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when Michael Flynn retroactively registered a foreign agent this week, he set off a bomb within the Trump-Russia scandal. Flynn is now coming clean about the half a million dollars he took from a Turkish government intermediary, and when he took it. In the process hes indirectly exposed the fact that Donald Trump and Mike Pence both knew Flynn was on the take from a hostile foreign government at the time they made him National Security Adviser.
Worse, Flynn has exposed that Trump and Pence both lied about it to the public.
Even worse than that, its blown apart the claim that Flynn was forced out because he lied to Pence about his phone calls with the Russian Ambassador.
Pence can no longer believably paint himself as this put-upon innocent character who had no idea Flynn was a dirty rat until he read about it in the headlines.
If Pence lied to the American public about knowing Flynn was dirty on Turkey, then its a reasonable assumption that Pence lied about knowing Flynn was dirty on Russia as well.
Just how much did Mike Pence know about the Russia scandal at the time? And so as bad as this is for Trump, it may be worse for Pence.
t still begs the question of why Michael Flynn is suddenly doing this. By registering now as a foreign agent, hes admitting he broke the law by not registering while he was on the take. Hes voluntarily implicating himself in a past crime in an attempt to now get himself on the right side of the law. You know who does that? Someone whos listening to his lawyer. And you know what else lawyers tell their guilty clients? Flip on your bosses and sing like a canary in exchange for leniency or immunity. Flynn is already Trump and Pences worst nightmare and its just getting started.
2naSalit
(86,564 posts)Eyeball_Kid
(7,430 posts)With the GOP owning all of the federal government, there are no checks on their behavior by any (functioning) opposition, so Trumpy could be inviting Putin to the Oval office for a game of checkers and no one in the GOP would bat an eye. And that includes the King and Queen of Lip Service, McCain and Graham.
Flynn doesn't care because the GOP doesn't care. They REFUSE to object, they refuse to investigate.
As the WP printed last night, the GOP is enabling Russia's incursion into the US government.
hibbing
(10,097 posts)Demsrule86
(68,553 posts)Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)Only 'acting' ones.
erronis
(15,241 posts)And the legislative branch is full of corruption.
The judicial branch is in severe jeopardy.
Does that leave the civil branch (the people)?
Is the military (under executive) able to keep reason?
What will the military do when the Russki's start some obviously antagonistic actions against this country?
Will the bunkers of the GOP and the Wall Street elite protect them in the long term?
I'll stay tuned as long as I can (internets and radio waves permitting.)
vlyons
(10,252 posts)n/t
RainCaster
(10,868 posts)It involves little boys and public disclosure of same...
spanone
(135,827 posts)sheshe2
(83,746 posts)OKNancy
(41,832 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)I liked him for awhile.
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)He is right on what is happening each day and he posts links to where the stories are coming from. What made you stop liking him? He is on our side and we need every reporter we can get.
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https://www.palmerreport.com/about/
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Not a source to be taken seriously.
Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)RealityChik
(382 posts)Yes, sometimes there's more of his opinion than there should be in some of his articles, but he breaks a lot of news before everybody else. It's often a good starter point on an issue, but I get validation from other sources before accepting as factual.
Raw Story used to be my first stop for breaking news, but since they went commercial 5 or so years ago, not so much. Palmer Report is now the very first stop on a long list of sources in my daily news chase.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)He uses other people's reporting in his articles (sometimes credited, sometimes not) and then throws in his own speculation.
MelissaB
(16,420 posts)What is known about PalmerReport?
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)He exaggerates and does sensational clickbait articles.
He's our version of Breitbart ( only with fewer readers)
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)I've been following him for a month and he has been right on. It sounds sensational because it is f**king sensational. He is reporting lots of the same Russia stuff that Rachael is reporting plus he has been giving links to where he is getting his stories - from reputable sites.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)and usually I can find at least 2
he seems to get info a day ahead of tv news....
plus his info is in one page, quick to read.
I agree with Nancy that sometimes his headlines are bit over done, but so far I have been able to understand a hell of a lot on what has turned out to be very fast developing events.
jodymarie aimee
(3,975 posts)don't give him any clicks and he may go bye bye again....
Earth Bound Misfit
(3,554 posts)TXCritter
(344 posts)butdiduvote
(284 posts)The Sand Reckoner
(194 posts)that is demonstrably false?
Greybnk48
(10,167 posts)Just because someone casually trashes a site doesn't make it suspect. I think he's often spot on.
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)Has he reported anything in the past month you disagree with? He has been excellent!
LisaM
(27,803 posts)He's obviously biased. I don't think everything he writes is wrong but it's slanted. I double or triple check everything he says. Fitzmas every day with that guy, too.
TXCritter
(344 posts)malaise
(268,949 posts)on Pence.
