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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsKick me out if this offends you or breaks the rules. I'm not proud of America. I'm embarrassed.
I used to be proud of my country right up until the day President Obama left office.
I'm ashamed now. I don't know how to defend her.
I just listen to my friends from other countries criticize us and I don't know what to say.
Norbert9
(494 posts)elfin
(6,262 posts)BigDemVoter
(4,150 posts)I have never been so ashamed in my life.
Pussy Grabber's supporters have besmirched the honor of our entire country, and we can thank THEM.
We have ALL been made to look like a bunch of fucking redneck RUBES.
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)You want to be proud of them, but sometimes they let you down. You still love them anyhow and you work to get them back where you can feel proud them again.
Rex
(65,616 posts)When they detain Gold Star dads, so they can see his 'papers' we are no longer a Democracy.
See all those angry people at town halls and swamping Congress critters, know that they are angry too and they are from all walks of life and political parties.
None of us are proud. There is no rule against feeling human.
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)those get voted into such a high position of authority,
But take comfort in the truth that the majority of Americans said NO to our current dictator...
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)admitting that they likely made a mistake, all still hang on to him becoming less batshit crazy, but I doubt that will happen. A few more months of Trump craziness, along with the economy reflecting his policies, many of those starting to doubt Trump voters could likely have learned their lesson.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)newspapers, and others. There are a lot of discussions about just this topic. The consensus seems to be that we let him get elected, even if we didn't vote for him.
Therefore, we are all to blame.
This is why it matters that we do more than just vote...march and do things to tell the world, we do not accept.
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)The veil of their particular countries should help US citizens right the many wrongs by sharing with us how they had it done?
I assume we are held to a higher standard as a country leader in the world ,
the truth is, our country, as is theirs, is forever always in danger of a particular type of human infesting it's strain of horrors on the governed populations,
Race and or place of birth matters very little in helping to weed these particular Undesirable individuals out, since we are all the same species.....they blend in far too easily....
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)The people that put Trump in office and lied terribly about Obama and Hillary.
They are truly the Ugly Americans.
They are a pox on our nation.
tecelote
(5,122 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)MotorCityMan
(1,203 posts)I understand your feelings, and have felt the same since 2000. "God Bless the USA", I hear that shit and just think "Yes, PLEASE, we need it".
Fourth of July, I feel nothing, no pride at all.
trof
(54,256 posts)I won't say the pledge.
Wonder now why I ever did.
It's dumb.
I don't fly the flag on the 4th.
I'm not proud of my country any more.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)lpbk2713
(42,755 posts)Fasten your seat belt and expect almost anything.
kimbutgar
(21,137 posts)There is a song in the movie they sing callled,"America Fuk ya"! I feel like now saying "America is fuked now".
I agree my country is no longer for the people or by the people but now for the benefit of an insane man who wants to turn us into Russia. And when I hear a right winger say if you don't like it leave I tell them "no you leave you jerk, you're the traitor".
Ezior
(505 posts)I'm from one of the other countries, and I've criticized a lot of things about the US lately. I've criticized some things in the past, too (e.g. death penalty, elected judges, insansely long sentences, extreme religiosity, missing social safety net, police violence, etc.).
But that's NOT about you, or "us" from your POV. I know the internet, so I know a lot of US citizens, and I know there are a lot of great US citizens. And there are lots of great things about the country, too. You can be proud of those things and you should be proud! I still remember the pre-Trump era and I am confident that greatness will return.
Remember when someone criticizes the US today, it's probably because of Trump and the Republicans (Reputin-cans?). And the lovely people who voted Trump into office and are still proud of it. I don't understand how a human being can be that dumb. Maybe US schools are already very bad, and I fear for the worst now that Betsy takes care of them. Hopefully the failing Trump administration will teach some voters an important lesson.
Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)this administration, the GOP or those who supported and voted for them American. They have shut themselves out of reality and democracy and I'll be damned if I'll let them carry the banner of the United States.
There's a lot to be ashamed of, but that doesn't include the true democracy of our constitution's founders. Be ashamed of the traitors, not America.
randome
(34,845 posts)Not so much these days.
davsand
(13,421 posts)I honestly feel our country is better than this, and I feel this is not the America I was raised to believe in.
Having said that, I am extremely proud of the resistance I see growing every day, and I am also very proud of how people are coming together to defend what we feel is important. I am staggered at the way people are banding together, and I'm encouraged. In the words of Will McAvoy, "No, America is not the greatest country in the world. But is CAN be."
Stand strong and do your part to defend all that we hold dear. Raise your fist, scream, march, write letters and make the phone calls. Run for office yourself if you feel you can, volunteer for programs, VOTE--in EVERY election. The one thing that will make America great again is for us all to shoulder some of the hard work and responsibilities. Don't drop your eyes, don't look away in shame.
Regards!
Laura
Freedomofspeech
(4,223 posts)We are a country that loves it's guns more than our children...a country full of hate with a supposed president who is a swarmy, horrible despicable bully. I'm exhausted from all of this.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)I'm actually a closet Christian, but I dont want to be associated with these self righteous, bigoted ignorant assholes.
