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kpete

(71,984 posts)
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 09:44 AM Mar 2017

Bannon & Miller have let it slip: it's about population/demographic reshaping, not counterterrorism




In leaked document, the case for Trump’s ‘Muslim ban’ takes another huge hit


Here’s the real reason for the delay:
The Trump administration can’t solve the problem that has always bedeviled this policy, which is that there isn’t any credible national security rationale for it. Unlike on the campaign trail, when you’re governing, you actually have to have justification for what you’re proposing, or you often run into trouble.

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As I have reported, the evidence is mounting that Bannon and Miller view the ban as part of a much broader, long-term demographic-reshaping project. Miller let slip in a recent interview that the ban isn’t just about national security, but also about protecting U.S. workers from foreign competition. And the Los Angeles Times reports that Bannon and Miller have privately argued that the ban is in keeping with the need to combat immigration by people who “will not assimilate”:

Inside the West Wing, the two men have pushed an ominous view of refugee and immigration flows, telling other policymakers that if large numbers of Muslims are allowed to enter the U.S., parts of American cities will begin to replicate marginalized immigrant neighborhoods in France, Germany and Belgium that have been home to plotters of terrorist attacks in recent years, according to a White House aide familiar with the discussions.

Thus, the ban is of a piece with the long-term goals of protecting American workers from economic competition and preventing European-style immigrant communities (which incubate terror plotters) from developing here. Bannon and Miller could argue that these arguments are partly about national security, too. But this is a case that centers on long-term demographics. That does not support the administration’s case for the immediate ban, since DHS has concluded that “extreme vetting” can’t screen out the threat of radicalization later. If anything, those larger motives undermine the case for the ban, by throwing its stated short-term motive into doubt.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/03/03/in-leaked-document-the-case-for-trumps-muslim-ban-takes-another-huge-hit/?utm_term=.2092c3fabeb6
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Bannon & Miller have let it slip: it's about population/demographic reshaping, not counterterrorism (Original Post) kpete Mar 2017 OP
One problem... Zoonart Mar 2017 #1
Another problem DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #2
Sadly, I agree... Zoonart Mar 2017 #3
I'm pretty sure that's what they have in mind....nt 2naSalit Mar 2017 #15
If they make it uncomfortable enough for minorities NewJeffCT Mar 2017 #17
That appears to be where this is heading. mountain grammy Mar 2017 #18
California already minority white & doing well; better than Kansas. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #27
Let's see how much they care about immigration... DetlefK Mar 2017 #4
You're talking about his base! atreides1 Mar 2017 #29
I'm so grateful for people who "will not assimilate." klook Mar 2017 #5
Why would you want to "assimilate" when quintessential American "culture" appears like this Jonny Appleseed Mar 2017 #6
Bannon's ideal specimen of the master race. dalton99a Mar 2017 #9
Yes, speaking of "failure to assimilate" . . . . hatrack Mar 2017 #11
nice post kpete Mar 2017 #19
Indeed! mountain grammy Mar 2017 #21
Maybe "quintessential American culture" looks like that in your neighborhood, whathehell Mar 2017 #24
Excluding African-American culture, this is pretty much our most prevalent culture that is uniquely Jonny Appleseed Mar 2017 #32
Sorry, but unthinking nationalism and stupidity are NOT traits limited to America whathehell Mar 2017 #33
This is what Trumpers are promoting as "Real Americans!" Welcome to DU Maru Kitteh Mar 2017 #31
They are text book racist uponit7771 Mar 2017 #7
If only they could read ..... OnDoutside Mar 2017 #28
Bannon is arguably the scariest person Trump has hired to date. Initech Mar 2017 #8
In a Politico article on Stephen Miller, octoberlib Mar 2017 #10
To the Deplorables, this isn't a system bug Mr. Ected Mar 2017 #12
I assume it is the same concept for Mexicans world wide wally Mar 2017 #13
Absolutely BainsBane Mar 2017 #14
Yup. We all know it really was about Making America White Again. AgadorSparticus Mar 2017 #16
It is about maintaining a numerical advantage at the poll booths usaf-vet Mar 2017 #30
What it is: Ethnic cleansing Loge23 Mar 2017 #20
Exactly! mountain grammy Mar 2017 #22
Indeed ck4829 Mar 2017 #25
"Ethnic cleansing", as the word is commonly used, refers to genocide. whathehell Mar 2017 #34
KNR Lucinda Mar 2017 #23
The R Has Long Stood for Racist dlk Mar 2017 #26
K&R Solly Mack Mar 2017 #35
I remember before the election hearing a Trump supporter say we need to get back to white Amaryllis Mar 2017 #36
I mentioned this reptilian fear nilesobek Mar 2017 #37

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
2. Another problem
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 09:49 AM
Mar 2017

Another problem is even if all immigration is halted we are on our way to being a majority-minority country.

