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dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
Fri Mar 10, 2017, 09:08 PM Mar 2017

THIS is why the United States Attorneys General were fired:

Last edited Fri Mar 10, 2017, 10:36 PM - Edit history (1)

According to NPR...which reported this on Wed:


Ethics Watchdogs Want U.S. Attorney To Investigate Trump's Business Interests

The executive director of Citizens for Ethics and Responsibility in Washington, sued Trump in Jan. for violating the Emoluments Clause, and sent a letter to U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara, asking him to pursue a case.

The Justice Department has a "broad mandate" to ensure compliance with the Emoluments Clause,
the letter says. It also notes that Bharara has jurisdiction over the issue because he is the U.S. attorney of the southern district of New York, where the Trump Organization is headquartered, the letter says.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/08/519281372/ethics-watchdogs-want-u-s-attorney-to-investigate-trumps-business-interests

So, cut to Friday, today....and 45 other United States Attorneys General are fired to cover up firing Bharara.
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THIS is why the United States Attorneys General were fired: (Original Post) dixiegrrrrl Mar 2017 OP
fuck crazylikafox Mar 2017 #1
Maybe/Maybe not. elleng Mar 2017 #2
Nobody said a word about letting them go in the first week or 2 dixiegrrrrl Mar 2017 #8
Right elleng Mar 2017 #9
I think you may be on to something. triron Mar 2017 #22
And to get Bharara, you have to fire them all to avoid the appearance of discrimination iluvtennis Mar 2017 #30
More is revealed today, adding to the reasons dixiegrrrrl Mar 2017 #37
It's actually a routine move by a new president krispos42 Mar 2017 #3
Not that routine... babylonsister Mar 2017 #16
I remember John Ashcroft doing the same thing Generic Brad Mar 2017 #21
NOT when it is done to obstruct justice. Then it is a crime. L. Coyote Mar 2017 #36
yes, but you would have to prove it was done with that intent. tomp Mar 2017 #38
Do you remember when a president would have faced removal if he interferred with an investigation? Baitball Blogger Mar 2017 #4
Seems I do... dixiegrrrrl Mar 2017 #7
"asking him to pursue a case." - what type of case? It's not a criminal offense for the president PoliticAverse Mar 2017 #5
the linked article has your answers. n/t dixiegrrrrl Mar 2017 #6
No, it doesn't. It merely asserts that... PoliticAverse Mar 2017 #15
Yes it is illegal. lark Mar 2017 #31
Please cite the federal law concerning emoluments that you refer to. n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2017 #33
Look up the emoluments clause in the Constitution itself ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #43
Yes but a federal prosecutor can't charge someone with "unconstitutional". n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2017 #44
this is true ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #45
Am I missing something in the terminology? US Attorneys and Attorney General... JHB Mar 2017 #10
US Attorneys--Prosecutors for the US Govt and work for the Attorney General, Jeff Sessions mtngirl47 Mar 2017 #11
Right. So when the OP talks about "Attorneys General", it's conflating them with... JHB Mar 2017 #13
You aren't missing anything the OP used the wrong title Lurks Often Mar 2017 #12
ty for pointing that out, corrected it. n/t dixiegrrrrl Mar 2017 #17
Actually, you're still off. You can correct by removing "General"... JHB Mar 2017 #19
Fine. Even better if it's an Indpendent Investigator. KittyWampus Mar 2017 #14
What an obstinate bunch of criminals! kentuck Mar 2017 #18
Our nation is being tested... Hulk Mar 2017 #20
kick for visibility triron Mar 2017 #23
Well on this one you scooped Rachael Maddow. usaf-vet Mar 2017 #24
Rachel needs to read DU! dixiegrrrrl Mar 2017 #25
US State Attorneys General serve at the President's pleasure. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #26
This Was One Area Where Things Were Going According To Schedule DallasNE Mar 2017 #27
Bahar refusing to resign MFM008 Mar 2017 #28
I just caught that, it is rapidly gaining headlines. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2017 #29
And Bharara was apparently fired... PoliticAverse Mar 2017 #35
The plot thickens. Nitram Mar 2017 #32
Um....this is a theory...not fact laserhaas Mar 2017 #34
Congratulations! I think you nailed it Az_lefty Mar 2017 #39
Actually, turningo ut that is only ONE of the investigations into Trump. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2017 #41
also Sean Hannity asked Trump to stop the investigation into FoxNews Fast Walker 52 Mar 2017 #40
Yeah..my jaw is dropped over that.... dixiegrrrrl Mar 2017 #42

elleng

(130,865 posts)
2. Maybe/Maybe not.
Fri Mar 10, 2017, 09:11 PM
Mar 2017

U.S. Attorneys are always expected to 'resign' with new administrations; that's nothing new. Timing of the 'demand' here may be odd, and particularly Mr. Bharara who had recently, apparently, agreed to stay on?

