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coti

(4,612 posts)
Thu Mar 9, 2017, 06:06 PM Mar 2017

Sure, Trumpcare is ridiculous, but as a side benefit it will bankrupt private health insurers

As we all know from the Obamacare Wars on DU many years ago, there is a reason for the individual mandate requiring nearly everyone to buy health insurance. It's because that is a necessary step to prevent people from gaming the system if you are going to require insurance companies to enroll people with pre-existing conditions.

This new Trumpcare is going to try out the completely unworkable, downright idiotic idea of not requiring everyone (i.e., the young and healthy) to get insurance, while still demanding that health insurance providers let people who are already sick buy insurance.

Well, dang, I don't know about you, but I know my new health insurance plan if this thing passes. I call it "NOT Paying for Insurance, UNTIL I Get Sick." That's only common sense, right? Why would I pay for health insurance unless I get more out of it than I pay in, after I'm really sick?

A 30% surcharge after I'm already sick sure won't stop me. That doesn't change the math at all. I'll still go ahead and keep my money while I'm healthy.

Sure, that's not the way insurance is SUPPOSED to work, but the clowns writing this plan have a chimp's understanding of pooling risk and no business writing laws to begin with. Why would we expect anything else?

So, yes, I expect private health insurance premiums to absolutely explode under this model, with ONLY sick people paying into private insurance (private insurance companies who are supposed to somehow make money on this, too!) Just off the hip, I would guess that premiums will double or triple in just a few years, if not quicker- and, more than that, accelerate. Because you would not only be a fool to pay into insurance when you don't have to, which will drastically inflate premiums on its own- no, you'd be an even bigger fool to continue, as a healthy person, paying into such a system once prices have already started skyrocketing. Making healthy people drop their coverage, more and more, year after year, and the problem worse and worse. Such a system will bleed out, so to speak, the healthy from the insurance pool like its been taking double doses of Warfarin.

"Unworkable" is an understatement in describing Trumpcare. It's completely ridiculous and would outright kill the private health insurance market if implemented.

But, hey, what's so bad about that? Make private health insurance a money-losing business and maybe we'll finally get the single payer healthcare system this country should have had decades ago.

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Sure, Trumpcare is ridiculous, but as a side benefit it will bankrupt private health insurers (Original Post) coti Mar 2017 OP
"Too big to fail" comes to mind. n/t rzemanfl Mar 2017 #1
Amen ymetca Mar 2017 #2
oh no see when trumpcare bankrupts the private insurers okieinpain Mar 2017 #3
...except that most people still get their insurance from their employers... brooklynite Mar 2017 #4
The Atlantic: "...an estimated 14 million people would drop their insurance next year..." coti Mar 2017 #5
You are half right and half wrong. former9thward Mar 2017 #6

ymetca

(1,182 posts)
2. Amen
Thu Mar 9, 2017, 06:26 PM
Mar 2017

The sooner the better.

Of course, I will die from lack of healthcare in the interim, but that is happening to me anyway, as I can't afford the premiums now, not with three children in their teens.

If I weren't on my wife's crappy corporate plan, I could have signed up for Obama care. Nope. Sorry. Gotta take that "rider" plan the boss demands.

And I consider myself lucky, at 56, that I don't have any chronic ailments driving me to the doctor right now. Any I'm aware of anyway...

No, it's our children and grandchildren I worry about! I don't want them to waste a prince's fortune during their lives paying premiums into an ever-changing matrix of insurance companies who never pay out. I should have been playing the lottery with all that money! Geeesh, was I ever stupid!

okieinpain

(9,397 posts)
3. oh no see when trumpcare bankrupts the private insurers
Thu Mar 9, 2017, 06:28 PM
Mar 2017

it will become a national emergency and the repubs will bail them out then blame it on dems.

brooklynite

(94,482 posts)
4. ...except that most people still get their insurance from their employers...
Thu Mar 9, 2017, 06:30 PM
Mar 2017

....who won't pull out of the insurance market based on your personal theory.

coti

(4,612 posts)
5. The Atlantic: "...an estimated 14 million people would drop their insurance next year..."
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 07:03 PM
Mar 2017

"...because the proposal repeals the tax penalties associated with the individual mandate, the CBO forecasts. If people are not required to buy insurance, in other words, many will stop doing so."

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/the-cbo-slaps-a-red-card-on-the-republican-repeal-bill/519357/

Of course, those actually dropping coverage would be the more healthy people (or they probably wouldn't want to drop it).

Yeah, this wasn't my "personal theory"- more like the exact reason for the individual mandate in the first place. Without it, premiums are going to skyrocket.

former9thward

(31,963 posts)
6. You are half right and half wrong.
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 07:21 PM
Mar 2017

Yes, insurance companies will lose money under Trumpcare -- but they were losing money under Obamacare. Did you not notice that more and more companies were opting out of Obamacare every year? It was because they were losing tons of money and did not want to go bankrupt.

Your theory about the 30% penalty not changing the math is true. But it was the same math occurring with Obamacare. 1) The income tax penalty was small and so it made sense to pay the penalty and then get on insurance when you had a problem. 2) Plenty of people did not have insurance and did not pay any penalty either. Do you do your taxes? If you do you will notice all the IRS does is ask you whether you have medical insurance. They do not ask for a company or policy number. So people just check 'yes' and move on to the next item.

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