Time for a daylight savings time revolt

[Generic Other]

I am in bed early unable to sleep knowing my sleep patterns will be all screwed up for the next week at the very least. And why do I have to put up with this twice a year? Because some twit efficiency expert decided I needed to be optimized like a well-oiled tool for the good of society.

So fuck that. I propose tomorrow and every daylight saving time change be met with mass tardiness, absenteeism, and low morale until the rascals who enforce this stupidity decide to stop screwing with us. I am not a tool.

I yawn in your face. And I work like a zombie drone robot on sleeping pills. In my pajamas. Or I call in sick. Up yours corporate overseers. Speed up the assembly line. I am sleeping in!

Let's turn this into a movement folks. A work slowdown movement. How long before we can get them to turn off the time machine? Power to the people not a damn cuckoo clock.

[chillfactor]

1. I LOVE Daylight Savings Time....

I look forward to it every year and I NEVER have trouble adjusting my sleeping schedule...life goes on as it normally does. I do not know why so many of you complain about the switch in time.....most of us have no problem with it at all.

[question everything]

2. I think the complains really last only a day or two

until our bodies adjust.

Easy for me to say, though, I am retired, can sleep as long as I need and don't have to worry about tired drivers on the road who, of course, continue to use their "devices."

[Generic Other]

3. If most have no problems

why are we complaining? Hmmmm....enjoy being a control freak. I will think of you at 5 am when I get up.

[pat_k]

6. I'd be happy to say on daylight savings year round

And if we could, we'd have one less hour of DT in the WH.

[Generic Other]

10. Wait we lose an hour of TRUMP?

That's worth the risk of a heart attack I guess.

Can someone sing me a lullaby, please?

[pat_k]

15. Well, only if we don't go back in fall.

I'm all for a revolt against getting back that lost hour!

[Warpy]

28. YEAR ROUND DST! NO MORE "STANDARD" TIME!

No more grumpy people with disturbed sleep patterns, no more wasting daylight in the early morning when even if we're up, we're not really awake--save it for the evening when we are.

Cast aside the tyranny of time that assumes Grennwich is the center of the planet! DST forever!

Who's with me on this?

[Maru Kitteh]

41. YES!!!

[muriel_volestrangler]

59. You want Detroit to have sunrise at 9am in the winter? (nt)

[Warpy]

67. It's no worse than having it ag 8 AM

People are going to work 6-8 in the dark. They come home at night in the dark. At least this would give them a little sunlight in the evening, when they can use it.

I lived in Boston for over 20 years. Not seeing the sun for months is beyond depressing. "Standard time" must die.

[muriel_volestrangler]

78. Being on permanent 'saving' time is silly. What you're asking for is a change in work pattern

One of the fundamental ideas of time keeping is to start with 'noon' (it the average time when the sun it due south) being 12 o'clock - at least somewhere. For convenience in national and international coordination, that has started with Greenwich in London being the centre of that time zone, and other time zones differing by an hour, and thus centered 15 degrees away from each other (unless, like India, you decide to go for a half hour difference).

The idea of daylight savings schemes is that people prefer to get up earlier, compared to noon, in summer; and this allows this without having to change the timetables of work, transport and school places - you change the clocks instead. If you decide not to "use daylight savings time permanently", then you put the place where noon is 12 o'clock permanently outside the time zone. Why not actually stay with the idea of the sun being due south at noon, and then set the working/school times you want accordingly? If you want to start 5 hours before the sun is due south, then start at 7am.

However, many people will prefer to use sleep patterns that are closer to what we evolved with, that is getting up earlier in summer, and then starting work earlier too, rather than having an industrial timetable keep it fixed. So they'd be happier with a form of daylight savings.

[Warpy]

81. Swapping back and forth is silly

Also silly is thinking time is somehow fixed across a time zone. It's not. Following the sun to gauge midday is silly since we don't use sun dials.

And we evolved with several sleep patterns, the better to keep watch at night when some were sleeping. Others were awake to tend the fire and keep predators away. Otherwise, we'd have been wiped out thousands of years ago.

Thinking your own sleep/wake pattern is the only sensible one is silly, also.