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
8. Nobody said a word about letting them go in the first week or 2
Fri Mar 10, 2017, 09:46 PM
Mar 2017

and Bharara was told he could stay on.
And now, when Trump is faced with a huge number of high positions to fill, Sessions empties out 45 more positions, on a Friday, right after Bharara gets a request from Ethics watchdogs to look into the legality of Trump's money deals while in office.

trump does not want anyone looking into his money deals, cause the truth about the Rusian money laundering would be revealed.
Right now just a few are putting that picture together.
I am real comfortable with my interpretation, but will allow room for it to be even worse than I could think, cause that seems to be the way Trump works.

If you want a good look into the money laundering angle....it, check out this guy's evidence on his Twitter feed:
https://twitter.com/Khanoisseur

triron

(21,999 posts)
22. I think you may be on to something.
Fri Mar 10, 2017, 11:56 PM
Mar 2017

Rachel talked about this tonite as well. Seems Bharara's jurisdiction includes Trump Towers in NYC,

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
37. More is revealed today, adding to the reasons
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 06:50 PM
Mar 2017

He was doing an investigation of Fox News, so there is that....

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
3. It's actually a routine move by a new president
Fri Mar 10, 2017, 09:14 PM
Mar 2017

The US attorneys scandal during the Bush years was something different. In fact I believe Obama was criticized for not dumping Bush's guys faster.

There's plenty to be mad about; this isn't one of them.

Unless he replaces them with more Breitbart editors or something.

<pause>

Oh, shit.

babylonsister

(171,057 posts)
16. Not that routine...
Fri Mar 10, 2017, 10:28 PM
Mar 2017
https://newrepublic.com/minutes/141282/department-justice-conducting-purge-obama-appointed-officials

Is the Department of Justice conducting a purge of Obama-appointed officials?

Late on Friday afternoon—when all of the really good Donald Trump news drops—the Department of Justice ordered 46 U.S. state attorneys, including anti-corruption crusader Preet Bharara of New York, to resign.

“As was the case in prior transitions, many of the United States attorneys nominated by the previous administration already have left the Department of Justice. The attorney general has now asked the remaining 46 presidentially appointed U.S. attorneys to tender their resignations in order to ensure a uniform transition,” Justice Department spokesperson Sarah Isgur Flores said in a statement.

But, as with many things in the Trump administration, this deviates from precedent in key ways. It’s traditional for new administrations to ask for resignations at the start of the term—today was Trump’s 50th day in office. And the affected attorneys appear to have been given very little warning:


Adding to the weirdness are the many calls from outside the Trump administration to “purge” officials appointed by former President Obama. Sean Hannity, never one for subtlety, used the p-word in a segment last night that attempted to blame the “deep state” for the Trump administration’s many failures in its first 50 days. When Press Secretary Sean Spicer was asked about the “deep state” at Friday’s press briefing, he blasted Obama allies/varmints who he claimed had “burrowed into government” to undermine Trump. Finally, Preet Bharara had met with Trump in November and had been persuaded to stay with the Justice Department—his resignation may not be accepted, but the fact that it is now being asked for is notable.

At this point, there seem to be two possibilities. The first—Occam’s razor in the Trump administration—is that sheer incompetence and a lack of familiarity with the levers of government are causing a lot of confusion. The second possibility is that Trump, the avid cable news watcher, is listening to Sean Hannity.

Generic Brad

(14,274 posts)
21. I remember John Ashcroft doing the same thing
Fri Mar 10, 2017, 11:53 PM
Mar 2017

We got our undies in a bunch then too. Can't say I like the practice, but it is the right of a new administration to do that.

 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
38. yes, but you would have to prove it was done with that intent.
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 07:05 PM
Mar 2017

hard to do without someone inside or documents testifying to that effect.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
5. "asking him to pursue a case." - what type of case? It's not a criminal offense for the president
Fri Mar 10, 2017, 09:30 PM
Mar 2017

to receive an emolument, as far as a civil case what could Bharara sue for?

