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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe latest well-timed Wiki-dump is being over-hyped, as usual.
Apparently coverage of DT lately has been too negative.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/sheerafrenkel/no-wikileaks-didnt-just-reveal-that-the-government-has-acces?utm_term=.buPg92E7E#.iyZZMwpDp
SAN FRANCISCO A misreading of new WikiLeaks documents published Tuesday morning led to mass panic over whether the CIA and allied intelligence organizations could hack into secure messaging apps trusted by millions of people across the world.
The claims were made off a cache of almost 9,000 documents and files that WikiLeaks said came from the CIAs Center for Cyber Intelligence and allegedly detail how the CIA hacks into phones, laptops, and other connected devices. A number of news outlets reported that the documents revealed that Signal, WhatsApp, and other messaging apps that use high-level encryption to ensure that messages are sent and received safely had been compromised.
Cybersecurity experts, however, were quick to point out that the documents simply stated that if a phone was compromised which is to say if the CIA hacked into the phone itself any apps on that phone would no longer be secure. This is the equivalent of saying that if your house is broken into and bugged, whispering softly on your phone in your bedroom is not going to make that conversation secure.
SNIP
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)femmocrat
(28,394 posts)Link to tweet
It seems to be very damaging to Obama.... and give drumpf a little more credence about Obama having hacking capabilities. Can someone explain this to me in non-confusing language? Thanks.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)sunonmars
(8,656 posts)bathroommonkey76
(3,827 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)sunonmars
(8,656 posts)bathroommonkey76
(3,827 posts)But I'm sure there are plenty out there who do view him that way. lol
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)He's a traitor.
And he's still there, at their mercy. Why would you ever think anything he would write from his perch there would be reliable?
bathroommonkey76
(3,827 posts)spies on us-- He's a hero in a lot circles on the left and right.
I don't buy into the misinformation that's been thrown out there by our gov't about him-Citizen Four convinced me that he cares about our country more than those out there who claim to be "patriots".
sunonmars
(8,656 posts)He's a traitor of the first order.
bathroommonkey76
(3,827 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)bathroommonkey76
(3,827 posts)You do know Cheney was the chief architect behind the mass surveillance used against us today. I applaud Snowden for calling out those criminals in the Bush administration.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)in the US government. We have whistle-blower statutes that would have protected him.
Instead, he took laptops full of classified info to our greatest adversaries -- China and Russia -- and has since made his home there.
He's a traitor.
bathroommonkey76
(3,827 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)Doesn't know shit...
scscholar
(2,902 posts)He was corrupted by what he was exposed to.
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)Did the Russians put it out there to distract from the obstruction of justice charges -- because of the cray-cray tweets about the wiretaps -- which were supposed to distract us from Sessions committing perjury??
It's all making me crazy! Enough already!!!
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)femmocrat
(28,394 posts)You're right.
politicat
(9,808 posts)Look, there's a lot of questionable activity around Ecuador, Assange and Wikileaks. Follow the money.
Ecuador has been in difficult financial straits for decades. They got saddled with a lot of IMF loans thanks to the Freshwater Econs in the Reagan administration. When Correa became president in 2007, they were paying 6% of their annual GDP in interest payments. In 2000, their internal economy went into tailspin, and they had to adopt the US dollar as their currency to break out of the hyperinflation. And they're trying to ditch a lot of that debt. (I don't disagree with this, as it happens; the IMF has caused more anguish than it has ever improved.) They seem to be in an intermediate step towards de-dollarization right now; in 2015, they introduced a digital cryptocurrency -- it's more Paypal than Bitcoin, but they're definitely trying to control their own money. (At this point, it's not clear if their digital currency is useful for money-laundering, but it's far from transparent, and any financial system without transparency becomes a means of money-laundering.)
During that same time, Assange self-imprisoned himself rather than meet with Swedish law enforcement. (July 2012) After that, Wikileaks got relatively quiet. Their major dumps were fairly minor, as these things go. Until about 15 months ago.
What happened? Well... the Ecuadorian economy has been in recession, because they're getting hit with the same low oil prices that are aimed at Russia. Ecuador's single largest export is oil -- 1/3 of their public sector revenue and 40% of their export earnings. (See also, Venezuela.) For the past several years, they've had major protest movements that have resulted in numerous deaths and imprisonments, some highly questionable media closures and controls, and at least one attempted coup.
Then they had an earthquake in 2016 that killed 800 people, injured 16,000 and caused about $3B in damages, especially to their (already fragile) infrastructure. If a similar event were to happen in the US, it would have to kill 20,000, injure 335,000 and cause about $500 billion in damage. For a country of 16 million people, with a $109B in annual GDP, that earthquake was devastating.