I'm exhausted too. I thought the election would be over and I would refocus. Now, it looks like we have at least 4 years of rapid fire speed balls of destruction. To even keep track of the worst stuff is very time consuming.
Freedomofspeech
(4,223 posts)I have (former) friends who never miss mass on Sunday but the have a closet full of guns and still have their trump sticker on their car. They make me want to puke.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)to be mentioned in every family email. He wears a red wrist band, actually a few of different colors. I asked him what it meant (I thought it was a sports thing), it was a Jesus thing.
He and his wife have open carry permits. They live in Texas; I don't. He carries a pistol in his briefcase, even though he has a smart, very curious 9 year old daughter. He has a lot of guns. I worry about my niece. She likes to pull me away and tell me her secrets. She mentioned someone having a gun at a party. Of course, I told her to leave immediately and call an adult. She also tells me what they say about me...hurtsher feelings. They basically think anyone but RWs are a threat to their daughter, and voting for Hillary or Obama is left wing crazy, un Christian.
Guess Im guilty, because that stuff makes me ashamed to
be.
I love my niece dearly, but bro has blocked my having a relationship with her.She would get their phone and call occasionally...and say, they are in the bedroom or something...but I got the message. I'm trying to get over it.
They didn't think my daughter's beautiful wedding was Christian. Lovely, large outdoor wedding. Lots of diversity. She's actually Methodist, but sees no need to wear neon signs. Married, kids, a doctor, but not Christian enough for them. It is the Dem thing. I don't like them, and they don't like me. The difference is RW are malicious, and we rarely are. DT has already exacerbated our family divides.
The hypocrisy drives me so crazy, all of the jesus and gun talk with a few laughs at someone's implied racist remark, just makes me sick. They are so dumb (even though both these guys and wives are corporate presidents), that they don't even know their remarks are racists, or maybe they do it to taunt me. Disrespectful, at the least. We even had a Palestinian Muslim at the dinner table. It is so awful to raise a little girl in that environment. When my child was growing up, we would leave and state the reason, for those sorts of remarks. Hopefully, someday the little girl will overcome it. For many of us, it never took anyway. I think I see it taking though, with all of the money and private schools.
Very odd that with very similar backgrounds, my brother, is totally opposite. He went one way, and I went the other. Some relatives, friends, and books influenced me, and others influenced him. Flumoxed
Sorry...got wound up.
Freedomofspeech
(4,223 posts)What I don't understand is this love affair with guns and this love affair with these heartless bastard republicans. I have totally banned is any interaction with any trump lover. My fellow travelers are good hearted, intelligent liberals.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Off into some RW other world of guns, jesus and money. Self righteous, aggressive, paranoid, and angry. My daughter tells me some are into the crazinest RW stuff on FB...alex jones, drudge .Actually, they all are, vocal or not. I never thought they were bigots, but now as they are more radicalized, I see that too. They used to be sort of normal Repubs, who even once voted for Obama. Now, with the rise of RW crazy nationalism, they are off the deep end. They are an example of what has happened to bring this country to the depths of ignorance. They don't send me their RW shit, as I made clear that it disgusts me. I'm disassociating. They aren't the people I once knew. Same with a few old friends. They devolved into another species. I have much more in common with my cat.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Their silence (while each day's passing means a bit less democracy) is traitorous. It's not only embarrassing, it's an existential threat. The fact that so many are so quiet in the face of this debacle (again, Republicans) is reprehensible and unforgivable.
It's not some "mistake" or screw-up. It's fucking fascism, and it's not going to get better or go away, until the perps are OUT. How that gets done while under one-party rule is anybody's guess.
Initech
(100,067 posts)And I remember my grandparents fought wars to keep a guy like Trump from gaining power in this world. And now Trump and Putin have taken over, and a wave of hate has been unleashed. It's getting scary.
Paladin
(28,254 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)that the country stands for. We need to get Democrats elected in special elections and retake Congress in 2018. If republicans don't impeach and remove Trump before 2018, they are dead ducks in midterms, that is one reason for hoping Trump stays on and bleed republicans out.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)There is nothing shameful about opposing Trump.
butdiduvote
(284 posts)I defended us in the past. I thought, sure, we had idiots, but the reasonable among us outnumbered them. Turns out I was so wrong. Don't come at me with a popular vote argument when there were millions of people not included in that number who stayed home or did something like write in "Bernie Sanders" temper tantrum-style..
democrank
(11,094 posts)We shall overcome.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Be angry with a corporate media that normalized him.
But Trump is a minority President.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)Listening to friends from other countries criticize the US is a waste of your time, time better spent organizing against Trump and for progressives.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)There's no need to be ashamed of our country. Or of our Democracy or our Constitution. These people are just an aberration of misfits who think money is God and should have all our fealty.
Our country is OK. Dicks in our country are a different thing.
Kimchijeon
(1,606 posts)all we can do is speak out and fight.