DST wouldn't change getting up in the dark, people already do that in winter, especially in northern latitudes. What it would do is give them a little light at the end of the day that they are awake enough to enjoy, cutting the seasonal depression so many people feel during standard time when they can go weeks without seeing the sun unless they skip lunch and go for walks, instead.

[muriel_volestrangler]

82. If you want to fix the time, then fix it by the sun

not your idea of what the clock should read when you start work. The sun is shared between millions in your locality; your work isn't.

[pnwmom]

32. Me, too. The only thing better would be year-round, like we had for those few years way back when.

[Silver Gaia]

35. Year-round! Year-round! Year-round!

I always FEEL so much better in DST. That extra PM hour of sunlight makes a difference for me--a positive difference.

[Silver Gaia]

33. YES!!!

I love it, too!

[Foamfollower]

38. So do I

[cwydro]

40. I just wish they'd leave the time alone.

Pick one or the other time and leave it.

Some states don't even observe it from what I understand.

[djg21]

57. Me too.

DST should be kept year round. It is nice to have daylight after work hours. I hate going to work in the dark, and then leaving in the dark at the end of the day.

[Dem2]

87. Agreed - let's make it permanent.

[More_Cowbell]

4. Daylight Saving (no s) time....

Might be hazardous to your health
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/11/131101-when-does-daylight-savings-time-end-november-3-science/

California legislators have been trying to pass a bill for voters to vote on for a few years, but it hasn't made it even to a full vote of the legislature.

[Generic Other]

8. This article explains my response

Hope I avoid having the big one tomorrow. Ack!

Now I'll not sleep at all.

[Warpy]

29. LIARS!! It's the change that harms people's health, not DST

not getting that extra hour of sunlight in the evening, when they can enjoy it.

[LisaM]

5. I live in Seattle and I need this switch.

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It gets so flipping dark here. I hate walking home from my bus in the pitch black for three months. Almost everyone I know in Washington State is rejoicing! I get a real spring in my step going home from work in the light.

[Generic Other]

7. I live here too

I am fine with this switch. But don't ever want them to switch it back again. Just make up their freaking minds and stick with it.

[ribrepin]

20. I'm with you

Choose one and stick with it.

[smirkymonkey]

58. Yes, just keep it where we have more light in the evening

and let it stay there. No turning the clocks back again in the winter.

[trackfan]

9. DST is pure folly.

I reprise this old post of mine, oh, about twice a year:

People on the Left and Right will complain endlessly about how much they hate big government. Yet virtually 100% of the population will willingly acquiesce to having the government tell them it is noon when it is really an hour before noon. If you live anywhere in the vicinity of a rooster (that's a cock for you Brits - we're too babyish for that word in America), you know what folly DST is.

[Generic Other]

12. Conform or else citizen

You know what happened to Galileo for making sense!

[Warpy]

30. Few of us live that way now, so admit it, DST makes more sense

Farmers don't go by the clock, anyway, they go by the needs of their livestock and fields. They generally don't give a damn what the clock says unless it's time to go in for lunch.

[Generic Other]

47. I just want consistent time

My body does not get used to the switching. I am willing to stick with the Spring change if we can can the Fall one.

[muriel_volestrangler]

34. Are you saying that roosters wake up at the same time of day, all year round?

I was under the impression that they adjust the time they wake with the time of the sunrise. Which is what DST does.

[trackfan]

86. No - I'm just saying that if the rooster sings

at a certain time on March 11, there's no reason to call that same time, or very close thereabouts, on March 12, by a different name. I guess "cockcrow" is more accurate than any assigned number.

[JI7]

11. fuck dst

[Throck]

13. Wake me in an hour.

[Generic Other]

16. I am still up so I may be able to give you a wake-up call alright!

I think I figured it out. I am a grumpy morning person who will go to work yawning in the dark and will be snoring when the sun is out later in the day. No wonder I hate it!


For Throck in an hour:

[Throck]

24. The secret to beating daylight savings time............

Is learning how to nap. Boring staff meetings are a good time to practice.

