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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy have they been hiding Rep Joe Kennedy III
He's a rockstar
Edit to add context:
He nailed down a GOP lawyer in a hearing who tried to weasel his way out of a direct question that TrumpNoCare removes mental health care coverage,
He made the lawyer answer his question. Then on Chris Hayes, he was was thoroughly disgusted by the heartless cruel nature of republican ideology
He's impressive
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)Did he say anything clever? I was distracted.
blue neen
(12,319 posts)That's an odd choice for an adjective that describes Rep. Kennedy. He's doing rather impressive work here.
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)My kid was leaving and couldn't find her keys. we both commented on how striking he is though.
Sorry, lol.
flamingdem
(39,312 posts)and he's very handsome / cute / earnest and smart looking.
I see a rising star
CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)Me too!
Joe Kennedy, III for President 2020!!!!
How about a Kennedy/Warren ticket?
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)blue neen
(12,319 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)Cha
(297,103 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)He should run for pres in 2020. Gray hair isn't a prerequisite.
Cha
(297,103 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,841 posts)point to have an informed opinion about whether or not he should run for President in 2020, I absolutely know that we need new candidates. People here have actually been serious about saying Hillary Clinton should run again, or Elizabeth Warren or Sherrod Brown or any number of people who will be 70, or very close to it by then. And while I respect and admire any number of those put forth, it's time the Baby Boom generation started leaving the stage.
And if it matters, I'm a Boomer myself, and I think that the next generations should be taking over.
Among the many things wrong with Trump as President is that he's too old.
oldcynic
(385 posts)how one feels at that age. You're exhausted before the day is over, your brain runs in slo-mo so everybody else is jabbering, at any moment you might pass out or die. Facts, not prejudice. I so agree we need younger people but silver backs never willingly give up power. What does anyone think about the name? They say Justin is not the best prime minister, even if he can melt women's socks at twenty feet.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)His grand uncle was forty three when he became president.
Chimichurri
(2,911 posts)Excitement for a genuine new Dem got the best of me
Cha
(297,103 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Not only are there no "they" hiding him, this is a Kennedy. He was elected to Congress at 32 or so. Perhaps we should wonder what his natural level would be if he weren't himself a "they." Would he have finished, or even entered, college if dad was a short order cook? Insurance adjuster? Musician in a night club? A cook like dad?
Just suggesting we shouldn't be identifying "genuine Dems" by a brief prepared appearance in front of a camera. That's how the right chooses their leaders, excuse me, happily swallows the ones presented to them by dark money. Enormous cautionary tale.
Genuine dem here.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I'm finding this thread a real eye opener! And I like the Kennedys, but damn Caroline never got this kind of love, did she?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Can't involve sexism, though. Not from "us."
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Anyone thought that was exceptional in any way.
I do get that people are eager for a "rock star" to the extent they're forgetting their hatred over this dynasty thing. Why did I get to hear how HRC was like Bills child for a whole year... and it's obvs now that was not about having a name.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)always makes me nervous. I suspect the draw of ruling/dynastic families may reflect something of proclivity for authoritarian leadership. Personality cultism isn't the same but probably involved here, but again authoritarianism is involved more often than not.
Hillary emphatically did not appeal to authoritarians. Her message was never a feeling of great conviction conveyed in very short, simple phrases. She actually explained her positions and thought people should educate themselves and vote on the issues. Such a wonk.
MFM008
(19,804 posts)a more quieter life, working behind the scenes.
flamingdem
(39,312 posts)Thus making it more awkward when the nasty answer about cuts had to be repeated loudly and slowly
Cha
(297,103 posts)Mahalo
Good on Joe!
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)Here, on the 100th anniversary of his grand-uncle's birth!
LeftInTX
(25,220 posts)100 years...
He will always be remembered as youthful
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)were once a force to be reckoned with.
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)SouthernIrish
(512 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)it probably cuts down on the hate mail.
Bucky
(53,986 posts)in general, that third generation of Kennedy's aren't as charismatic as the three brothers. On the other hand, sometimes a lot of charisma as a side effect of inflexible parenting. Old Joe was a ruthless task master.
