they don't fucking get it. POOR people can NOT save anything because they don't have $

[demtenjeep]

do they think we WANT to be poor????

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

1. They get it. They just don't care.

They want to be rich and powerful at the expense of everyone else. We don't matter to them.

[tblue37]

29. I was about to post the same words in your subject line. nt

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

31. Great minds :) LOL...

Looks like a few other people had similar thoughts too.

[still_one]

30. thank you for spelling it out

[JDC]

38. Yes. This is exactly right.

[Cosmocat]

50. This

Nm

[Jakes Progress]

66. This. And we waste time when we think they care.

If you don't have a lot of money, they don't give a crap about you, your kids, or your life. They are shit.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

68. Dems need to figure out how to get all those poor/middle class Republican voters

to understand this so they stop voting for Republicans. I guess if things really do go to shit it will be a wake up call to those people. Maybe that is what is needed to undo the years of Fox News brainwashing.

[demtenjeep]

2. sorry

talking about health savings accounts

[Wounded Bear]

15. HSAs, tax credits....doesn't make any difference....

those are upper middle class solutions to a lower class problem.

To Repubs, if you are poor there are only two possible reasons. Either it's by choice and you don't deserve healthcare, or it's God's will and we can't go against that now, can we?

[redstatebluegirl]

3. They have no idea what it is like to live paycheck to paycheck.

They also don't know what it is like to not have insurance, to not be able to afford to send their kids to college or not be able to replace a car that breaks down or fix your house.

Middle class people can't afford what they are proposing either.

[Ligyron]

37. and yet many of their supporters are just that - broke.

It's the brown people's fault.

Or those libruls...

[yeoman6987]

47. I'd love to know the interest rate

Don't tell me it doesn't make a dime but the federal government will take the money and use it to make money. If that's the case then even those who can afford it won't. This may be a disaster for everyone literally.

[geomon666]

4. That's exactly what they think.

They think poor people are lazy and entitled.

[Rex]

5. They get it, they just don't give a fuck.

[kairos12]

11. +1000

[lpbk2713]

6. That is part of their grand plan.

They think they can starve off the lower classes and that attrition
will reduce the number of voters who they presume vote Dem.
So they just don't care if people eat or get medical care.

[titaniumsalute]

18. Problem is many of the poor are in the red states that vote for him

[Phoenix61]

7. It's part of their religious belief

God blesses good people with prosperity. If you're poor it's because God hasn't blessed you. If God doesn't think you deserve anything why should we?

Bat shit fucking crazy, but they believe it.

[HeartachesNhangovers]

8. Poverty-shaming is slightly more sophisticated

than that. People with money don't say: "Dang, those poor people must like to be poor." Instead, they say things like: "If they really didn't want to be poor, there's all sorts of things those people could do to improve their situation."

Often, people with money don't appreciate how much good luck contributed to their situation, and they also don't appreciate how much bad luck can frustrate people's intentions and actions to get out of poverty. Compared to the mid-20th century, when jobs were relatively plentiful and growth was strong, people today have a much smaller margin for error to stay above the poverty line. In the 60's or 70's, losing a job was much less of a potential disaster than it is today. Today, even losing 1 of 2 jobs in a household can start a downward spiral that's difficult or impossible to reverse.

[TheFrenchRazor]

46. one of my "favorite" RW expressions: the rich deserve to be rich, the poor deserve to be poor. nt

[LoveMyCali]

55. Yup

and also we are irresponsible and spend our money on things like a car that actually runs and cell phones and cable TV because you know ... if you're poor you shouldn't have anything.

[raccoon]

67. Great post. nt

[kairos12]

9. Message to citizens who are ill, hurry and die you takers.

[scscholar]

10. Poor people have poor ways

is what they keep saying.

[Turbineguy]

12. Poor people

that would be somebody who only inherited a million dollars.

[Wellstone ruled]

13. This is a real shot at

all those Trump supporters in the Rust Belt States. GOP has been and will always support the Corporate Elite and keep millions in endured servitude.

[titaniumsalute]

19. The Dems need to talk to these people

and tell them what Trump is really doing to them.

[Wellstone ruled]

22. We had our chance,

and now we really have to stay on message and get on the ground and become door to door sales people.

[titaniumsalute]

24. Telling someone what might happen

is not as powerful as when they see first hand unfortunately.

