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Trump now goes after a hero's dad: (Original Post) Kingofalldems Mar 2017 OP
How F'g low!!! True Dough Mar 2017 #1
Whether they intend it thus or not, this looks like vengeance for daring to criticize the dictator. tblue37 Mar 2017 #65
What are "Travel privileges"? AJT Mar 2017 #2
I think it means that he might have problems trying to return to the US. George II Mar 2017 #21
Khizr Khan is an American Citizen ... aggiesal Mar 2017 #47
I kind of wish he would go--and then, if stopped when returning--sue. It would be a tblue37 Mar 2017 #68
I was thinking the very same thing. Go up there, give your speech, and try to come home. George II Mar 2017 #70
True, but it's a whole new world out there with trump pulling the strings. George II Mar 2017 #69
Only in Cheetolini's mind is this a whole new world ... aggiesal Mar 2017 #72
I am a white woman with dual citizenship.... usedtobedemgurl Mar 2017 #25
Yeah, it sucks that even white people with dual Doreen Mar 2017 #30
Only whites that support him. usedtobedemgurl Mar 2017 #31
Yeah, if you are white and politically active on the Doreen Mar 2017 #32
Not sure how to fight it if they do not let me back in. usedtobedemgurl Mar 2017 #40
At this point a lot of immigration lawyers are doing pro bono. Doreen Mar 2017 #49
I just have no faith that Trump usedtobedemgurl Mar 2017 #50
Yeah, there are other people born in other countries and Doreen Mar 2017 #52
That, sadly, has crossed my mind...... usedtobedemgurl Mar 2017 #54
Most of MY family still lives in N. Brunswick. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #39
Well at least you have family there. usedtobedemgurl Mar 2017 #42
We know what the weather is like for the 7 months of winter. (partial joke) guillaumeb Mar 2017 #43
No joke at all..... usedtobedemgurl Mar 2017 #45
My wife asked one time how much snow generally falls in my home area. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #48
lol...... usedtobedemgurl Mar 2017 #51
They asked NamesDave Mar 2017 #57
Really? Why? Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 #73
working on getting irish dual citizenship. mopinko Mar 2017 #58
I really wouldn't want to piss off Mr. Khan. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2017 #3
I really hope the ACLU sues this outrageous administration still_one Mar 2017 #4
WTF. He is a U.S. citizen. dalton99a Mar 2017 #5
+1000 Freethinker65 Mar 2017 #7
Jesus Wept. spanone Mar 2017 #6
But this particular Gold Star family member is non-white. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #41
Has this been verified anywhere else? AJT Mar 2017 #8
From CTV: Kingofalldems Mar 2017 #11
I can't find this on CTV website. AJT Mar 2017 #14
Right now this is the only source. Kingofalldems Mar 2017 #15
Lots of people are concerned there is no source to this besides Mr. Kahn. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2017 #80
This madness has to stop. gademocrat7 Mar 2017 #9
You will prevail Mr Khan! The Scum in Chief is despised by most of the world, this will not stand. BeckyDem Mar 2017 #10
Only provides more evidence of what a mean/spirited, vindictive, bigoted little prick Trumpler is! ElementaryPenguin Mar 2017 #12
republicans can either stand up as Americans now Achilleaze Mar 2017 #13
Nah. They'll wait until the last moment (cramming their agenda through all the while) C Moon Mar 2017 #22
They have no shame. None. nt tblue37 Mar 2017 #67
Coverage from The Week here: TygrBright Mar 2017 #16
Excuse me? "Travel privileges?" neeksgeek Mar 2017 #17
Papers, please! longship Mar 2017 #20
Just a reminder: no bar too low .. ananda Mar 2017 #18
Unbelievably stupid. Well, Mr. Khan is glad to serve Hortensis Mar 2017 #19
The man is an American citizen! kimbutgar Mar 2017 #23
How can anyone think this is okay? It's as though he's daring anyone to stop him. nolabear Mar 2017 #24
This won't end well for Trump get the red out Mar 2017 #26
Ends just fine, thank you. Until and unless a republican in power becomes a patriot, fuckface Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #29
I wonder, do you think the ass in the WH will cause the political pendulum in the US to RKP5637 Mar 2017 #38
Who knows with these folks. If only all of us voted, no republican would ever win the WH again Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #61
This despicable administration is made up of deplorables malaise Mar 2017 #27
Fascists are in charge. Half the country loves this. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #28
I honestly defacto7 Mar 2017 #33
tRump the petulant prezzz. nt Javaman Mar 2017 #34
Might Serve the Purpose of Chilling the Opposition TomCADem Mar 2017 #35
I wonder if this can be traced back to the WH? Kingofalldems Mar 2017 #36
WTF? JHan Mar 2017 #37
Does this mean that Melania cannot travel overseas with the orange turd ? Trust Buster Mar 2017 #44
LINK.... spanone Mar 2017 #46
shows how petty and nasty trump is, if true Kimchijeon Mar 2017 #53
I'd like to post this on my Facebook wall tparrett62 Mar 2017 #55
Yahoo Kingofalldems Mar 2017 #56
Why are you surprised? oldcynic Mar 2017 #59
Bunch of lame motherfuckers. Khan is an American citizen. DinahMoeHum Mar 2017 #60
This is really serious. Khan should have gone and made the speech, and forced their hand. TrollBuster9090 Mar 2017 #62
Vicious, Vindictive, Vile, Vitupertive, Deflecting Cha Mar 2017 #63
Like medical care, travel is now a privilege and not a right LiberalLovinLug Mar 2017 #64
Meanwhile, Uday and Qusay Drumpf travel "freely" Fritz Walter Mar 2017 #66
Unfuckingbelievable. What a travesty. Sculpin Beauregard Mar 2017 #71
Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #74
Trump is so damn filthy...how can his wife stand him onecent Mar 2017 #75
Sounds fishy Beakybird Mar 2017 #76
A Dreamer was picked up by ICE after publicly Blue_true Mar 2017 #77
+1 COLGATE4 Mar 2017 #78
I expected nothing less from the draft dodging traitor. Mc Mike Mar 2017 #79
I wish that he would have gone anyway! BlueMTexpat Mar 2017 #81

