this happening to her. She'd probably be in therapy.

[DFW]

23. Don't forget to fill out the head removal waiver application form (about 2/3 through):

[sarcasmo]

24. If I ever fly again I'M wearing a speedo.

[samnsara]

27. i would suggest...

..get a KTN..a known traveler number. You can get it for cheap and a few questions and fingerprint. TSA kinda waves you through....(OR carry a Golden Retriever puppy.. worked for me!)

[NotThisTime]

31. Maybe I should make time for it, it's free for me, I just haven't had the time...

Best make the time huh? Damn... that's like 3 hours out of the day to get there, interview and get back. I think the regular cost was 85.00 or something like that, I don't remember, but even so, American's who don't have it shouldn't have to go through this. I'll look into making an appointment.

[unitedwethrive]

34. Doesn't help for most international flights.

[NotThisTime]

39. That would be a problem then, the only thing that seemingly helps is first class, you get your own

concierge, typically they just bring you through with little trouble. That gets very pricey traveling overseas.

[HockeyMom]

28. My husband has 2 hip replacements

and cannot go through the machines, Pat downs. What will he have to go through now? I have an Enhanced DL and go on Security Lines with Flight Crew. No pat downs, taking off coats or shoes, lap top out of bags. You cannot imagine how fast this special security line is, including at airports like JFK.

Get a US Passport even for Domestic Flights, if you can afford one. We are now in a Papers, Citizen, society.

[samnsara]

29. well then the scanners better be guaranteed to be 100% safe!

[NotThisTime]

32. They don't even scan the damn cargo... If you wanted to blow a plane up, that's the way to do it

[pansypoo53219]

33. how trumptastic.

[BannonsLiver]

36. I think they had already been more aggressive

Last Saturday I had one of these mooks put his fingers down my pants about an inch away from my business. Never had that before. I always have some pithy comment afterward. This time it was "damn I need a cigarette after that."

Whatever I can do to make them uncomfortable.

[NotThisTime]

40. Shit, the bikini is in order, thanks for the update. I agree, whatever makes them uncomfortable, I

don't give a damn and I don't particularly give a damn if I make a scene.