[Wellstone ruled]

25. Proof will be in the off year

Elections for State and Local Offices this year.

Again,watched the Election slip away in the last four days. Hunch that many Dems sat it out or voted for Stein as a protest just to get burned.

[titaniumsalute]

34. Yeah and I know a number of Dems who didn't vote

[Wellstone ruled]

36. Found several myself,

two of which I contacted during Phone Banking. They just said oh well to which I asked them if they were happy with the way the things ended up. Gee what happened,or we were so far ahead in early voting.

[3catwoman3]

56. And a hearty...

...Fuck You to each and every one of them.

[Wellstone ruled]

58. No,I tell them,

are happy with the Idiot in the White House.

[drray23]

14. thats the health saving accounts. same problem with tax deductions.

What good is a $2000.0 tax deduction (the number floated around to replace the ACA subsidies if you are around 20 ish year old, up to $4000.0 for people near retirement age) if you already pay little or no taxes because you are poor ?

Its so ridiculous on its face, I do not understand why people dont see through it.

[subterranean]

40. I believe it's a tax credit, not a tax deduction.

You receive the credit even if you pay no taxes. But the credit will be less generous than the Obamacare subsidies for most people, and will not be scaled to income. So someone who is barely scraping by will only be able to afford a bare-bones insurance plan, if that.

[Adrahil]

16. The reality....

1) They believe they cannot be rich unless a lot of people are poor.

2) Rich is never rich enough.

3) Being poor is moral failing. Corollary: Poor and middle class white people should be encouraged to believe poor minorities and immigrants are keeping them from being rich (or at least comfortably well off).

[tblue37]

32. The billionaire played by Robert Vaughan in Christopher Reeves' "Superman III" said, "It's not

enough that I win. Everyone else must lose."

[Adrahil]

61. So many of them feel that way. It explains the whole gay marriage thing too.

It's not enough that they are not gay, but gay people must not be allowed to enjoy their lives.

[CousinIT]

17. Oh they GET it. They just don't give a damn. n/t

[mountain grammy]

20. They get it, but Jesus....

Like many other Republicans, Congressman Roger Marshal, R KS. said he wants the health care system to rely on the free market rather than Obamacare’s regulations. He measures success in how many people can afford to leave the Medicaid program and enter the private insurance market.

“Just like Jesus said, ‘The poor will always be with us,’” he said. “There is a group of people that just don’t want health care and aren’t going to take care of themselves.”
Pressed on that point, Marshall shrugged.

“Just, like, homeless people. … I think just morally, spiritually, socially, [some people] just don’t want health care,” he said. “The Medicaid population, which is [on] a free credit card, as a group, do probably the least preventive medicine and taking care of themselves and eating healthy and exercising. And I’m not judging, I’m just saying socially that’s where they are. So there’s a group of people that even with unlimited access to health care are only going to use the emergency room when their arm is chopped off or when their pneumonia is so bad they get brought [into] the ER.”

https://theintellectualist.co/republican-lawmaker-the-poor-dont-want-health-care-because-theyre-lazy-and-will-die-anyway/

[3catwoman3]

57. This attitude was particularly...

...vile coming from a doctor. An OB-GYN, no less, who cares for women at one of the most vulnerable times of their lives.

[Kimchijeon]

21. they know, they don't care

and hope that enough poor/working class chumps fall for it "oh sure take away Obamacare and gimme an HSA an' tax credits"
(fast forward)
"...wait, whaddya mean I have to pay for HSA or healthcare upfront which I can't afford.... whaddya mean that tax deduction next year doesn't mean shit due to my income level? Darn you Obama!"


Sigh

[sarcasmo]

23. Republican Jesus has no soul.

[Wellstone ruled]

26. This is the Koch Brothers legislation.

They paid dearly for this POS.

[superpatriotman]

27. Just cash in one of your lower yielding CD's

And reinvest it into an income-producing property. In a few years you'll have built up enough cash flow that the regressives health plan will actually benefit you.

[guillaumeb]

28. Yes they do.

Rich conservatives feel that being poor is an indication that the poor person is too lazy to become rich.

Poor conservatives know that they would be rich if it were not for lazy non-whites on welfare.