[snooper2]

63. I take it you don't fly very often

[demosincebirth]

14. I love it!

[Hugo24601]

17. I will join you!

[progree]

18. I love and adore the extra hour of daylight in the evening

I wish it were year-round, except then stores and businesses and govt offices and schools etc. would probably migrate to later opening and closing times, so we'd be in the same situation as before - not much or no daylight after work.

[Generic Other]

22. I realized I am a grumpy morning person

I will be snoring by the time you are enjoying your day. At the moment I am counting sheep. I was almost asleep when I spotted Steve Bannon and kellyanne trying to cull the herd.

[Tikki]

73. Me too...

Love a Summer evening at the beach at 8:30 pm.


Tikki

[pnwmom]

76. Me, too! Wish it were year-round -- like it was for a few years during an energy crisis. n/t

[pangaia]

19. If 1 hour bothers you..don't try flying to Beijing

[meadowlander]

21. On the plus side, one hour closer to the end of the Trump presidency

and also:

[Generic Other]

23. Haha

A half full or half empty cup of phlegm?

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

25. Have you ever crossed a time zone?

Do you understand that it takes one day to adjust to each hour of time zone crossed? And that switching to or from DST is like crossing one time zone?

Complain all you want today. By tomorrow you should be adjusted.

Oh, and to add to this, hardly anyone has to go to work at 8 in the morning the day DST goes into effect. So all of you who have a normal job that is Monday through Friday with Holidays off, get no sympathy from me.

I worked at DCA (Washington National Airport) from January 1969 to August, 1979. I worked a variable shift, sometimes starting at 6am, sometimes ending at 11pm. Sometimes I worked turn-around, which meant I worked the late shift one night, and the morning shift the next day. Sometimes that meant I got off at 1am and had to be at work at 6am. If you've never worked that kind of schedule, please don't ask for pity about a one hour time change.

Further details about that job: Often we worked until 2am or later. I recall times we called up the morning shift at 3 am and asked if they'd come in a bit early so we could finally go home.

So please don't piss and moan about a mere one hour time change. Until you've worked a job where you literally did not know when you'd finally finish and get to go home, you have nothing to complain about.

One time I drew the short straw and had to stay when one of our flights diverted to Baltimore, and several (6, maybe 8) passengers were supposed to arrive at DCA in cabs. I waited, and waited, and finally at about 2 am, with great trepidation, decided that none of them were going to show up and went up. Trust me, I worried enormously, just in case I'd misjudged by five or ten minutes. I found out the next day that all of the diverted passengers were accommodated and went somewhere other than to the airport.

The point of that story is, that if you've never waited several hours for customers to show up, if you've never been stuck at the job for several hours, if you get to go home at the end of the day and you always get weekends and holidays off, then please don't complain. One hour change is trivial. Trust me. And if you don't want to trust me, then take a trip that has you crossing at least five time zones, and then get back to me.

[Warpy]

31. Thank you for that dose of sanity

While I wish we'd have DST all year, I'll take anything that shuts up the one hour time difference whiners.

I've crossed multiple time zones before and within a week, I'm back to my own lousy hours.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

39. Keep in mind that year round DST

means in the winter kids get to wait for the bus in total darkness. The last time we tried this kids waiting for bussess got run down at their bus stops. Shudder.

And you made the point about crossing time zones. The switch to or off DST is the equivalent of crossing one time zone. On. The rule of thumb is that you take one day per tine zone to adjust. And since most people don't have to show up to work at 8 am on the Sunday of the change, you can all stop complaining. I've worked where I need to show up to work the day that DST is in effect, an actually I needed to be on the job more like 6am. So all of you who have until Monday to adjust can get over it. This is exactly the same as if you crossed one time zone. Get over it.

Meanwhile, we now have the delight of a longer evening, I love it. And I suspect that all of you, espe9cally those who have most piissed and moaned about DST, all of you embrace the later evenings that DST brings us.

And don't bother to bring up Arizona. I lived there the one year we had DST. 1967. In much of the state, Tucson and Phoenix specifically, DST makes no sense. If is so freaking hot in those cities, that there is no point in extending the evening by another hou8r. Let the sun set and be done with it. Okay, so staying on standard time does mean that the sun rises by 5 am in the middle of summer, but most people there don't care. But no one is going outside anyway. Trust me, the only way ti dress for the weather there is to wear an air conditioned car.

