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PsychoBabble

(837 posts)
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 10:51 AM Mar 2017

Juan Williams: An unpleasant 'TrumpCare' Surprise

http://thehill.com/opinion/juan-williams/323617-juan-williams-an-unpleasant-trumpcare-surprise

How can President Trump and the GOP Congress escape the political damage from their failed pledge to produce a better healthcare plan than ObamaCare — one that covers more people, offers more choice and is cheaper?

If Congress can’t pass the current flawed Republican plan, Trump told leading conservative groups last week, he has a Plan B. It is to keep badmouthing the Affordable Care Act as a “disaster” and then blame Democrats when ObamaCare collapses.

He is going to need a Plan C because there is a big problem with Plan B.


If the Affordable Care Act ever fails, it will be because of Republicans.
It was Senate Republicans, led by Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, who drained money from “risk corridors” created to protect insurance companies from losing money.

And Republicans in 19 states refused to expand Medicaid, keeping about 4 million eligible Americans away from health insurance offered by ObamaCare.


Juan goes on to explain the many ways Repubs will own this disaster ...
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Juan Williams: An unpleasant 'TrumpCare' Surprise (Original Post) PsychoBabble Mar 2017 OP
I don't believe 45care will help Americans bdamomma Mar 2017 #1
That's because it is Don-T-Care / DonTcare / Don'Tcare. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #20
I agree, but Democrats need to get out there and make sure that people understand it. Caliman73 Mar 2017 #2
I agree and even on DU I got flak about the need for Dems to run ads against new GOP ads flamingdem Mar 2017 #4
And the flak I got - very common here on DU - is that it's a waste of time to educate deplorables flamingdem Mar 2017 #5
True. Caliman73 Mar 2017 #10
Ceding the info battlefield is never a good plan n2doc Mar 2017 #13
Exactly, the story has to be told very clearly and that includes pointing out RW lies flamingdem Mar 2017 #14
Read last night, not sure where,I was falling asleep, that cancer patients are notdarkyet Mar 2017 #18
Ads are good DownriverDem Mar 2017 #19
Yes, I have recurring donations to DNC and DCCC Fast Walker 52 Mar 2017 #23
+1. Now more than ever, ACA needs to be widely known as ObamaCare. Contrast with GOP greatest. nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #21
The hard part will be getting Trumplodytes to believe the truth... Wounded Bear Mar 2017 #3
And that's the way that they like it Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2017 #7
But we all have access to the best care in the world... Wounded Bear Mar 2017 #9
Access don't mean nothing Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2017 #12
This is a TERRIFIC point. calimary Mar 2017 #28
Like Someone Here Said Last Week (I Think) ProfessorGAC Mar 2017 #29
just pausing here to say how amazingly awesome a word Trumplodytes is ProfessorPlum Mar 2017 #11
Yes, deeply underfunding the risk corridors vlyons Mar 2017 #6
He's not worried about the truth Renew Deal Mar 2017 #8
Talk it into the ground and blame the failure on the other side. Baitball Blogger Mar 2017 #15
Are there any pleasant surprises in the TrumpCare proposal? gratuitous Mar 2017 #16
I don't understand why the media and the Democrats don't start telling the public....... Jim Beard Mar 2017 #30
That's not Trump's plan. Orrex Mar 2017 #17
since conservatives own a large swath of the media, they will have no problem getting that message Fast Walker 52 Mar 2017 #22
Yes. Sadly, they've mastered the art. Orrex Mar 2017 #24
"Half of a century" huh, maybe John Birch? Jim Beard Mar 2017 #31
While Williams is right NewJeffCT Mar 2017 #25
If a republican proposed it you know gopiscrap Mar 2017 #26
If he were smart he'd do the same thing he's doing with the current economy Johonny Mar 2017 #27

bdamomma

(63,799 posts)
1. I don't believe 45care will help Americans
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 10:54 AM
Mar 2017

when have the repigs ever done anything to help the American people?????? I hear crickets chirping.

Caliman73

(11,725 posts)
2. I agree, but Democrats need to get out there and make sure that people understand it.
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 10:55 AM
Mar 2017

The people in the bubble will only hear what Fox, Breibart, etc... tell them. Democrats need to be out on every corner of the internet, print media, radio, and television reminding everyone that the Republicans crippled the bill.

flamingdem

(39,308 posts)
4. I agree and even on DU I got flak about the need for Dems to run ads against new GOP ads
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 11:05 AM
Mar 2017

because people in red states still don't know that Obamacare = ACA.

A Repub Rep from Kentucky who supports ACA was on tele today saying just this, they are only now waking up to the fact of impending loss of their insurance.

flamingdem

(39,308 posts)
5. And the flak I got - very common here on DU - is that it's a waste of time to educate deplorables
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 11:07 AM
Mar 2017

I totally disagree and so does Bernie.

Just as you say they only have propaganda like Fox and they need information. Let's face it even those with access to balanced information don't always understand insurance.