tblue37

(65,335 posts)
65. Whether they intend it thus or not, this looks like vengeance for daring to criticize the dictator.
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 05:18 PM
Mar 2017

AJT

(5,240 posts)
2. What are "Travel privileges"?
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 02:38 PM
Mar 2017

Does that mean an American citizen is not allowed to leave the US to go to Canada, or an American citizen won't be allowed back in?

aggiesal

(8,911 posts)
47. Khizr Khan is an American Citizen ...
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 04:25 PM
Mar 2017

why should he have any problems trying to return to the US?

And what are "Travel Privileges"?
We should be able to travel to any country, assuming we are allowed
in that country, but as American Citizens, we should be able to return
to our home country, embassy, consulate ... without any issues.

This is not the America I grew up in!!!

tblue37

(65,335 posts)
68. I kind of wish he would go--and then, if stopped when returning--sue. It would be a
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 05:25 PM
Mar 2017

a perfect test case, and no way a court would let it stand. Messing with him would totally destroy Cheato's whole racist/anti-Muslim travel ban effort.

George II

(67,782 posts)
70. I was thinking the very same thing. Go up there, give your speech, and try to come home.
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 06:26 PM
Mar 2017

At worst he would spend a few extra days in Toronto (not a bad place to be stranded!) while the stumbling bumbling administration tries to explain what's going on.

Then SUE!

usedtobedemgurl

(1,137 posts)
25. I am a white woman with dual citizenship....
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 03:47 PM
Mar 2017

and I am afraid to visit my home in Canada in case I am considered subversive for protesting Trump and I cannot get back in to my house, dogs, kids, etc......

