Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 12:06 PM Mar 2017

How Intelligence Monitoring Really Works - It's Not How Trump Thinks

So, if the government is interested in communications between two points, and one of those points is controlled by a U.S. citizen, it's very difficult to monitor the devices owned by that citizen legally. However, it's not so difficult to get a warrant to monitor the other end, if that device is not owned by a U.S. citizen.

So, if you want to see if the U.S. citizen is communicating with a non-citizen, you tap the phone or intercept the IP address owned by the non-citizen. That way, you are not violating the privacy rights of the US citizen. If that US citizen is communicating with the non-citizen's device that is a voluntary choice. You are monitoring the non-citizen connection, not the US connection.

So, for example, if there is a computer in some place in the US, say at Trump Tower, exchanging financial transactions, say with a bank in Cyprus, you don't monitor the IP address of the US-based computer. Instead, you monitor the IP address of the computer in Cyprus. If, by chance, you see illegal transactions from a US-based computer, that's OK, and that information is usable.

That's how this whole FISA thing works. You get a warrant to monitor communications to and from the computer or phone on the other end of the conversation, the end not owned by a U.S. citizen or not in this country. If someone here is doing something illegal with someone there, you might see that. But you aren't seeing any other communications from the US citizen. You're just seeing the ones with the monitored device.

That's how that works.

3 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
How Intelligence Monitoring Really Works - It's Not How Trump Thinks (Original Post) MineralMan Mar 2017 OP
Thanks MM Zoonart Mar 2017 #1
You're welcome to send it anywhere you like. MineralMan Mar 2017 #2
Bump for Title Change MineralMan Mar 2017 #3

Zoonart

(11,845 posts)
1. Thanks MM
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 12:10 PM
Mar 2017

I was at an opening yesterday afternoon and there were a lot of like minded folks discussing the FISA issue and many of them did not know how this works. I am going to send this post around if it's okay by you.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
2. You're welcome to send it anywhere you like.
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 12:12 PM
Mar 2017

The 4th Amendment covers this, really. U.S. citizens have protections under that Amendment. Foreign entities do not. So, if you're interested in communications between U.S. citizens and a particular foreign entity, you simply monitor the foreign entity.

It may seem to be a fine point, but it's really not, in a legal sense. You're only seeing whatever communications that exist with the monitored foreign entity.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»How Intelligence Monitori...