I feel true passion and lots of charisma... from his message!
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)winning office to Congress. In his first race he ran against a populist teabagger and occasionally looked awkward, but won. He found his stride. He is striking in looks and a policy wonk.
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)And what a face this one has... mercy!
But yes... his politics are extremely solid. I hope he has the fire in his belly. He (and Democrats like him) are our future and the ones that will help digs us out of this hellhole we're currently in.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,831 posts)thank you for spoiling that idiom for me
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)Looking forward to the day that Ryan goes the way of Cantor.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,165 posts)after he tried to get his marriage to Joe III's mother annulled.
Joe III has a fraternal twin brother named Matthew (Matt).
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)I admired Sheila's strength in not backing down to what were some powerful interests.
Hopefully the children learned the lessons of their father. Joe III has a sincerity that I like.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)itself allowed her to remarry.
But her Catholic spouse couldn't get remarried as a Catholic without an annulment, which simply said that they hadn't had a valid CATHOLIC marriage, not that they didn't have a legally valid marriage.
And despite what she claimed, her Catholic annulment did NOT make her kids illegitimate. She was just mad at her ex and extracted her pound of flesh.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)and remarried. It doesn't make the children illegitimate, a common misconception. It just says that it wasn't a valid Catholic marriage, not that it wasn't a legally valid marriage.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)They had kids together, were together for twenty years. If the Catholic Church needs reformation that's one thing, but pretending twenty year relationships never happened is appalling. They had a nice amiable quiet divorce, he should have been able to live with that and move on.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)It merely says that the Catholic Sacrament didn't occur -- which shouldn't matter in the slightest to a non-Catholic who wasn't out for revenge.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Their rules while the poor schmucks are left bound by them. Anyone would be pissed if the man you were with for twenty years wanted to basically erase the relationship like that. And we all know he only got it- temporarily- because he's from a powerful family. Shit like that makes a mockery of Catholicism.
I'd feel differently if an anoulment was a forgiveness instead or an erasure. That is what makes it an insult - no matter wherther you're Catholic or not.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)didn't occur..
She was just trying to make it harder for him to get remarried as a Catholic, even though she would have had no problem getting remarried in her church.
This was just revenge.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Full a "do-over" while regular people have to follow the rules. The people who pull shit like this are contemptible and his wife was kind and never brought up any dirt on him. He wanted to marry his younger assistant and still look like a saint. After twenty years and two kids that's a whole lot to ask. He should not have gotten married in the church if he didn't believe in the forever part of it. He's making the church look corrupt to bolster his own image.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,165 posts)Of course, Joe had no control over being born into a Catholic family, but to retroactively say that his first marriage, with 2 children, should not be recognized by the Catholic church so that he can have a do over is BS.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)It is saying that the civil marriage did occur, and is recognized by the Church as such; but the "occasion of grace" -- the Sacrament -- did not.
The wife can have a "do-over" within her own Church. What's BS is for her to try to prevent him from remarrying in his church.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,165 posts)So I guess they know best.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)And one of the reasons is that he wants the Church to have more compassion for Catholics who have gone through divorce, and want to be able to attend Mass with their new spouse. He wants the annulment process to be easier, not harder, and has issued new rules to that effect (which the right wingers oppose).
Sheila wanted to extract her pound of flesh, so the rightwingers in the Vatican helped her. But it a local parish recognizes an annulment, that should be the end of it.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-the-new-annulment-process-has-an-eminently-pastoral-goal-23869/
In a nutshell, the new rules, which went into effect Dec. 8, 2015, drop the automatic appeal previously required after a decision on nullity had been reached, and place a stronger emphasis on local bishops, allowing them to make their own judgements on obvious cases of marriage nullity.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)And it doesn't make her children illegitimate, as she falsely claimed. They needed a civil divorce to dissolve their civil marriage.
The reason people are considered married by the state after the Catholic ceremony has nothing to do with the Catholic ceremony itself. It's because before or after performing the Catholic sacrament, the priest completes -- along with the couple -- the civil paperwork. And that civil paperwork is the only reason a Catholic couple is legally married in the eyes of the state.