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
30. Yeah, it sucks that even white people with dual
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 03:56 PM
Mar 2017

citizenship have to worry. I am in no way saying it alright to do it to anybody of any color or religion but I was under the impression that whites were the dictators wet dream.

usedtobedemgurl

(1,137 posts)
31. Only whites that support him.
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 03:58 PM
Mar 2017

I am supposed to take a cruise later this year and I am so nervous about it. If it were not already paid I am sure I would not go at all. I love my home and do not want to be locked out.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
32. Yeah, if you are white and politically active on the
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 04:03 PM
Mar 2017

Democrat side you have a lot to worry about. If you are not political you might not have to worry.

usedtobedemgurl

(1,137 posts)
40. Not sure how to fight it if they do not let me back in.
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 04:17 PM
Mar 2017

I do not have the money to hole up in a hotel for months and hire a lawyer to get me rightfully back in. I was born in a US territory.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
49. At this point a lot of immigration lawyers are doing pro bono.
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 04:26 PM
Mar 2017

Being born on a US territory probably means you are safe. If you were born ANYWHERE ELSE you could very likely have problems if you are a dual citizen.

usedtobedemgurl

(1,137 posts)
50. I just have no faith that Trump
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 04:34 PM
Mar 2017

will not try to get every avenue of vengeance he can on anyone who has protested on him. Look at what he is doing to Khan. I understand Khan was not born here but he is a citizen.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
52. Yeah, there are other people born in other countries and
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 04:40 PM
Mar 2017

have been here for 30-40 years as a dual citizen and had to go back to their country. I do not trust him either. I am even concerned he may at some point not allow citizens of this country leave.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
39. Most of MY family still lives in N. Brunswick.
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 04:17 PM
Mar 2017

I also have marched against Trump. And written numerous letters to the Editor.

Well, if we are not allowed back in, I will qualify again for health coverage and in my home area my pension will support us quite nicely.

usedtobedemgurl

(1,137 posts)
42. Well at least you have family there.
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 04:19 PM
Mar 2017

In Newfoundland my family has all died off. And I have my home, boyfriend, dogs, house, etc...my son is not legal age to be on his own.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
48. My wife asked one time how much snow generally falls in my home area.
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 04:26 PM
Mar 2017

I told her that the snow pack would generally be about 2 meters deep, sometimes higher. She thought I was kidding until she googled the average snowfall for our area.

usedtobedemgurl

(1,137 posts)
51. lol......
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 04:35 PM
Mar 2017

You have to live in the Atlantic provinces to truly appreciate the amount of snowfall. At one point I sent a pic to a friend while I was back home visiting. He thought it was crazy that it was snowing in May. Gosh I miss the snow.

mopinko

(70,085 posts)
58. working on getting irish dual citizenship.
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 05:02 PM
Mar 2017

was told at the irish heritage center, where i was doing a little research, that lllloooooottts of people are applying.

i figure this puts me on the list.
i dont give a fug.

i do hope to visit in the next couple of years, before my alimony runs out. lol.

not sure i want to show my face in the rest of the world till we have scrubbed this stain away, tho.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,731 posts)
3. I really wouldn't want to piss off Mr. Khan.
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 02:38 PM
Mar 2017

One of the most eloquent men I've ever heard and who has righteous anger as his raison d'etre.

spanone

(135,826 posts)
6. Jesus Wept.
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 02:39 PM
Mar 2017

the racist so-called president treated this Gold Star father like shit during his campaign too.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
41. But this particular Gold Star family member is non-white.
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 04:18 PM
Mar 2017

So he is an acceptable target for Trump and Trump followers.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
80. Lots of people are concerned there is no source to this besides Mr. Kahn.
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 09:27 PM
Mar 2017

and that no one knows WHO notified him, since that is an unusual step, telling someone apparently days before their trip
they no longer have "traveling privileges".

One would think Mr. Khan would want to warn others about who gave him the message.


ElementaryPenguin

(7,800 posts)
12. Only provides more evidence of what a mean/spirited, vindictive, bigoted little prick Trumpler is!
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 02:49 PM
Mar 2017

Which he managed to confirm to the world every single day!!

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
13. republicans can either stand up as Americans now
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 02:56 PM
Mar 2017

or forever hang their heads in deserved shame that they meekly ASSUMED THE POSITION for their Draft-&-Tax-Dodger-in-Chief, Comrade Casino, and his PISSING on the Constitution with imposition of malevolent Russian-style Facism on the USA.