Butter please
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)From bad to worse because Ryan is younger than Trump and more connected to the GOP establishment and their owners.
Recommended.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Looks as if Pence is no better and may have enough on him to get him out...
and Ryan, if he is smart, will help with the push.
but then we got almost as bad.
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)but when was Turkey desigated as a hostile foreign government? I thought the Turks were still part of NATO.
"...Donald Trump and Mike Pence both knew Flynn was on the take from a hostile foreign government..."
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)But I don't think we support Erodogon so much.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/us-relationship-with-turkey-is-only-going-to-get-more-complicated/2016/07/16/539c4a90-4b7a-11e6-bdb9-701687974517_story.html?utm_term=.964a5f6543e4
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)We may not like him but we are still allies. I really miss journalist excellence that was the standard just a few years ago.
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)Trump, Putin and the GOP will just buy him off.
If he has a change of heart and somehow finds a conscience in that messed up, shallow conspiracy mind of his, they'll probably find him dead in a hotel room in Istanbul or somewhere like that.
If we had an honest justice department, we might have had some other criminal activity to look at but with the firing of the US Attorneys and Comey probably looking to the 2018 or 2020 election to see how he can sway that, I'm not very optimistic.
shraby
(21,946 posts)I also think Flynn is flipping on the trump cabal. If he can keep his jail sentence to a minimum, what is there that would stop him?
Loyalty is obviously not one of his character attributes.
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)the blue highlights will take you to other info to collaborate his report
The fact that Flynn just registered as a foreign agent, might mean they let him do this to avoid a felony if he talks.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Which he passes off as his own.
Such as:
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article137853773.html
Faux pas
(14,668 posts)universe!
zentrum
(9,865 posts)...be shouting about this every day.
Both DT and Pence have lied to the country. Sessions lied under oath. The Dem leadership needs to show much more outrage and to be demanding press coverage of it by themselves creating press events. They have a type of bully pulpit and they need to be more fierce. Damnit!
Not only do they need to talk about this everyday; they need to talk about all the other bad things coming out of the Trump Administration. They need to talk about the new rule that allows coal companies to dump waste into our waterways. They also need to talk about the rule that allows oil and gas companies to not disclose that they have bribed a foreign government. Democrats need to scream from the rooftops that Trump claimed he would get rid of corruption, but instead he has lead an administration that is promoting corruption.
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)with lots of Raw Story posts because they have the best headlines to wake up the sleepers.
klebean
(284 posts)He also does stand-up comedy. For real. He's my congress critter xxx
I laughed out loud when I heard Schiff on the TV say that Hair Twittler "deliberately made up wiretap charges, or more troubling, he believes it. Either way, I've not seen a shred of evidence."
Schiff has been speaking out every day, if not on Twitter, then in front of the TV cameras.
He's our liberal provocateur!
Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)tomp
(9,512 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)That this helps things along.
PatrickforO
(14,570 posts)We must get to the bottom of this. And we must DRAIN THE SWAMP of any traitors.
ffr
(22,669 posts)And it's getting worse, as these are serious allegations. Lying. Cover-up. Corruption. Breaches of national security with the knowledge of both the pResident and VP.
Enjoy the sound of what you're suspicious of.
Greybnk48
(10,167 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Nobody is connecting the dots as well as she is.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)The GOP with the exception of a few just don't care.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)what is the penalty?
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)We can expect an arrest soon?
Oh, that's right, silly me, this is bizzaro world.
randr
(12,411 posts)erpowers
(9,350 posts)I do not think Michael Flynn registered as a foreign agent because his lawyer told him to do so. I think he did so because he is angry that Donald Trump and Mike Pence turned on him. Flynn may be looking for payback.
He likely thought since Trump and Pence knew he was working for Turkey and meeting with Russians during and after the election they were going to stick with him when it was proven that he had met with the Russian ambassador. The moment the truth came out both men acted as if they did not know what Flynn was doing, acted as if he had lied to them, and pushed him out of the administration, or allowed him to leave the administration.
We should remember how Trump raked Hillary Clinton over the coals for not sticking with Debbie Wasserman-Schultz during the DNC hacking scandal. Flynn likely thought Trump would stick with him since Trump made such a big deal over loyalty during the DNC hacking scandal. It has been said, Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. I think the same thing can be said of men and friends. Sometimes a person will turn on you if they think you have not been loyal enough to them, especially if they broke the law for you.
GoCubsGo
(32,080 posts)They'll step on everyone to save their own asses, including each other. They'd stab their own mothers in the back, if they though it would get them what they wanted.
tblue37
(65,336 posts)displacedtexan
(15,696 posts)This wouldn't be the first time a serious tax cheat used valuable info on his/her bosses to avoid a lengthy prison sentence because of IRS problems.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,134 posts)Being a Russian agent is so de rigeur right now
The non-progressive public doesn't care. The GOP is using PR techniques to make
Russia and supporting Trump a patriotic duty. People are so ignorant of what is happening,
what this means for them, the effects of Trump policies on their lives and health. SAD!