[Warpy]

66. Ah, yes, the suburban kiddies waiting in the dark

I don't suppose it's ever occurred to them to start school later in the winter. Teenagers would love it.

You do bright up a good point about southern AZ and how the temperatures only plunge to the 90s when the sun goes down. Yes, there's a reason they need to have their own time zone. Next door in NM, the altitude keeps us quite a bit cooler.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

72. Actually, most high schools start

far too early for the students. I recall reading some years back that a school district somewhere (Minneapolis maybe?) shifted the start time of high school to something like 9am. Lo and behold, the kids were no longer falling asleep in class. Yeah, they got out later, but grades and behavior improved immensely.

I happen to be a natural afternoon shift person myself.

In Santa Fe you can even do without a/c.

[Warpy]

74. I've done without it for five years

here in the big city south of Santa Fe. I've discovered I don't mind hot, dry air as much as I mind soggy, slightly cooler air. Since the desert cools off rapidly after dark, a window fan in the bedroom works just fine for sleeping.

But yes, high schools should start later than others, it makes a big difference for teenagers whose circadian rhythms are temporarily screwed up. Mine are permanently screwed up, my mother often saying that I had my days and nights mixed up from infancy. Thank goodness for banking, health care and show biz. All three of them afforded me evening and night shift work.

[aikoaiko]

26. Haven't you ever gotten up an hour early?

I want it to stick one way or the other, but come on, getting up an hour early is not really a hardship.

[Generic Other]

53. I see your point but am mighty cranky at 5 AM

Silly me.

[Warren DeMontague]

27. It sure makes DU cranky, every year, like clockwork.

I sympathize, really, I do. Still, I suspect we're stuck with it.

Personally, I don't mind. I like getting the extra hour in the fall and losing the extra hour in the spring quickly is made up for by the fact that it stays light so much later.

[muriel_volestrangler]

36. Tip: get up half an hour earlier on the Saturday before the clocks change

Then you only have half an hour to adjust on the Sunday, and for most people, neither day is a work day, so on neither day is there a timetable forcing you to do something right after you've got up.

[Generic Other]

52. I always try this

I already have trouble sleeping, so any changes cause disruption. I finally fell asleep at 1:00 AM. And got up at 5:00 AM. Hope I don't walk into any walls this morning!

[VOX]

79. Yes! I change my clocks on the Friday before DST...

Just to get a jump on the mental shift. It's an enormous help.

[GWC58]

37. I thought I'd sleep well last night.

Not so! That's even after taking a few Tylenol PM's and a cup of Sleepytime Extra. I'm tired and I hate feeling this way. Maybe I can get some shut eye after dropping my 11 year old @ school. I'm also thinking about my wife's upcoming surgery later today. Rotator cuff surgery. I think a muscle will have to be reconnected. My wife said she does feel fortunate to have a husband like me. That swelled my head. LOL!! 😇

[Generic Other]

48. We tossed and turned in the same pattern

[DrDan]

42. so you have never traveled across a time zone . . . or had a meltdown when you did . . ..

[GWC58]

85. Crossing the

International Dateline was odd. "Advance all clocks 24 hours."

[madokie]

43. Pick either one and leave it at that

fuck this back and forth shit. IMO

[Generic Other]

49. Why do so many act like we are being unreasonable in this simple request?

Such compliant obedient citizens. Welcome to the authoritarian state! Keep us all on our toes.

[DrDan]

83. "authoritarian state"? - priceless - perhaps some of us are a tad more flexible and don't let

little things like this put our panties in a twist

[Vinca]

44. DST is the least of our worries.

At this point I'm hoping we'll all be alive to turn the clocks back again.

[Generic Other]

50. This is true

but I need to feel rested to revolt!

[ProfessorGAC]

45. Wouldn't Work In The Fall

7 am would now be 6am and everyone would show up early not late!

[Blue_Tires]

46. CO-SIGNED

[MineralMan]

51. I can think of about 1000 issues that are more important in this

year of a disastrous Trump administration. Losing an hour of sleep isn't one of them. Yesterday, i was drowsy all day. But it was Sunday, so I took a nap in the afternoon and didn't do any work. I got 9 hours of sleep last night, and I'm ready to go this morning (Monday).