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
15. No, it doesn't. It merely asserts that...
Fri Mar 10, 2017, 10:09 PM
Mar 2017
The Justice Department has a "broad mandate" to ensure compliance with the Emoluments Clause,

lark

(23,094 posts)
31. Yes it is illegal.
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 04:32 PM
Mar 2017

There is a federal law about this and it's been known he was violating it even prior to him taking office. This is all about drumpf keeping everyone donating to his personal wealth and avoiding following the law by divesting from his conflicts of interest.

ProfessorPlum

(11,256 posts)
43. Look up the emoluments clause in the Constitution itself
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 09:15 PM
Mar 2017

It's even worse than illegal. It is unconstitutional.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
10. Am I missing something in the terminology? US Attorneys and Attorney General...
Fri Mar 10, 2017, 09:55 PM
Mar 2017

...are not the same thing.

Are we talking about US Attornerys? (The article seems to be.) Or Attorneys General? And for 45 of them, are we talking state Attorneys General?

JHB

(37,158 posts)
13. Right. So when the OP talks about "Attorneys General", it's conflating them with...
Fri Mar 10, 2017, 10:03 PM
Mar 2017

...US Attorneys.

Wanted to clarify that, because it just didn't look right.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
12. You aren't missing anything the OP used the wrong title
Fri Mar 10, 2017, 10:02 PM
Mar 2017

It was the US Attorneys that were told their services were no longer needed.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
19. Actually, you're still off. You can correct by removing "General"...
Fri Mar 10, 2017, 11:13 PM
Mar 2017

...in the subject line and in the last line of your post.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
20. Our nation is being tested...
Fri Mar 10, 2017, 11:50 PM
Mar 2017

So far, we are flondering. It's extremely politically divided, but time is wearing away some of the solid, blind support for this con artist and his oligarchy of inept surrogates that he has installed. If they persist...this cointry crashes and burns.

The Democrats are firmly opposed to this evil son-of-a-bitch, but ever so slowly pieces of the repuKKKe wall are crumbling, and I hope and pray we will prevail. It's not a sure thing at this point in time. The public needs to voice their concerns and force Congress to represent us.

usaf-vet

(6,181 posts)
24. Well on this one you scooped Rachael Maddow.
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 01:14 PM
Mar 2017

I listen to the podcast of her show last night and she couldn't figure out why. She kept making the point that 45 has the right to fire but she did not scope this out for a reason. She had a guest on who didn't specifically pin point this either.

I kept thing to myself the best explanation is Bharara must have something on Trump in the pipeline.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
25. Rachel needs to read DU!
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 01:59 PM
Mar 2017


as many of us remember, Bush illegally fired a few of the USAGs for purely political reasons, and as a matter of fact, at the time, Josh Marshall was just beginning TPM, and many of us were digging up info and putting it together over there.

I also remember reading about the NPR story, in my link, so it was not a far reach to put the 2 together.
Damn fool should have let them all go, that would have been normal.

the internet has a long long memory....

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
26. US State Attorneys General serve at the President's pleasure.
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 02:05 PM
Mar 2017

But it does seem as if Bannon wishes to empty out large sections of the US Government. First the State department, now Justice.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
27. This Was One Area Where Things Were Going According To Schedule
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 02:21 PM
Mar 2017

There are 93 US Attorney's and 47 have already been rotated out. It normally takes 3-4 months for the full rotation of all 93 to occur so it was completely on schedule. But that doesn't mean that a new President has to follow the protocol and rotate them out in an orderly manner as common sense would call for. And with Trump common sense is far down the list of considerations for his actions. Indeed, it seems to be non-existent in Trump's world. The end result is what we see here. Somebody put a bug in Trump's ear and he swung the meat-ax. The Bharara angle is as good as any to explain it.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
34. Um....this is a theory...not fact
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 06:26 PM
Mar 2017

There are many other contributing factors.

And the changing of the guard is a dynamic providing clarity.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
41. Actually, turningo ut that is only ONE of the investigations into Trump.
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 09:12 PM
Mar 2017

Also looking into serious Fox News illegal behavior.
This whole day has been revealing much about the firings and targets of investigations.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
42. Yeah..my jaw is dropped over that....
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 09:13 PM
Mar 2017

And teh Wash. DC US Attorney was looking in to Session's lying under oath.

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