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Not an actual news source. Bear that in mind.
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)He always puts reference links throught out his articles in blue. I've learned much about Russia/republicans from Rachael ,Bill Palmer and Malcolm Nance.
He is fighting the good fight and putting out news others are not (with lots of links) - so what's the problem?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2016/11/reports_claiming_the_election_was_rigged_are_wrong.html
He is pretty much always wrong about everything that he thinks up in his basement on his own.
The only accurate information on that site are things he cites from other websites.
Edit to add: He also does not have "other reporters" - and he himself is not a reporter. He has a handful of "political writers" which is basically the equivalent of "people who post their thoughts on discussion boards".
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)Palmer is onto some more good stuff today.
During Trump campaign, Michael Flynn met with Turkish minister who does oil business with ISISo know that Flynn had recently met with a guy who does business with ISIS?
By Bill Palmer | March 12, 2017 |
It turns out Donald Trump and Michael Flynn have a much bigger problem on their hands than the mere fact that Flynn was on the take from a foreign government and Trump knew about it. Flynn was paid half a million dollars by a Turkish government intermediary to represent its interests while he was working for the Trump campaign and administration and the guy who paid Flynn also set him up with a meeting with a Turkish minister who does oil business with ISIS.
Michael Flynn now admits he took $530,000 in consulting money from Turkish businessman Ekim Alptekin. In turn, Alptekin admits he set up a meeting in September between Flynn and two members of the Turkish government. According to this Associated Press report, Flynns own recent government filings state that he met with Turkeys ministers of foreign affairs and energy. The latter is almost certainly a reference to the Turkish Minister of Energy and Natural Resources, also informally known as the Minister of Oil. Thats a man by the name of Berat Albayrak. And thats a big problem for Flynn and Trump.
According to hacked and stolen leaked emails which The Independent reported on, Berat Albayrak does business with a company thats been implicated in deals with ISIS-controlled oil fields. In other words, while he was a Donald Trump campaign adviser, Michael Flynn held a meeting with a Turkish minister who does business with ISIS terrorists.
Congressman Elijah Cummings sent a publicly available letter to Mike Pences office on November 18th, alerting him to Michael Flynns financial arrangement with Turkey. That means Pence, and assuredly Trump, knew Flynn was on Turkeys payroll when they decided to appoint him National Security Adviser. Did they als
http://www.palmerreport.com/news/isis-michael-flynn-turkey-minister/1894/
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That article is a good example of him taking accurate information reported on by other legitimate news sources (the Associated Presss and the Independent) and then embellishing it with statements that he pretends are his own, but actually come from other sources that he does not name or credit (to wit: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article137853773.html).
TXCritter
(344 posts)Response to TXCritter (Reply #92)
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oberliner
(58,724 posts)Not a Clickbait site that steals other people's reporting and passes it off as their own (and throws in some BS speculation now and then for good measure).
Hulk
(6,699 posts)...if this country's government starts to follow the path of 45's admirable idol, Russia.
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)Randi Rhodes has been out there too - she had Malcolm Nance on for almost an hour a few weeks ago.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)it has become so functionally with the autocratic response to the failed coup.
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)a Mormon/Scientologist. Why did Flynn think he could return him to the Ukraine ? Gulen has taxpayer-funded schools in the US ???? There was a video spot about his schools in Turkey - they looked better than US schools and the first graders were all learning English.
Trained as a prayer leader, Gulen gained notice in Turkey some 50 years ago, promoting a philosophy that blended a mystical form of Islam with staunch advocacy of democracy, education, science and interfaith dialogue.
Supporters started 1,000 schools in more than 100 countries, including about 150 taxpayer-funded charter schools throughout the U.S. In Turkey, they have run universities, hospitals, charities, a bank and a large media empire with newspapers and radio and TV stations. His group is called Hizmet, which means service.
He once worked alongside Erdogan but the two have split. Erdogan has vowed Gulen will be punished for his role in the overthrow attempt.
The pro-Gulen Lehigh Dialogue Center issued a statement denouncing the overthrow attempt Saturday afternoon.