[wcast]

60. This is exactly it!!

I got into a huge argument with my brother-in-law, who is works in the oil and gas field. He is pretty high up in the industry and makes a lot of money. Social Darwinism is what he believes. If you work hard enough only good things happen. If bad things happen, it is your fault because you didn't work hard enough or weren't smart enough.

When it came to political debate, he wasn't smart enough, but that's another story. We haven't spoken much since then when it comes to family events.

[DonCoquixote]

33. this is the problem with america

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_work_ethic

In shoirtm despite the fact that Jesus said "it is harderfor a camel to go through the eye of the needle" than to be saved belive that their money is a direct proof that God has picked them. It even extends this to an idea called "the elect" which means Giod just chose who we wantd and meant the rest to go to Hell, literally.

May Jean Calvin burn in the lowest corner of Hell.

[Initech]

35. The death of America isn't Donald Trump. It's Ayn Rand.

Atlas Shrugged gave birth to the entitlement class that is the GOP's mantra. It is the source of most of the bullshit that conservatives have been heaping upon us.

[keithbvadu2]

39. Republican Jesus knows that the poor want to be poor and do not want healthcare.

Republican Jesus knows that the poor want to be poor and do not want healthcare.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/4/1639882/-GOP-congressman-a-doctor-wants-to-gut-Medicaid-because-the-poor-just-don-t-want-health-care

http://crooksandliars.com/2017/03/rev-barber-hits-kansas-reps-claims-health

http://crooksandliars.com/2017/03/kansas-congressman-argues-poor-people-are

[aeromanKC]

41. Just die quickly!!

That is the GOP health care philosophy.

[marlakay]

42. Not just the poor

How many of us Americans can afford to save? Especially us retired people gas, food, products, utilities go up etc but not our monthly pension.

[Orrex]

43. True, but...

I've seen that same basic sentiment expressed MANY times here at DU, in essence scolding the poor for their poor choices. Imagine--some poor people actually have the goddamn nerve buy soda now and then, instead of clinging to the proper Dickensian archetype of poverty, as befits people of their wretched station.

[elmac]

44. Oh, they know it, they just don't care

they invented the term death panels for a reason and that reason is they are the death panel.

[colorado_ufo]

45. But Honey . . . They don't CARE!

[zentrum]

48. They do fucking get it.

They don't care if poor people just go off and die.

[MFM008]

51. and your right

drift and die bitches...

[SHRED]

49. They say you are "lazy" if you're poor

[Buckeye_Democrat]

69. Not only that, but they EARN every penny of their money.

If they make 500 times (or more) the money of someone else, it's because the almighty free market is "fair" and decided they're worth that much more.

Taxation is "stealing" what they deserve, or so they've convinced themselves.

[Greybnk48]

52. They get it just fine.

They're callous pigs who have theirs and care nothing for anyone else. Sociopaths.

[democratisphere]

53. Taking it to the streets.

republiCONs are dumber than DS. Who cares about a tax cut on next to nothing.

[bhowle]

54. If you're working at McDonalds

just set $500.00 per month aside in a HSA and you'll be OK unless you get really sick.

No problem.

[Warpy]

59. They think people are poor because they are lazy, not because they were born poor

are surrounded by poverty, and have diminished expectations from the day they are born.

They have no clue that their own rotten lives are supported on the backs of millions of invisible workers kept in poverty by low wages through no fault of their own. Poor people work a hell of a lot harder than most Republicans ever thought possible.

That poor folks don't make enough for a nutritious diet and safe housing, let alone saving money for health care and retirement, really doesn't seem to penetrate the cement filling their thick skulls. They seem to think there are money trees to be picked or secret trust funds out there somewhere but poor folks are too damned shiftless to try to access either.

It's why I want to force every single Republican out there to sit down and write up a budget using the Sunday paper, meaning rent, food, utilities, and transportation on a minimum wage paycheck.

It'll never happen, of course, it's just too easy to go on hating everybody their AM radios say it's OK to hate, poor folks topping the list.

[demtenjeep]

62. just require them to live in our shoes for a month

hell, they wouldn't last a week

[Warpy]

64. I'd like to make it a year

because that's how long it would take for malnutrition and sleep deprivation to hit them really hard.

There is nothing like waking up hungry in the middle of the night and knowing it's 2 more days to payday and there is nothing to eat until then.

[demtenjeep]

65. I like it

one year is good

[Amaryllis]

63. And tax credits only benefit those with $$