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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWithout valid identification, Montanans will soon no longer be allowed to fly commercially
Possessing a Montana drivers license means youre legally qualified to operate a motor vehicle, and its the go-to document that most Montanans reach for when cashing a check at the grocery store or proving that theyre old enough to buy liquor.
But on Jan. 22, 2018, Montanas state-issued drivers license will no longer be accepted as a valid form of identification if you plan to board a commercial aircraft.
Instead, youll be required to produce a passport or some other form of identification that complies with Real ID, a 2005 law that sought to boost security by mandating nationwide standards for drivers licenses and other forms of identification.
In light of the approaching deadline, Billings travel professionals have begun warning their customers to make plans for carrying another form of identification so that they wont get booted from a plane once the provisions of Real ID take effect.
Read more: http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/without-valid-identification-montanans-will-soon-no-longer-be-allowed/article_cfc68246-3c0d-5398-ae42-f447b24944f3.html
dchill
(38,474 posts)I maintain that's unconstitutional.
Seriously.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)There's about 6 states that won't even take a driver's licence to fly sometime soon. They will have to get a passport. I think Pennsylvania is one of those states. Each state has differences in requirements for all kinds of things.
Kingofalldems
(38,452 posts)WillowTree
(5,325 posts)........there is, in fact, no constitutional right to fly.
dchill
(38,474 posts)to dye your hair? To use a tanning bed? Where is the list of my rights? Oh, yeah, it's called the Bill of Rights.
MarvinGardens
(779 posts)WillowTree
(5,325 posts)And not everything is a right. We hear all the time that driving is a privilege that can be regulated and/or taken away, not a right. Smoking isn't illegal (yet), but you can't smoke in any public building in Illinois.
You can't drive a car.......or practice medicine.......or even become a barber without getting a proper license from the government.
And not you won't be allowed to fly on a commercial airline in the US without what the government has decided is to be proper identification.
MarvinGardens
(779 posts)And of course, none of our freedoms are absolute. When any freedom is restricted, it comes down to whether the restriction is reasonable or not. Is restricting the freedom to travel of all Montanans, because of the actions of their legislature, a reasonable restriction? I think "no", but a judge might very likely side with your view.
dchill
(38,474 posts)flying. Therefore, it's my right. Republicans, those mavens of deregulation, have no problems regulating people and activities they don't like.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)Do you contend that that, therefore, is also your right?
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)dchill
(38,474 posts)Life, liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness thing. Of course, something that is obviously a crime is not a Constitutional right.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts).......does not promise or guarantee "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness", don't you?
dchill
(38,474 posts)Theoretically, the Constitution could reasonably be expected to protect them.
dchill
(38,474 posts)"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
Rhiannon12866
(205,238 posts)They seem to be making it their mission to harm the American people!
world wide wally
(21,741 posts)MiniMe
(21,714 posts)I don't know exactly what the changes are, but most states have made the adjustments. It took a long time to roll out because drivers licenses are not renewed every year, so as long as the state made arrangements and at least started the process, you are OK. I think there were 6 states that hadn't made the arrangements with the feds
2naSalit
(86,572 posts)changes needed were anymore. I know that when I get my license renewed, it's good for eight years... I wonder if that is part of it. I don't fly so I am not very concerned about that. If I do fly, I have a passport already. I can see the Indians having some trouble with that and folks who have never left the country or even the state. Not sure what impact it will have on the state's population.
MiniMe
(21,714 posts)But as long as the state made the arrangements to do the changes when drivers licences were renewed, the state is exempt. Like I said, I think there were only 6 states that didn't make the arrangements. I live in Maryland and I had no problems flying with my DL as ID
TeamPooka
(24,221 posts)HAB911
(8,890 posts)when I took over care of my older brother is that the name on the license must match the birth certificate exactly, those states may not require that
The REAL ID Act of 2005, Pub.L. 10913, 119 Stat. 302, enacted May 11, 2005, is an Act of Congress that modifies U.S. federal law pertaining to security, authentication, and issuance procedures standards for the state driver's licenses and identity documents, as well as various immigration issues pertaining to terrorism.
