Malcolm Nance on Trump: Benedict Arnold

[BainsBane]

Intelligence expert Malcolm Nance on Trump scandal: “As close to Benedict Arnold as we’re ever going to get”

In trying to make sense of the constant revelations about Trump’s connections to Russia, we are often hearing the truism that “the cover-up is worse than the crime.” But in this case, it seems that the public is just seeing the tip of the iceberg.

You are absolutely correct. I think that the activities that have occurred and the thing that we’re seeing indicate a scandal on an order of magnitude greater than anything that’s occurred in the 20th century. What’s occurring now is as close to Benedict Arnold as I think we’re ever going to get in American history. It had better be because the only alternative to what we’re seeing with this information is, if it’s not espionage, then it will be the largest financial scandal in American history.

One would think that someone would have taken Trump’s associates aside and told them, about the ambassador and others, “These guys are Russian spies using diplomatic status as cover?” Did they not understand that or did they just ignore it?

You would think that the former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, Michael Flynn — who had his own coterie of spies, by the way — would know that. But what would override that? Only one of two things would override that. This incredible belief that you give me a boatload of money and I get a boatload of money. Then you get these incredible, unbelievable returns promised to you, and you bring in more people. That’s what we’re seeing here, in this whole crew . . . and I refer to them in my book as “the Kremlin crew” . . . in that they saw relationships with Russia and the extractive energy industries as an ATM that would make them madly wealthy beyond anything if they controlled the levers of government.

The only other way to explain it is that they ideologically bought into [the idea] that Vladimir Putin is the greatest man on Earth and that the Russian antidemocratic system and autocracy is their way of life. I can’t believe that. I think they wanted to win at all costs, and at the end of “win at all costs,” whether that meant cooperating with Russia or working with them, there was the promise of outrageous quantities of money. . . .

Do you think it is fair to say that Trump and his cadre are traitors and that they should be held accountable based on those criteria?

If we use the rhetorical definition of treason, the common vernacular definition of treason, and it turns out that anyone at any time in this campaign was aware of Russia’s operations, decided to use Russia’s operations and coordinate with Russia’s operations, that right there would be treason. That would be betraying the trust of your nation.

http://www.salon.com/2017/03/14/intelligence-expert-malcolm-nance-on-trump-scandal-as-close-to-benedict-arnold-as-were-ever-going-to-get/


Lock him up.

[spanone]

1. K&R...

[Solly Mack]

2. K&R

[gademocrat7]

3. K&R

[GoCubsGo]

4. Lock THEM up.

The whole stinking lot of them. They are making me re-think my opposition to firing squads.

[BainsBane]

5. Them

Absolutely.

[Botany]

11. Please go old school

How many republicans were and still are in on this treason and coup?

McConnell, Ryan, Ivanka, Sessions, Rudy, Stone, Flynn, Carter Page, and .....

[calimary]

14. Yep!

K&R!

They're ALL treasonous bastards. Siding with, and pledging allegiance to, a Russian PUPPET who was installed in OUR White House by a HOSTILE FOREIGN POWER (i.e.: RUSSIA).

Lock 'em ALL up.

[Botany]

16. And it wasn't just the Presidential too.

Many senate and house races were effected too.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/01/24/russians-suspected-hacking-wisconsin-dems/97023222/

And how did McConnell know that if he waited until after the election he would have somebody
else to vote for replacing Tony Scalia as justice?

This was treason and a coup. Time for some cart rides.

[triron]

23. knr

[GoCubsGo]

17. I could go with that, too, although,

the more I think about it, the more I would rather see them watch as all their assets are confiscated and redistributed to the unwashed masses. And, as long as we're going old school, why not take some flat bed trucks, attach some old-fashioned stocks, LOCK THEM UP in them, and drive them around the country, letting everyone pelt them with whatever they see fit to throw at them? For the rest of their sorry-ass lives.

[vanlassie]

26. NUNES.

[MontanaMama]

49. Kushner!

He's part of this swamp.

[AgadorSparticus]

6. KNR!!!!!

[Docreed2003]

7. K&R

[Kimchijeon]

8. yep, betraying the trust of the nation, k&r

[lark]

9. From your lips to goddesses ears!

Make it so!

[gordianot]

10. I am beginning to lose my confidence in the Deep State.

You would think the Superpatriots would have taken care of this. Sounds like there may be divided loyalties.

[MFM008]

34. Or the vaunted

Anonymous?
Where were they.

[ProudProgressiveNow]

12. K&R nt

[Nitram]

13. Yes.

[Verbose Matthias]

15. Closer!

Arnold, after all, was never president.

[dchill]

18. K&R.

[uponit7771]

19. +1, BENEDICT DONALD !! I've been calling him that since I've seen it on DU

[tiptonic]

36. Alike

Same here, we must think alike.

[fleabiscuit]

20. K&R

[Moostache]

21. Rot in hell you traitorous bastards

I want to see them all in chains, on trial before a special tribunal empowered to seize their assets and to put them away for life

[BainsBane]

31. +1

[SHRED]

22. Nance from the interview...

I think this will end in impeachment. If it does not, the American system of government will split in two. I mean, like the Democrats will just stonewall and say, “This is treason.” Then you’re going to get the Republicans who will say, “We’re going to use every level of power to go after anyone that doesn’t agree with us.” But at the street level, you won’t see the changes. You’ll still have the right to speak out. There won’t be any arrests like there were in Russia with Pussy Riot. But people who support Trump will do all of that. They’ll come and attack you. They will silence you. There will be self-appointed groups of people and militias that will make it clear that Trump is God.