What the annulment means is that in the eyes of the Church, because of some reason related to one or both partners, the "joining together" wasn't an occasion of "grace" -- which is what a Sacrament is supposed to be.
I don't know what you mean by 'regular people have to follow the rules." Regular people can and do get annulments. Not just Kennedys.
I disagree with calling her "kind" when she was trying to prevent him from remarrying as a Catholic when she herself wasn't a Catholic and could easily marry in her own church.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Kids. Sorry but an average joe doesn't get the special
Treatment from the church like a Kennedy does, annulling after all that. He wasn't even a practicing Catholic, what a load of shit.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)My parents had been married for even longer than the Kennedys, and they were regular people, but my mother wanted the annulment. My father didn't care, unlike Sheila. He didn't block an annulment to try to hurt his ex.
It seems so odd to me when non-Catholics and ex-Catholics defend the annulment process. (With Sheila it doesn't seem odd -- just vindictive.) Pope Francis, OTOH, is trying to make annulments easier. He put through new rules to streamline the process in 2015, which would have eliminated Sheila's automatic appeal if it had been in place when her marriage was annulled. Pope Francis thinks that local Bishops should be making the final decisions, not people in the Vatican.
Beartracks
(12,806 posts)And yes it is often misunderstood.
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CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)Some Catholics that are more on the devout side want an annulment as it dismisses the marriage being annulled so the person can move on in life.
My mother got an annulment for "extreme cruelty" by her first spouse. She'd have it no other way than that for herself. As for my father, he could have cared less and even though he was Catholic, he was not devout by any means when they got married in a Lutheran Church! Yep, a Lutheran Church! So much for that devout crap. It went straight out the window when she was married in a Lutheran Church!
As for Joe Kennedy III, he is a non-practicing Catholic and I really don't see why everyone has to make a big deal out out of it much less analyze it to death! He's not into it ok?
ritz719
(12 posts)are you judging him because you dislike his Dad? Who in Politics can you name, except Obama, that has a squeaky clean moral life?
CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)Ted Kennedy, Jr.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_M._Kennedy_Jr.
and ...
http://senatedems.ct.gov/kennedy
He reminds me greatly of his namesake!
So, yes there are some out there alright and not to be ignored!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)HRC grew up middle class and was described as part of a dynasty- as if Bill was her Dad and not her partner. And poor Chelsea has be eviserated by those w CDS just for tweeting. But it's cool for wealthy dudes I see.
betsuni
(25,450 posts)My head explodes every time I remember the "dynasty" and "Hillary is a millionaire and only in politics for the money" remarks.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)It's remarkable to watch the stark differences. What did Chelsea do to piss them off so? marry the wrong men. Oh fuck that- no one even knows or cares who these guys are married to, do they? Such bullshit.
betsuni
(25,450 posts)some of the first comments I saw on foreigner-in-Japan online sites was that because of Chappaquiddick and other things about her male relatives, Caroline was tainted and shouldn't be appointed. That she was an airhead, too shy, spoke in a breathy voice.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)So why not? That is how they roll.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,841 posts)not, say Chelsea Manning, has never indicated any interest in elected politics. And if she were suddenly to evince interest in, oh I dunno, I'll go out on a limb here, running for the United States Senate without any background in politics other than having spent part of her youth in the White House (does this remind you of anyone?) she'd be rightly excoriated.
At least Joe Kennedy III (and am I the only person who thinks people deserve their own names, not just a repeat with a roman numeral after it?) has run for office on his own, allowing for the huge advantage his name gives him. If he seeks higher office, all well and good.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Offices and he grew up wealthy? None of that counts "against him" as part of a dynasty? I kept reading here how awful that is. Both he and Chelsea worked for non profits and grew up around public servants, seems kind of natural for either of them to run for office.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)The Kennedys get to play dynastic politics because three of them gave their lives for our nation. Plus, Joseph Kennedy lll is whip smart.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And who's not whip smart in the Clinton family? Yet the boys "get to play"? I wish I could laugh at this, but you know what? A Biden "boy" would get the same pass. And Chelsea gets trashed just for tweeting.
