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Puzzler

(2,505 posts)
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 03:46 AM Mar 2017

Is NYC's "Fearless Girl" statue corporate tokanism?

Or is it art?

Personally, I like it. But there are some who are rightly objecting to its sponsors.

I'd be interested in some views... especially women, and New Yorkers.

-Puzzler

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applegrove

(118,615 posts)
1. Government being out for people's best interests was competing with corporations for the goodwill
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 04:03 AM
Mar 2017

of the people. Corporations have been dying to get some of that. And now that they will be able to repatriate 3 trillion under preferable Trump tax rates they had an extra $40,000 lying around to build a statue that would speak to women now that, under Trump, government can't.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
2. The wealthy have sponsored art for millennia.
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 04:06 AM
Mar 2017

Where would Renaissance art be without the Medici, the bankers of renaissance Italy?

People need to get over it. They have shitloads of money. They might as well do some good with it.

kcr

(15,315 posts)
4. State Street only have three women on their board, out of 11.
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 09:18 AM
Mar 2017

Less than a quarter of the firm's VPs are women. So, I'm leaning toward the first choice on this one. And something about an investment management firm putting up a protest statue on Wall Street is funny, to begin with. Kind of like the foxes putting up a chicken statue.

Puzzler

(2,505 posts)
10. I'm was trying to be fair-minded...
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 10:27 AM
Mar 2017

... the possible rightness of some of objections regard the corporate sponsor. However, your point is well taken, I should have worded the OT differently.

My own position is that this is not mere tokenism, and that, like it or not, a large percentage of all (major) art projects often use corporate money (unless directly funded by the government). However, the degree of freedom given the artist is obviously important.

Below is the article that raised some counterpoints. However, to me, it appears to go further than accuse the "Fearless Girl" of mere tokenism.

The statue is criticized/attacked on a number of levels. Some of them didn't sit well with me. For example, the author gives me the impression that they consider the statue to be:

- Fake corporate feminism
- Bad art
- Tokenism
- An appalling choice to represent women, because the statue is of a diminutive child.

But overall, I detected a whiff of snobbery in this article. Perhaps I'm wrong, but the writer's admitted unease appeared to be fueled by the sheer popularity of the statue.

The writer then goes on to state the obvious: a statue cannot make up for gender inequality. My reaction is that this is screamingly obvious, and why would anyone think otherwise?

Could the money have been better spent? Yes, quite possibly. As long as there is poverty, social injustice and a host of other "issues", then almost all money can be better spent. But that leaves art (in general) in the proverbial cold.

One salient point that the writer (and others) have overlooked, is how the "Fearless Girl" is dressed. She does not appear contemporary (to my eyes). My impression is that her garb is depression-era. Odd coincidence that, considering the Great Crash of 1929.

One final thing: apparently her ponytail is also trite. However, look at the girl's attire, her dress, her shoes... is this some kind of trite cuteness? I don't think so. She looks like she is from a poor working family.

Or maybe I'm wrong: she's just cliched, ponytailed, Hallmark Greeting Card-cuteness. And far too popular with average person to be considered art.

Lastly, I am a white male. Therefore, what I think is an appropriate symbol erected on International Women's Day, ultimately can only go so far. Hence my questions.

-Puzzler

http://hyperallergic.com/364474/the-sculpture-of-a-fearless-girl-on-wall-street-is-fake-corporate-feminism/






hatrack

(59,583 posts)
6. The hugely rich manager of a hugely rich fund cares . . . he really CARES!
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 09:27 AM
Mar 2017


I mean, it's a cool statue, but it's kind of like getting excited about an oil company because they show whales and dolphins in their TV commercials.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
8. They also are pressuring their investments to put women and minorities on their boards
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 09:29 AM
Mar 2017

And it's working.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
7. Right now corporations are our only national ally on a lot of social issues
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 09:28 AM
Mar 2017

It's big national corporations that are pushing back on racist and homophobic laws being passed at the state level. I say go for it.

onenote

(42,693 posts)
9. Its drawn attention to the underrepresentation of women on corporate boards
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 09:30 AM
Mar 2017

So why is that a bad thing?

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