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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBannon & Miller have let it slip: it's about population/demographic reshaping, not counterterrorism
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In leaked document, the case for Trumps Muslim ban takes another huge hit
Heres the real reason for the delay: The Trump administration cant solve the problem that has always bedeviled this policy, which is that there isnt any credible national security rationale for it. Unlike on the campaign trail, when youre governing, you actually have to have justification for what youre proposing, or you often run into trouble.
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As I have reported, the evidence is mounting that Bannon and Miller view the ban as part of a much broader, long-term demographic-reshaping project. Miller let slip in a recent interview that the ban isnt just about national security, but also about protecting U.S. workers from foreign competition. And the Los Angeles Times reports that Bannon and Miller have privately argued that the ban is in keeping with the need to combat immigration by people who will not assimilate:
Inside the West Wing, the two men have pushed an ominous view of refugee and immigration flows, telling other policymakers that if large numbers of Muslims are allowed to enter the U.S., parts of American cities will begin to replicate marginalized immigrant neighborhoods in France, Germany and Belgium that have been home to plotters of terrorist attacks in recent years, according to a White House aide familiar with the discussions.
Thus, the ban is of a piece with the long-term goals of protecting American workers from economic competition and preventing European-style immigrant communities (which incubate terror plotters) from developing here. Bannon and Miller could argue that these arguments are partly about national security, too. But this is a case that centers on long-term demographics. That does not support the administrations case for the immediate ban, since DHS has concluded that extreme vetting cant screen out the threat of radicalization later. If anything, those larger motives undermine the case for the ban, by throwing its stated short-term motive into doubt.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/03/03/in-leaked-document-the-case-for-trumps-muslim-ban-takes-another-huge-hit/?utm_term=.2092c3fabeb6
Zoonart
(11,849 posts)their base approves of this shit.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Another problem is even if all immigration is halted we are on our way to being a majority-minority country.
Maybe Thump, Bannon, and Miller are working on a Final Solution 2.0
Zoonart
(11,849 posts)they are sick enough to go there.
2naSalit
(86,534 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)maybe some will go back to Mexico, central America, Asia, Africa, etc? While this is just anecdotal, I do know a few highly educated people from China that came here to get another master's degree or doctorate that normally would have stayed in the US, but went back to China because Team Bush had put the kibosh on stem cell research. I can only imagine that will become more common under Trump - if persons from overseas even apply to US colleges anymore for fear of not being able to get into the country.
mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)It seems to me that the determining factor for success is Democratic / progressive / liberal policies rather than race. Anyway, race is a murky concept at best and one that scientists have abandoned.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)...once the promised jobs don't materialize, once the eroding infrastructure stays bad, once doctors keep refusing to move to rural areas, once they lose their health-care, once the anti-swamp President passes a bigly tax-cut for Wall Street.
atreides1
(16,072 posts)Those people will standby and watch grandma die in excruciating pain and will still remain loyal to Trump and the Republicans! There is nothing that Trumpublicans can do, that will get their Walking Dead followers to turn against them!
klook
(12,154 posts)Without them America would be a quilt where every patch is beige.
Jonny Appleseed
(960 posts)Who would willingly embrace a culture of heart disease and illiteracy?
dalton99a
(81,450 posts)hatrack
(59,583 posts)kpete
(71,984 posts)Thanks,
kp
mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)but not in mine. I extend my condolences, if this is the case, but please don't. broadbrush our entire society in such a negative light.
Jonny Appleseed
(960 posts)American. Everything else is a hodgepodge of different cultures mixed together. The 'murca culture is the primarily associated culture with our country to those overseas, a reflection of its overt association with America at large.
Which leads back to my original point that no immigrant in their right mind would want to "assimilate" into said American culture.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Maybe if you had traveled outside the country as much as I have, you'd realize that. And no, as I said, American culture may be hillbilly heaven in your area but not in any of the varied neighborhoods on the east and west coasts or the Midwest, I've lived in.
If American culture is an "hodgepodge of other cultures" it just might have something to do with its being a millennium or two YOUNGER than the originating countries of the cultures to which you refer.
That being the case, I'll take it over the monarchies and theocracies of the middle east any day, and I'm quite sure you would too.
Maru Kitteh
(28,339 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)Initech
(100,063 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Miller's friend said that he used to talk about having nightmares that every state in the union had turned blue due to all the immigrants, who tend to vote Dem. White men overwhelmingly vote Republican. So, part of this is about keeping the Republican Party in power and relevant.
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)It's a feature.
(not that they understand a word of it, though. Sounds kind of book-ey and elitist, way beyond their pay grade)
world wide wally
(21,740 posts)But, when was the last terrorist attack on the US launched by Mexicans?
BainsBane
(53,031 posts)AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)usaf-vet
(6,181 posts)Look at what they have done over the last 10 years. Voter suppression any way they can. Voter ID. Purging voters off the rolls. Gerrymandering districts to insure republican voting advantages. Flipping votes. And now apparently getting foreign hacking to advantage the republican ticket.
IMO these are a must read. And it explains why republicans are winning elective seats. Efficiency Gap.
Efficiency Gap.
https://thinkprogress.org/the-most-exciting-attack-on-partisan-gerrymandering-in-over-a-decade-68ae8b6b2e5e#.vcc2fblov
SCOTUS
http://electionlawblog.org/?p=91462
http://electionlawblog.org/?p=90844
http://electionlawblog.org/?p=89402 (Wisconsin's SCOTUS case is coming up.)
Loge23
(3,922 posts)Call it what it is. These bastards, Bannon chiefly, should be run out of town on a rail, never to be seen again.
They are as truly anti-American as our worst fears during the Cold War when we used hide under our school desks.
The more this goes on, the less chance I see for a reasonable end to this plague.
mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)This is discrimination, not murder...Let's not make it worse than it is.
dlk
(11,549 posts)What were seeing is the logical evolution of the Republican Party's racism. Voter suppression was only the beginning. They stopped being the party of Lincoln a very long time ago.
(Duh)
Amaryllis
(9,524 posts)and Christian, the way the country was at the beginning. Apparently never heard of native Americans.
nilesobek
(1,423 posts)that whites have for the future demographic in another thread about conservative fears. They think that they will be discriminated just as the have done to others.