Good lord, you can't make this shit up.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)in line for benefit from the dynasty has a vagina. The anti female bias is sickening and right on the surface.
oldcynic
(385 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Did you see the clip? He was mediocre. I suppose he was recognizably a Kennedy though, so he's awesome!
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)use family dynasty because of tragedy in his family? Can a woman do the same? If a female from Paul Wellstone's family ran for national office, would you support her if she was "whip smart"?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I never offered an opinion what Chelsea Clinton should or should not do.
No. It wasn't a tragedy... Getting cancer is a tragedy. Getting shot in the head while serving your country and for what you believe makes you a candidate for martyrdom. Jack and Bobby Kennedy belong to the ages.
I am sure Joseph Kennedy lll would have preferred his grandfather and two granduncles died of old age instead of getting shot.
True Blue American
(17,982 posts)Was discussing just how bad the Republican Health care plan is. He was referring to the defunding of mental health. That has always been a cause for the Kennedy family.
Ted Junior is one who would make a good Congressman or Senator. He does not have his fathers baggage. Losing a leg to cancer at a very young age would mature any one.
Both are charismatic, but they are also very smart..
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,841 posts)he has already run for office and won. Yes, the Kennedy name is an enormous help, especially in Massachusetts. But he's not only won an election, he's won two re-elections. So he has actual experience in government and elected office, unlike some others who've been suggested as running for high office without ever having shown interest in doing so.
Meanwhile Chelsea (and again I can only hope you're referring to Chelsea Clinton, not some other Chelsea out there) has never ever shown interest in running for office. Just growing up around people who have done so does not make it "kind of natural" for her (or Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg or either of the Obama daughters) to run someday.
In short, Joe Kennedy III has been laying the groundwork for future runs, perhaps even a run for the Presidency. If Chelsea Clinton has any such ambitions, she needs to start demonstrating them pretty soon.
The dynasty problem is one of the assumption that a member of that dynasty automatically deserves to run for office and win that election. We saw just how problematical that can be when Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg decided to run for the open Senate seat in New York in 2008 and was a complete disaster. A lot of people just assumed she'd be a terrific candidate because of her family's political history, but she was awful, just awful.
CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)At least they are attempting to do something positive. Is there anyone you'd care to add that might be trying to do something positive?
As for Chelsea Clinton, I don't know what her plans are.
Does Carolyn Kennedy not have a potential role down the road or is she too rich as well?
What about Malia Obama? Is she too young and too rich too?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And Caroline got trashed pretty bad when named as Japanese ambassador. When it was her turn in the spotlight, the sins of the fathers were trotted out for everyone to reconsider.
Just saying I don't see the same for these guys. And it's looking pretty darned sexist at this point. I don't see anyone calling them princes or claiming their entitled, despite their gilded pedigree.
Just like Trump, somehow their leg up isn't noticeable. But HRC who grew up middle class and worked harder than anyone expected a "coronation" and her daughter is a non starter.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)Among other things, he was nicknamed the "Milkman" in college because he was a tea-totaler. He beat his most recent opponent by 40 points.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy_III
Kennedy along with his brother enrolled in Stanford University, where he majored in management science and engineering. Kennedy's reputation as a teetotaler earned him the college nickname "Milkman", as his teammates on the club lacrosse team would jocularly order him glasses of milk at bars.[3][5] While at Stanford, Kennedy roomed with future NBA player Jason Collins.[6]
After graduating in 2003, Kennedy joined the Peace Corps; a fluent speaker of Spanish, he worked in the Puerto Plata province of the Dominican Republic from 2004 to 2006, helping local tour guides in the 27 Charcos reserve in the Río Damajagua Park. He reorganized the group with some outside backing, directing the guides to rebuild parts of the park and develop skills to make the operation more attractive to tourists.[3][5] "We basically created a union," said Kennedy, who reported that the group's efforts won higher wages for employees while improving revenue for the tour companies.[7] According to a press release, his other activities in the Peace Corps included "stints as an Anti-Poverty Consultant for the Office of the President of the Democratic Republic of Timor-Leste and a Research Analyst for the United Nations Development Program."[8]