They've already got a difficult relationship with the United States, because it was the Milton Friedman asshats that extracted billions from them and put a majority of their population into a form of debt-serfdom. The drug war has not helped. Extractive industries have not helped. And in 2016, it's not like our Congress was in a mood to help anyone but their corporate masters, so there was little recovery help from the US, and almost none that didn't come with more IMF loan terms. (This is why foreign aid matters -- when a country is in existential crisis, they will find the money somewhere, and it's in our best interest that they think of us as good neighbors.)
They've been selling (mostly oil) land leases to and accepting loans from China for years, on better terms than the IMF offers; but they've also got common cause with Russia because they need oil prices to rise. And sitting in their embassy, eating their food and using their wifi, is a plausibly deniable malignant boil who has never once released a single document on Russia's intelligence or corrupt practices. A few hundred million in untraceable money is nothing for the oligarchs, and it means a lot of road work, electrification and water treatment for Ecuadorans. They've got a money system that can be diverted into money laundering.
Documents aren't that hard to create. The templates are fairly easy to replicate and there are a lot of well-educated, underpaid people in Russia who would like to keep the heat in their apartments and food on their plates and have watched their savings evaporate as the ruble has turned back into toilet paper. Wikileaks and Assange have a vested interest in causing US chaos, because Assange personally believes himself persecuted (and his personal economy runs on entitlement and martyrbation, and as a self-imprisoned political prisoner, he's not subject to pesky things like child support and handling personal relationships like an adult), and Wikileaks appears to have become a wholly owned subsidiary of the FSB. (Note that Novaya Gazeta, the "opposition" Russian language newspaper, founded by Mikhail Gorbachev, is now owned by an oligarch, and while it had a "partnership" with Wikileaks in 2010 to disclose Russian malfeasance, not a single article has ever been published. It's been hit with major DDOS and malware attacks, and its journalists have a nasty tendency towards Sudden Putin Death Syndrome. They appear to be allowed to exist as a pressure valve and when they become too uppity, someone dies suddenly.)
Given all of those connections -- why would I trust anything from Wikileaks? Documents are easy. Digital documents are easier.
I am not saying our government is at all innocent -- it's not. And INTEL got way too much unsupervised access to the national credit card after 2001. I'm well aware they've been doing massive black budget bullshit. But I'd put it on the Rummy-Cheney-Poindexter bill, not the Obama Administration's bill, if for no other reason than the 2009-2010 congress was busy trying to undo the fuckery of 2008, and since 2011, Congress has done its best to deny the Obama administration anything.
ymetca
(1,182 posts)brought Dmitry Rybolovlev's mysteriously synchronized plane landings to the attention of the MSM seems suspicious. The likelihood that "the fertilizer king" is Putin's conduit for direct communication with our so-called President just increased exponentially. T-rump takes his marching orders in some dimly lit aircraft hangar... or maybe they just replace the battery in his brain implant. It would explain his erratic behavior, as these sorts of "Manchurian candidate" tools often have unintended behavior consequences.
All conspiracy theory aside, however, let us not forget that these billionaire oligarchs and hedge-funders, who have been playing nation-raping games for decades, are beginning to get the mass-media scrutiny they deserve.
The war of the 1% upon the rest of us is percolating up into mass consciousness, and we are sharpening our pitchforks for them and the politicians they control.
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)I am just learning about the hotel in Azerbaijan. Who can keep up with all this?
I think one of the hardest things to understand about this is that for once, we are dealing with a vast criminal enterprise, but it's so huge that even extremely intelligent people lose the threads.
I've taken to flow-charting every relationship as it shows up in the media, and it's so large I can't even post it. The document itself is hundreds of megabytes (For comparison, most 100K word novels are 10-50 MB in text form, 100-200 MB in audiobook form; most downloaded TV episodes are 500MB-1GB.) If it were a wall with yarn and push pins and index cards, I'd need to take over the 100 foot hallway in my office building.
It's not really conspiracy theory when it's money laundering. It's an industry that's 90% legal. And it's been ongoing since the South Sea Bubble collapsed.
ymetca
(1,182 posts)Check out this site:
https://littlesis.org/
politicat
(9,808 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)sunonmars
(8,656 posts)Nothing but a russian propaganda platform.
Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)after all, the actual meaningful data in the DNC leaks was pretty much a nothing burger.
sunonmars
(8,656 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)many of them were altered in some way. Even with that, there wasn't anything interesting in them IIRC. Just a bunch of interoffice memos. I guess the nosy types liked them.
The real damage was that it reinforced in their bases' minds that Hillary was a "security risk."
phylny
(8,379 posts)"Look at me. ME!!! LOOK OVER HERE!!!"
I'm just bored by them.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)I don't trust a single thing that they do.
Linc13
(59 posts)they have shown us who they really are, and people have begun to stop collectively drinking Assange's bathwater.