"For more than 40 years, Fethullah Gulen and Hizmet participants have advocated for, and demonstrated their commitment to, peace and democracy. We have consistently denounced military interventions in domestic politics. These are core values of Hizmet participants. We condemn any military intervention in domestic politics of Turkey," the statement says.
http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/07/rare_look_at_exiled_turkish_cl.html
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)It couldn't be more obvious to me who these guys really work for, both Gulen and Flynn ...
oasis
(49,376 posts)vlyons
(10,252 posts)So now I guess Flynn gets the booby prize. I always thought it would be Manafort. Of course, they may be several, who are quietly singing the snitch song that we don't know about - yet. The thing about Flynn is that he is into pay back and vengence. He better watch his back that someone doesn't serve him a plutonium martini. Or as my ex-con neighbor says, "A snitch is a bitch in a ditch."
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)pointing the way to the border.
Michael Flynn once claimed Arabic signs on southern border guide 'radicalized Muslims' into US
(CNN)Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, Donald Trump's pick to be his national security adviser, claimed in an August radio interview that Arabic signs were present along the United States border with Mexico to guide potential state-sponsored terrorists and "radicalized Muslims" into the United States.
Flynn further said in the interview he had personally seen photos of such signs in Texas.
A CNN KFile review of available information about the terror threat along the US-Mexico border could not corroborate Flynn's claim. CNN's KFile asked Flynn for clarification about the Arabic signs, but received no reply. A Trump transition spokesman declined to comment. A spokesperson for the US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) "respectfully" declined to comment.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/08/politics/kfile-michael-flynn-arabic-signs-on-border/
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,999 posts)Demsrule86
(68,553 posts)a foreign agent...this is why it was retroactive...and Pence was notified about this during the transition...so the story about how Flynn lied is pure bullshit.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)I think he was just a carrier, a gut feeling on my part.
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)which was "supposedly" doing research on Gulen.
Mr. Flynn was assigned to investigate Fethullah Gulen, a Turkish cleric who lives in Pennsylvania and was blamed by Mr. Erdogan for helping instigate the failed coup. Mr. Erdogan has demanded the United States extradite Mr. Gulen, which the Obama administration refused to do.
The forms filed this week indicate that Mr. Flynns firm was to perform investigative research on Mr. Gulen and develop a short film piece on the results of its investigation. In the end, the video was never completed, and Mr. Flynns firm received $530,000 before the contract terminated in November. But on Election Day, Mr. Flynn published an op-ed article in The Hill, a newspaper serving Congress, calling Mr. Gulen a shady Islamic mullah and radical Islamist.
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In the interview in October, Mr. Flynn offered only a vague description of the firm. He said he had clients in Japan and the Middle East and that he worked on cybertraining, aviation operations and energy business.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/us/politics/michael-flynn-turkey.html
Amaryllis
(9,524 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I don't get it.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)thus Trump said he fired Flynn for lying to Pence.
Except..Pence knew, in November:
This means that the Donald Trump administration went on to appoint Michael Flynn as its National Security Adviser even though Mike Pence knew Flynn was taking Turkish money. It also means Mike Pence was lying this week when he claimed in this interview with Fox News host Bret Baier that he wasnt aware of Flynns Turkey situation until he heard about it from the media. This is a remarkable development considering that the Trump administration framed Flynns firing last month as having been a result of Flynn lying to Pence about his repeated phone calls with the Russian Ambassador.
Amaryllis
(9,524 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)kentuck
(111,079 posts)you just knew the shit was bad.
AC_Mem
(1,979 posts)NO WAY are there innocents who are unknowledgeable at the top. They know, and think they are above the law. I'm afraid that many many people have bought into one of the greatest tragedies of American history.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)😃👍🏾
madville
(7,408 posts)Turkey is a NATO ally.
nocalflea
(1,387 posts)don't know if he's smart enough to flip.
MedusaX
(1,129 posts)Flynn has also established a connection between his being paid & 45 being subject to manipulation by Turkey ....
income from 45's Istanbul Tower could be cut off if 45 does not do as Turkey wishes.....
Extradition Swap?
The conflicts between the commercial interests of the Trump family and U.S. foreign policy extend beyond the many financial benefits for the next president and his children. Already, there is a situation in which the president of the United States could be blackmailed by a foreign power through pressure related to his familys business entanglements.
More .....
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/12/23/donald-trump-foreign-business-deals-jeopardize-us-531140.html
This section is pretty far down in the article ...
Hekate
(90,645 posts)I don't know why it had not occurred to me before that he had lawyered up. Hmmmmm.
OnDoutside
(19,954 posts)1) When Congressman Cummings sent the letter to Pence on November 18 warning him of the Flynn-Turkey issue, did Pence reply to/acknowledge receipt of his letter ?
2) During the time Flynn was not registered as a Foreign Agent, but receiving classified briefings, did some of those briefings include discussions on Turkey ?
Nitram
(22,791 posts)TXCritter
(344 posts)not fooled
(5,801 posts)That should scare the Jebus out of Flynn. I wouldn't want that guy coming after me.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)C_U_L8R
(44,998 posts)gonna take them all down with him - hilariously