Maybe Thump, Bannon, and Miller are working on a Final Solution 2.0

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
17. If they make it uncomfortable enough for minorities
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 11:34 AM
Mar 2017

maybe some will go back to Mexico, central America, Asia, Africa, etc? While this is just anecdotal, I do know a few highly educated people from China that came here to get another master's degree or doctorate that normally would have stayed in the US, but went back to China because Team Bush had put the kibosh on stem cell research. I can only imagine that will become more common under Trump - if persons from overseas even apply to US colleges anymore for fear of not being able to get into the country.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
27. California already minority white & doing well; better than Kansas.
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 12:02 PM
Mar 2017

It seems to me that the determining factor for success is Democratic / progressive / liberal policies rather than race. Anyway, race is a murky concept at best and one that scientists have abandoned.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
4. Let's see how much they care about immigration...
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 09:51 AM
Mar 2017

...once the promised jobs don't materialize, once the eroding infrastructure stays bad, once doctors keep refusing to move to rural areas, once they lose their health-care, once the anti-swamp President passes a bigly tax-cut for Wall Street.

atreides1

(16,072 posts)
29. You're talking about his base!
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 12:27 PM
Mar 2017

Those people will standby and watch grandma die in excruciating pain and will still remain loyal to Trump and the Republicans! There is nothing that Trumpublicans can do, that will get their Walking Dead followers to turn against them!

klook

(12,154 posts)
5. I'm so grateful for people who "will not assimilate."
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 09:54 AM
Mar 2017

Without them America would be a quilt where every patch is beige.

 

Jonny Appleseed

(960 posts)
6. Why would you want to "assimilate" when quintessential American "culture" appears like this
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 10:03 AM
Mar 2017


Who would willingly embrace a culture of heart disease and illiteracy?

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
24. Maybe "quintessential American culture" looks like that in your neighborhood,
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 11:49 AM
Mar 2017

but not in mine. I extend my condolences, if this is the case, but please don't. broadbrush our entire society in such a negative light.




 

Jonny Appleseed

(960 posts)
32. Excluding African-American culture, this is pretty much our most prevalent culture that is uniquely
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 12:54 PM
Mar 2017

American. Everything else is a hodgepodge of different cultures mixed together. The 'murca culture is the primarily associated culture with our country to those overseas, a reflection of its overt association with America at large.

Which leads back to my original point that no immigrant in their right mind would want to "assimilate" into said American culture.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
33. Sorry, but unthinking nationalism and stupidity are NOT traits limited to America
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 01:25 PM
Mar 2017

Maybe if you had traveled outside the country as much as I have, you'd realize that. And no, as I said, American culture may be hillbilly heaven in your area but not in any of the varied neighborhoods on the east and west coasts or the Midwest, I've lived in.

If American culture is an "hodgepodge of other cultures" it just might have something to do with its being a millennium or two YOUNGER than the originating countries of the cultures to which you refer.

That being the case, I'll take it over the monarchies and theocracies of the middle east any day, and I'm quite sure you would too.





octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
10. In a Politico article on Stephen Miller,
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 10:28 AM
Mar 2017

Miller's friend said that he used to talk about having nightmares that every state in the union had turned blue due to all the immigrants, who tend to vote Dem. White men overwhelmingly vote Republican. So, part of this is about keeping the Republican Party in power and relevant.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
12. To the Deplorables, this isn't a system bug
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 10:47 AM
Mar 2017

It's a feature.

(not that they understand a word of it, though. Sounds kind of book-ey and elitist, way beyond their pay grade)

world wide wally

(21,740 posts)
13. I assume it is the same concept for Mexicans
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 10:54 AM
Mar 2017

But, when was the last terrorist attack on the US launched by Mexicans?

usaf-vet

(6,181 posts)
30. It is about maintaining a numerical advantage at the poll booths
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 12:45 PM
Mar 2017

Look at what they have done over the last 10 years. Voter suppression any way they can. Voter ID. Purging voters off the rolls. Gerrymandering districts to insure republican voting advantages. Flipping votes. And now apparently getting foreign hacking to advantage the republican ticket.

IMO these are a must read. And it explains why republicans are winning elective seats. Efficiency Gap.

Efficiency Gap.
https://thinkprogress.org/the-most-exciting-attack-on-partisan-gerrymandering-in-over-a-decade-68ae8b6b2e5e#.vcc2fblov
SCOTUS
http://electionlawblog.org/?p=91462
http://electionlawblog.org/?p=90844
http://electionlawblog.org/?p=89402 (Wisconsin's SCOTUS case is coming up.)

Loge23

(3,922 posts)
20. What it is: Ethnic cleansing
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 11:37 AM
Mar 2017

Call it what it is. These bastards, Bannon chiefly, should be run out of town on a rail, never to be seen again.
They are as truly anti-American as our worst fears during the Cold War when we used hide under our school desks.
The more this goes on, the less chance I see for a reasonable end to this plague.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
34. "Ethnic cleansing", as the word is commonly used, refers to genocide.
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 01:48 PM
Mar 2017

This is discrimination, not murder...Let's not make it worse than it is.

dlk

(11,549 posts)
26. The R Has Long Stood for Racist
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 12:00 PM
Mar 2017

What were seeing is the logical evolution of the Republican Party's racism. Voter suppression was only the beginning. They stopped being the party of Lincoln a very long time ago.

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
36. I remember before the election hearing a Trump supporter say we need to get back to white
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 04:50 PM
Mar 2017

and Christian, the way the country was at the beginning. Apparently never heard of native Americans.

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
37. I mentioned this reptilian fear
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 02:27 AM
Mar 2017

that whites have for the future demographic in another thread about conservative fears. They think that they will be discriminated just as the have done to others.

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