C Moon

(12,212 posts)
22. Nah. They'll wait until the last moment (cramming their agenda through all the while)
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 03:25 PM
Mar 2017

and then come out smelling like roses when they impeach him.

neeksgeek

(1,214 posts)
17. Excuse me? "Travel privileges?"
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 03:08 PM
Mar 2017

Since when do American citizens need the permission of the Federal Government to travel?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. Unbelievably stupid. Well, Mr. Khan is glad to serve
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 03:09 PM
Mar 2017

his nation, and this is another opportunity. It will blow back on the 45th, of course, if they don't rush to undo it.

kimbutgar

(21,130 posts)
23. The man is an American citizen!
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 03:34 PM
Mar 2017

He gave the ultimate sacrifice to the country his son.

Another reason I vehemently dislike and think chump is an evil cretin.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
24. How can anyone think this is okay? It's as though he's daring anyone to stop him.
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 03:40 PM
Mar 2017

Mr. Khan wasn't on anyone's radar except that he was brought up as a counterpoint to Ryan's widow. Doing this underscores every disgusted feeling people have about that man and flings shit at military personnel and Gold Star families.

This administration is a study in how much a country will put up with, and I'm frankly both shocked and fascinated.

get the red out

(13,461 posts)
26. This won't end well for Trump
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 03:47 PM
Mar 2017

The idiot in chief is really looking Putin-esque in taking revenge on a gold star family. The fact that he cannot ever let any criticism rest should be a mental health red flag for anyone.

And he's a completely psychopathic asshole.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
29. Ends just fine, thank you. Until and unless a republican in power becomes a patriot, fuckface
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 03:53 PM
Mar 2017

gets to destroy lives by the millions.

Not just one at a time anymore either.

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
38. I wonder, do you think the ass in the WH will cause the political pendulum in the US to
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 04:16 PM
Mar 2017

finally swing to the left! I hope so. I just can't believe this ass Trump is what the majority of Americans want and he has clearly set an example of what many republicans are like.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
61. Who knows with these folks. If only all of us voted, no republican would ever win the WH again
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 05:12 PM
Mar 2017

and the house and senate would be 85% democrats.

We have reaped what we have sewn.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
33. I honestly
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 04:03 PM
Mar 2017

don't thing the millitary will let DT get away with ridiculing fallen patriots or their families. His days are ... well... DT has no idea what he's stepped into.

spanone

(135,826 posts)
46. LINK....
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 04:24 PM
Mar 2017

Gold-star father Khizr Khan cancels Canada trip due to 'review of travel privileges'

The man who made global headlines when he rebuked Donald Trump's immigration rhetoric during the US election campaign has cancelled a speech in Toronto after he was reportedly told that his "travel privileges are being reviewed".

Khizr Khan was born in Pakistan but has been a US citizen for 30 years. He and his wife Ghazala took to the stage at the Democratic National Convention last year to describe the loss of their son, Humayun, who died in the Iraq War in 2004.

Sales of the US constitution spiked after he asked Trump if he had ever read it, and he accused the US president of having "sacrificed nothing and no one".

He also described how the "patriots" in Arlington Cemetery who died defending the US were of "all faiths, genders and ethnicities".


http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/gold-star-father-khizr-khan-cancels-canada-trip-due-review-travel-privileges-1610051

tparrett62

(268 posts)
55. I'd like to post this on my Facebook wall
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 04:50 PM
Mar 2017

But I'd really like to see a more widely-known source. Our side needs to be just as careful in not jumping on "Fake News" sites that confirm our fears about Trump.

I'm not saying the story isn't true, and if it is, it's horrifying. It would confirm EVERYTHING we worried about with these fascists. But I want more sourcing on it before I share it on my social media.

oldcynic

(385 posts)
59. Why are you surprised?
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 05:04 PM
Mar 2017

This was expected. It started the day the same percentage of Americans elected Richard Nixon. It not the poor that are always with us, it is the latent fascist who can be easily identified by their limited brain function. Fact, not fiction. Look it up. We have seen the enemy and he is us. Long live Pogo.