I don't care about these one hour time shifts. They're not worth worrying about, in my opinion.

We don't need a movement against Daylight Savings Time. We need a movement to fight Donald Trump's nefarious plans. Those are important things. An hour more or less for one day isn't.

Sorry. Have a nap. Get over it.

[MineralMan]

60. You should sleep more, probably.

But, nobody I know is having brain surgery, and I didn't know you were a neurosurgeon. If that's true, then you should definitely work out a better sleep schedule. In a profession like that, you must know people who can assist you in getting the sleep you need to do such delicate work. I doubt that Daylight Savings Time changes are the source of your sleep problem, frankly.

Yes, I'm an old geezer. i'm 71 years old, which means I've been through at least 140 of these time changes in my life. Not once have I considered protesting them. I've had so many other things to protest, like civil rights, abortion rights, wars, and other stuff, that I haven't really thought about an hour here and there. If I ever need brain surgery, I'll make sure to ask the neurosurgeon how he or she manages sleep issues, though.

Ageism sucks, by the way.

[Generic Other]

61. Ride that high horse cowboy!

If Ben Carson can do brain surgery, so can I.

[MineralMan]

62. So, you're not a brain surgeon after all?

OK, then.

[dem4decades]

64. I thought brain surgeons could schedule the tIme of their

Operations, instead of cutting that melon open at 8 do it at 9. I'm not a brain surgeon and I figured that one out

[lagomorph777]

54. DST is idiocy.

Guess what, we do not actually control the rotation of the Earth. I know, this will come as a shock to those (Republicans) who think the Earth is flat.

[LanternWaste]

71. Which is pretty much why I think the passions both ways

"Guess what, we do not actually control the rotation of the Earth..."

Which is pretty much why I think the passions both ways in regards to one arbitrary, make-believe measure of time is so much better or so much worse than another arbitrary, make believe measure of time.

"I know this will come as a shock to those (anyone) who think one arbitrary measure is better than the other..."

[randr]

55. There are dozens of times a year

I may stay out late or have to get up early. Usually take a lazy Sunday to "get over" it. Big deal. I like to get up early, five to six, and will miss the recently returned light for a week of so. The added time of day light at days end is like having an extra day to finish up yard and garden work in the cooler evening.
In reality, despite all the whining, nothing changes. The amount of day and dark are in their own syncopation and nature could give a flying * about human wants.

[taught_me_patience]

65. Haters gonna hate

Complainers gonna complain.

[Buckeyeblue]

68. Having light until almos 10:30 pm in the summer

Is worth a couple of days of screwed up sleep.

[Butterflies]

69. I'm with you

I hated getting up in the dark this morning, and I've been half-asleep here at my desk all morning. I would like the whole DST thing to be voted on by the country so we could decide by majority if it will keep happening. I vote NO.

[Xolodno]

70. Like many here...pick one and stay with it.

And all the "but all the kids will wait in the dark at the Bus Stop!" and "those of us in <insert northern state> hate coming to and leaving work in the dark" etc.

Easy solution.... change the start time. Have differing winter and summer start time.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

75. I'm hoping for a corporate-wide teleconference ...

... so I can get an extra hour of sleep.

Phone on "mute", so I can snore in peace.

[NamesDave]

77. March

For end of daylight savings?

Our voices are fearless, lets begin this revolution

[Blue_true]

80. I like the extra hour of daylight.

I have learned to set my clocks ahead early Saturday night and go to sleep early that night. Really makes the change seamless, except for the extra daylight at the end of the day.

[hunter]

84. Clocks are evil. Everything that's wrong with modern society I blame on clocks.

Clocks only ought to be legal for medical purposes; knowing when to take your medicine and such, or measuring pulse rates.

Yeah, I know it would crash our modern high energy industrial society, employees wandering in and out whenever they feel like it, but modern high energy industrial society is what got us into this mess in the first place.

Okay, I'm not being entirely serious, but I loathe daylight savings time. Fortunately I've always lived near enough the equator that getting up an hour before the sun rises generally works for me all year round.

[Dem2]

88. DST full time then