Caliman73

(11,725 posts)
10. True.
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 11:17 AM
Mar 2017

Even if it isn't reaching the most vehement Trump supporters, 46% of the people in the country did not vote in the last election. The message needs to go out to those people and to people who "thought Trump would change things" Well, he did. He made things worse, just like Republicans always tend to make things worse, then Democrats come in and clean it up, then get blamed for it not being perfect.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
13. Ceding the info battlefield is never a good plan
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 11:43 AM
Mar 2017

Just like in 2010 when we did not do a good job refuting the RW lies about the ACA.

flamingdem

(39,308 posts)
14. Exactly, the story has to be told very clearly and that includes pointing out RW lies
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 11:49 AM
Mar 2017

Somehow the Dems are still too nice. They need to be blunt and as you say never cede the info battlefield.

notdarkyet

(2,226 posts)
18. Read last night, not sure where,I was falling asleep, that cancer patients are
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 12:02 PM
Mar 2017

Freaking out about losing their aca and an interruption in their treatment.

DownriverDem

(6,226 posts)
19. Ads are good
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 12:03 PM
Mar 2017

Have you donated to the Dems so they can afford the ads? The Dems are not rich like the repubs. We are the ones who have to finance any ads.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
23. Yes, I have recurring donations to DNC and DCCC
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 12:37 PM
Mar 2017

and everyone who can donate, should. But we need a lot more money and importantly more media power.

Wounded Bear

(58,598 posts)
3. The hard part will be getting Trumplodytes to believe the truth...
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 10:55 AM
Mar 2017

Core Repubs won't believe the truth about how the Repub Party has always done its very best to undermine and block the ACA.

In the end, Repubs don't want people to get the healthcare they need. Their "market-based" systems will always leave huge swaths of the populace out in the cold.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,392 posts)
12. Access don't mean nothing
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 11:21 AM
Mar 2017

if you don't have the money to actually, you know, ACCESS it. I don't understand how so many people- and everybody has had to interact with a hospital and/or doctor at some point- know how expensive medical care, insurance, etc. is and complain (rightly) about how bad it is, yet they just seem to accept it just as an unmovable and unchangeable "fact of life" that they HAVE to accept. Many people, even when faced with evidence about how other countries' healthcare systems cover everybody equally, cheaper, and more efficiently than our system, eagerly buy into Republican lies and distortions about how these other countries' systems work (they have some flaws but are still light-years ahead of us) and buy into arguments that we shouldn't want any of that European-style "socialism" here.

calimary

(81,110 posts)
28. This is a TERRIFIC point.
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 02:26 PM
Mar 2017

Hey, we ALL have "access" to prime rib. Just look at the menu!

But maybe all we can actually PAY for is a plain side salad.

ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
29. Like Someone Here Said Last Week (I Think)
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 02:30 PM
Mar 2017

I have access to a Ferrari. They sell them, for the right price at a place in downtown Chicago. Doesn't mean i can get one.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
6. Yes, deeply underfunding the risk corridors
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 11:12 AM
Mar 2017

is causing the "death spiral" That and red states refusing medicaid.

Baitball Blogger

(46,684 posts)
15. Talk it into the ground and blame the failure on the other side.
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 11:52 AM
Mar 2017

Hmmm.... Sounds like he just exposed the entire Republican strategy.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
16. Are there any pleasant surprises in the TrumpCare proposal?
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 11:53 AM
Mar 2017

The Republican plan, from what I can tell from their appearances on the Sunday talk shows, is to say "freedom" and "choice" a lot. Apparently these are magic, transformative words that make a shit sandwich taste like filet mignon. Details are for losers; the only things that matter are "freedom" and "choice."

 

Jim Beard

(2,535 posts)
30. I don't understand why the media and the Democrats don't start telling the public.......
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 03:42 PM
Mar 2017

that insurance pools and choice is what we had before and they didn't work.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
17. That's not Trump's plan.
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 11:59 AM
Mar 2017

It's been the canonical Republican strategy for attacking every public service for half a century or more.

They do it with social security, with medicare, with interstate highways, with public utilities, and the list goes on.

Their attacks on public schools have been particularly effective, to the point that otherwise sensible people actually think that funneling money into unaccountable "charter" schools is a great option.


Trump is an incompetent and incomparable asshole, but in this regard he's simply dancing to the Republican drumbeat.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
22. since conservatives own a large swath of the media, they will have no problem getting that message
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 12:36 PM
Mar 2017

out like they normally do, with or without Trump. That's how they win elections despite their consistently horrible policies.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
24. Yes. Sadly, they've mastered the art.
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 12:50 PM
Mar 2017

Repubs could fire up their base to such a frenzy that there'd be fist fights to see who gets to put their head on the chopping block first.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
25. While Williams is right
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 01:20 PM
Mar 2017

if the GOP controls the megaphone and gets the media to follow along with "DEMOCRATS BAD" and "OBAMACARE FAILURE, SAD" tweets and shrieks it won't matter if it's the GOP's fault.

gopiscrap

(23,726 posts)
26. If a republican proposed it you know
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 01:21 PM
Mar 2017

you're going to get fucked. Unlike when a Democrat proposes bills they are usually progressive and in favor of the working class

Johonny

(20,818 posts)
27. If he were smart he'd do the same thing he's doing with the current economy
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 01:33 PM
Mar 2017

Forget killing Obama care...take credit for it. If he were smart he'd veto the Rethug bill sign some half ass executive order and declare America is now under Trump care. His sheeple would believe it. They buy everything. They're stupid.

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