The law sets forth requirements for state driver's licenses and ID cards to be accepted by the federal government for "official purposes", as defined by the Secretary of the United States Department of Homeland Security. The Secretary of Homeland Security has currently defined "official purposes" as boarding commercially operated airline flights and entering federal buildings and nuclear power plants, although the law gives the Secretary the unlimited authority to require a "federal identification" for any other purposes.[4]
The REAL ID Act implements the following:
Title II of the act establishes new federal standards for state-issued driver's licenses and non-driver identification cards.
Changing visa limits for temporary workers, nurses, and Australian citizens.
Funding some reports and pilot projects related to border security.
Introducing rules covering "delivery bonds" (similar to bail, but for aliens who have been released pending hearings).
Updating and tightening the laws on application for asylum and deportation of aliens for terrorism.
Waiving laws that interfere with construction of physical barriers at the borders.
Takket
(21,563 posts)HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,339 posts)So, pretty sure we're all out.
Wounded Bear
(58,648 posts)I think we're out of extensions. Cost is basically double.
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)are supposed to be working on a solution.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)The law sets forth requirements for state driver's licenses and ID cards to be accepted by the federal government for "official purposes", as defined by the Secretary of the United States Department of Homeland Security. The Secretary of Homeland Security has currently defined "official purposes" as boarding commercially operated airline flights and entering federal buildings and nuclear power plants, although the law gives the Secretary the unlimited authority to require a "federal identification" for any other purposes.[4]
The REAL ID Act implements the following:
Title II of the act establishes new federal standards for state-issued driver's licenses and non-driver identification cards.
Changing visa limits for temporary workers, nurses, and Australian citizens.
Funding some reports and pilot projects related to border security.
Introducing rules covering "delivery bonds" (similar to bail, but for aliens who have been released pending hearings).
Updating and tightening the laws on application for asylum and deportation of aliens for terrorism.
Waiving laws that interfere with construction of physical barriers at the borders.
On December 20, 2013, the Department of Homeland Security announced that implementation of Phase 1 would begin on January 20, 2014, which followed a yearlong period of "deferred enforcement". There are four planned phases, three of which apply to areas that affect relatively few U.S. citizense.g., DHS headquarters, nuclear power plants, and restricted and semi-restricted federal facilities.[5] The timeline for Phase 4, which applies to boarding federally regulated commercial aircraft, will be determined after DHS conducts an evaluation of how the first three phases were implemented. To "ensure that the public has ample advanced [sic] notice", DHS says that Phase 4 will not be implemented before January 1, 2016.[2] On January 8, 2016, DHS issued a revised implementation schedule for Phase 4, stating that starting January 22, 2018 "passengers with a drivers license issued by a state that is still not compliant with the REAL ID Act (and has not been granted an extension) will need to show an alternative form of acceptable identification for domestic air travel to board their flight". Starting October 1, 2020 "every air traveler will need a REAL ID-compliant license, or another acceptable form of identification, for domestic air travel."[6] As of January 2017, 26 states and territories have been certified as sufficiently compliant or making sufficient progress toward compliance, 25 have been granted extensions, and 5 have not been certified as sufficiently compliant or received extensions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act
Maine, Minnesota, Arkansas, Montana, and Washington (state) are all not compliant with the act.
The requirements are verification of certain things before a driver's license or state ID are issued:
Documentation of birth date
Documentation of legal status and Social Security number
Documentation showing name and principal residence address
Note that these are required to obtain the IDs required by many states in order to vote.
If I remember correctly before RealID was passed in 2005, there was a huge fight about requiring national ID cards. A lot of Republicans objected, but they have enthusiastically supported the RealID requirements in order to suppress voting rights.
One of the facts to note is that the RealID Act has provision for states sharing their ID databases - because of complaints from some states, that has been delayed by DHS. If this were implemented, the more complete information in the ID databases would be a better way to prevent voter registration fraud than the sketchy and haphazard database Crosscheck which includes much less information about each person.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Montana refused to do the vetting for the drivers licenses required under the new law... they had time...so instead they are now forcing their citizens to buy expensive passports...if your license has a star on it...then your state is in compliance with the 2005 law.
samnsara
(17,622 posts)Kablooie
(18,628 posts)To require a newer, more secure driver's license isn't that big an imposition.