[BainsBane]

46. These are dire times

To be sure.

[herding cats]

24. Yet another scary as fuck reference to Alexander Dugin

This administration has got me frightened on a strategic scale because we’re all going to suffer from this. We have a saying in the military: “The stupid shall be punished.” This nation voted for stupid, and we are going to get punished because these people have no sense of decorum, no sense of decency, no sense of living up to any of the traditions enacted over 240 years of this great nation growing.

They are the wrecking crew, and they don’t work for this nation. I really think their ideology is based on an ideology they got from Putin’s philosopher, Alexander Dugin, the man who believes that Western liberal democracy must be destroyed and a strongman authoritarianism [must] step into its place, and then you could reshape the world as you saw fit. That’s Hitler and Stalin talk.

I also believe "The stupid shall be punished" and the stupid in this case are the American people.

[BainsBane]

29. Yes.

I have to agree.

[Cosmocat]

53. Sorry to say, from the moment 45 came down

That escaltor I said this country is stupid enough to elect him.

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

25. KNR

[Fast Walker 52]

27. Lock all the Republicans who have gone along with this outrage up!

this is complete treasonous madness.

[triron]

28. kick for visibility

[tiptonic]

30. No

It's Benedict Donald, not Arnold!!

[KewlKat]

32. K&HR

[LiberalLovinLug]

33. K & R

[stollen]

35. Has anyone read Nance's book?

[BainsBane]

37. I haven't

[dalton99a]

38. Yes, he is a Russian traitor.

[pansypoo53219]

39. benedict was not president.

[BainsBane]

42. True

Which makes Trump so much worse.

[GliderGuider]

40. Fantastic interview! He even mentioned Dugin!

It's a succinct, intelligent recap of what has happened.

Putin blinded them all with money while he stuck a geopolitical dagger in their collective back.

The West has been well and truly rolled by a master strategist.

[triron]

41. kick for visibility

[djg21]

43. Benedict Arnold was a military hero

His actions at the Battle of Saratoga, despite being saddled with an incompetent commander, turned the tide of the revolutionary war. While his subsequent treason was unfortunate and unjustifiable, it perhaps was understandable given his treatment, or at least his perception of the way he was treated, by Congress and the military command.

Trump just doesn't come close and certainly doesn't merit comparison to Arnold.

http://www.historynet.com/benedict-arnold-general-in-the-battle-of-saratoga.htm

[BainsBane]

47. Good point

Trump has never done a thing for this country.

[INdemo]

44. Well where are the Patriotic Congressmen.The Democrats.

Its like the Senators know this but are going to give Trump a pass.

[BainsBane]

45. Maxine Waters

and many others.

[Hekate]

54. The Democrats are on our sde, but in the minority. What we need are several Republicans...

We need several Republican Senators to put Country before Party, to remember their deep seated patriotism before it's to late.

This is why the names of John McCain, Susan Collins, and Lindsay Graham keep coming up. We need what used to be called Old School Republicans on our side.

The Democrats need to stand together -- and the Republicans need to be split. It appears the GOP is splitting.

[INdemo]

55. My point was its seems the Democrats are just being quiet about this whole

becasue they are afraid to act...I believe I know which party has the Majority.
For Example..Wilbur Ross the Cypress Bank Exec got 20 Democratic votes for confirmation after Elizabeth Warren made it known in here Senate speech, about his positions on Russisa and the bank that laundered Russian money and a affiliate of the Duuetch Bank where Trump has his Major loans.
Im talking about the 12 Senators that voted against the Bill allowing Seniors the right to buy prescriptions from Canada.

So we still have the those Republican lites that side with the Republicans,even when Democats had the Seante majority, because they are drinking from the same corporate well.
So these Democrats keep quiet for fear of losing those Corporate Sponsors.

[whistler162]

48. Nance shouldn't be insulting.....

Benedict Arnold who until his West Point treason was a hero of the American Revolution! If Arnold hadn't been unlucky enough to survive his almost mortal wounds sustained at Saratoga he would have been rememberred as a hero not a zero. Trump has never been as hero but always a zero.

[BainsBane]

50. A zero and a coward

[zentrum]

51. And Michael Hayden, the..

..former head of the NSA said on NPR yesterday that he thinks Russia regards DT as "a useful idiot". And further, that that is the most benign description he can say about what is going on.

[uponit7771]

52. +1, a true traitor to this country

[Fantastic Anarchist]

56. Wow, that's pretty stark and polemical.

It doesn't get any more cut and dried than that. Something needs to happen before this gets normalized.

[BainsBane]

57. The GOP is all too willing to accommodate it.

Cooperating with Democrats is unacceptable; collaborating with the Kremlin, no problem.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

58. Two issue we have:

Some Democrats are cooperating with Republicans.

No Republicans are cooperating with Democrats.

Until one or both of the above statements become false, we're fucked.