Kennedy speaking at the 50th Anniversary of the Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium (2011)
In April 2006, Kennedy returned to Massachusetts, where he and his brother co-chaired Ted Kennedy's re-election campaign. That fall, Kennedy enrolled in Harvard Law School.[3] While in school, Kennedy worked for the Harvard Legal Aid Bureau, providing legal aid to low-income tenants with foreclosure cases in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis. Kennedy worked as a technical editor for the Harvard Human Rights Journal, on a staff with his classmate and future wife, Lauren Anne Birchfield.[3] In 2007 he and Birchfield co-founded Picture This: Justice and Power, an after-school program for youths in Boston's Jamaica Plain neighborhood.[9][10] He began an internship at the Cape and Islands District Attorney's Office in 2008.[8]
After graduating from Harvard in 2009, Kennedy was hired at the Cape and Islands Office as an assistant district attorney (DA). He considered running for the Cape-based U.S. House seat held by retiring Rep. Bill Delahunt in early 2010, but decided against it.[11] In September 2011, he joined the Middlesex County District Attorney's Office, also as an assistant DA.[12] He resigned several months later, in preparation for the announcement that he would seek political office.[13]
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Election 2014[edit]
See also: United States House of Representatives elections in Massachusetts, 2014
In the 2014 election Joseph P. Kennedy III ran unopposed in the primary election and in the general election. On November 4, 2014, Kennedy was re-elected, winning a second term with 184,158 votes or 97.91%.[27]
Election 2016[edit]
See also: United States House of Representatives elections in Massachusetts, 2016
In 2016, after running unopposed in the Democratic primary, Kennedy was re-elected to a third term, defeating Republican David Rosa by a margin of more than forty percentage points.[28]
northoftheborder
(7,572 posts)his good looks, his education and background career. "An up and comer!"
nycbos
(6,034 posts)world wide wally
(21,740 posts)colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Very well spoken, came off smart, for sure he is very good looking as well.
ritz719
(12 posts)Joe Kennedy III for President!
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Green Line
(1,123 posts)Joe 111 2020
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)Yes - he's got it. Charismatic, articulate and earnest.
On a totally irrelevant subject, he even has the floppy lock of hair over his forehead like his grandfather.
Motley13
(3,867 posts)phylny
(8,378 posts)sellitman
(11,606 posts)Just imagine.
Damit.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Our side need to go younger for our 2020 ticket. I can see Kennedy running as the VP candidate, below a Gillibrand or Klobuchar.
sellitman
(11,606 posts)Joe would be about the same age.
Charisma. Joe has it in spades.
Intelligence. Ditto
Baggage. None
Joe Kennedy lll 2020
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)(By his own account just after he got elected after Barney Frank retired).
Turbineguy
(37,313 posts)who will be in need of a republican character assassination.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)ya know, feed the poor, heal the sick, practice peace, and love thy neighbor.
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)And smart and as most of the Kennedys, charismatic.
I'm impressed with his intelligence as well as his dedication to the "malice" of the Republicans. Definitely a man to watch and support.
The family "curse" is a tough gig to handle.
Here's wishing him immense success in combating the thugs across his aisle.
Ligyron
(7,624 posts)Nice, Presidential looking guy who did make sense on Medicaid this am.
Not knocking him but they're liable to tear him a new one in a national race.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,165 posts)She went driving while on Ambien and had a car accident. It's actually a problem with Ambien and itdoesn't mean you're abusing it. People go sleepwalking, sleep driving, etc. Cops have stopped more than a few folks driving in the wee hours, wearing their pajamas, zombied out on Ambien.
Joe III doesn't even drink. In college they called him Milkman, because that's all he would drink.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)"Ambien freak*" - Kerry Kennedy
*not my description
brooklynite
(94,489 posts)Initech
(100,060 posts)Right now our whole damn government has been compromised. Who knows how many senators, Congressman, governors and billionaires are in on the coup? This is what treason looks like and this is what a real conspiracy looks like. I'm worried a lot of people are going to die before we get this sorted out.