If there is a turd in the toilet, flush.

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
62. This is really serious. Khan should have gone and made the speech, and forced their hand.
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 05:16 PM
Mar 2017

If the Trump Administration yanked his passport so he couldn't leave the country, or refused to let him back in, you'd see an uprising like you've never seen before.

I honestly don't think the Trump Administration would dare.

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
66. Meanwhile, Uday and Qusay Drumpf travel "freely"
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 05:20 PM
Mar 2017

On our dime, paying for Secret Service protection!

To get even more emoluments from foreign countries and partners for the ShitGibbon!

Sculpin Beauregard

(1,046 posts)
71. Unfuckingbelievable. What a travesty.
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 07:34 PM
Mar 2017

I hope Citrus Hitler gets his comeuppance in the form of hard time for fucking treason. I'd like to see all his assets seized as well. That fucking freak Bannon can go fuck himself. And when their dictatorship of shit crumbles, I want them all mocked and ostracized for all eternity.

I hope Mr. Khan gets an army of pro-bono lawyers to fight this unconscionable garbage. What a fucking mess. God DAMN it.

Response to Kingofalldems (Original post)

Beakybird

(3,332 posts)
76. Sounds fishy
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 08:33 PM
Mar 2017

I hate Trump. I have admired Khan.

However, this doesn't add up. You can't stop an American citizen from traveling to Canada. There is no such thing as a travel privilege. It doesn't say who is reviewing his ability to travel. Khan offered "no comment."

My guess is that Khan received a prank phone call or email.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
77. A Dreamer was picked up by ICE after publicly
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 10:04 PM
Mar 2017

challenging Trump's deportation binge. I would doubt that particular Dreamer was selected by chance.

I can see Trump giving a secret order to his Nazis to harrass Mr. Khan if given an opportunity.

BlueMTexpat

(15,366 posts)
81. I wish that he would have gone anyway!
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 07:28 AM
Mar 2017

It would have had a LOT bigger impact if border officials had refused to let him return. After all, Mr. Khan has been a US citizen for over 30 years. So long as he has properly issued and currently valid travel documents, it would have been wholly unconstitutional NOT to let him leave OR return. We are NOT at war with Canada. Yet anyway.

In fact, if he has written proof from a civil servant that his travel privileges are "being reviewed" and it was on that basis that he forewent his speaking engagement, he could have a cause of action under constitutional torts against that civil servant (aka the Trump Administration).

Constitutional torts are violation of one's constitutional rights by a government servant. Constitutional tort actions are brought under 42 USCS § 1983 against government employees seeking damages for the violation of federal constitutional right, particularly those arising under the Fourteenth Amendment and the Bill of Rights.

42 USCS § 1983 reads as follows:

“Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the U.S. or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress, except that in any action brought against a judicial officer for an act or omission taken in such officer's judicial capacity, injunctive relief shall not be granted unless a declaratory decree was violated or declaratory relief was unavailable.”


https://definitions.uslegal.com/c/constitutional-tort/

"Freedom of movement" is governed by the Privileges and Immunities Clause of the US Constitution. Wiki gives a fairly comprehensive overview. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_under_United_States_law

Jump to the section on International Travel (Restrictions) to see that while the Presidential administration may deny or revoke passports for foreign policy or national security reasons at any time, the Secretary of State has historically in times of peace refused passports for one of two reasons, citizenship or loyalty, and criminal conduct or when the applicant was seeking to "escape the toils of law."

Unless any of these reasons can be applied AND meet the "red face" test - and it is clear in these circumstances that one cannot - denial of Mr. Khan's travel to Canada - or to return to the US - would have been unconstitutional.

I am a US citizen who is also a permanent resident of Switzerland and returned here from the US early in Feb. I plan to continue to travel back and forth as long as I have validly issued travel documents.

Woe to any ICE personnel or other Trump Admin flunky who tries to prevent me from doing so!

KNOW YOUR RIGHTS!!!!!


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