CNN just reported that speaker ryan is forging ahead with trumpcare without any changes...

[spanone]

Bwahahahahahaaa

he's one heartless turd and tone deaf to his own party.

[shraby]

1. That guy is one sandwich shy of a picnic.

[dalton99a]

2. Proceed.

[Barack_America]

76. Pride comes before the fall.

Speaking of "falling", behold Trump's approval rating:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx

[dalton99a]

79. Piss-poor job performance.

Pretty hard to spin that.

[redstatebluegirl]

3. He is totally out of touch with reality. I want the money back that SS

paid him and his family when his dad passed.

[Blue_true]

46. His mom was still on SS as of 2012, retired in Florida. nt

[PsychoBabble]

4. Please DO, Paul ....

I will enjoy seeing the humiliation on your smirking face when your death panel plan is rejected.

[Demsrule86]

11. Me too!!!! Will by popcorn for all the fun reading enjoying the suffering of the

heartless right.

[narnian60]

67. Yes, indeed.

[Cary]

5. Often described as "an intellectual."

On what?

[Demsrule86]

14. Everyone was forced to read the Fountainhead in my High School.

I will say It is a remarkable book as far as writing goes...but is horrifying in terms of content. It is easy to see that Ayn based her hero on a child murderer...(now there is true freedom...the ability to murder assuming you are rich and powerful) I bet this is the only book Ryan ever read and he was all excited...it touched something in his murderous tiny heart...and he has lived off of it for years.

[briv1016]

33. To be fair, he's most likely read Atlas Shrugged as well.

[leftieNanner]

52. I remember reading Atlas Shrugged

in high school and loving it! Rand's writing is very seductive. Then I read it again as an adult (skipping over the 60 page John Galt soliloquy near the end) and was horrified when I realized the true message of the book. I see that if Lyin' Ryan read it again, he embraced it instead. Cruel, sick asshole.

[Demsrule86]

65. That is worse than the Fountainhead...

The fountainhead as a novel...is remarkable but the ideology is repugnant...Atlas Shrugged which I read in college is worse. I would never read those books on my own.

[Cary]

72. Remarkable?

I found it unreadable. I picked it up and put it down after 10 pages.

I regard Rand and her Rational Selfishess to be a third rate philosopher, a fourth rate science fiction author, and a fifth rate human being.

Just my opinion, but she sucks.

[spanone]

15. same folks who said newt was the smart one????

[Thor_MN]

63. Relative to the average Republican.

So, about 102 IQ, but his sociopathic tendencies reduce his value to the community.

[Volaris]

81. An intellectual FOR REPUBLICANS.

It isn't hard to be the smartest 3 year-old when everyone else is only 2...

[randome]

6. I think he wants this over as soon as possible, hoping people forget about it by 2018.

"See? We tried. Oh, well, let's move onto something else."
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]

[Demsrule86]

9. I love Leonard Cohen...he was great...and I agree with you...Ryan has failed and is bailing. nt

[randome]

23. Cohen was one of the Greats lost this year. His influence continues, though.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]

[Demsrule86]

66. And I think will continue for a very long time RIP Mr. Cohen.

[BeyondGeography]

7. Most see a terrible HC bill

But our man Paul sees a harmless, white bunny.

[reflection]

69. Let's hope it shakes out like it did for the last guys that saw a harmless bunny.

[Demsrule86]

8. This could mean he can't fix it...and it may die in the House.

Or...they will pass it in the House and dump it in the Senate where it dies.

[n2doc]

58. What's to fix?

If they want lower costs and affordable health care for everyone, the only better way is single payer. But they don't. and a big chunk of the R's want zero government health care, no medicaid, no medicare, nada.

What they want are big tax cuts for the rich. that is the only goal, and Ryan knows his bill accomplishes that.

[Demsrule86]

64. He would 'improve' the legislation

by making it more tea party friendly and worse for average Americans...take away tax credits for example. This would get it through the house, but I don't see it passing in the Senate.

[Volaris]

82. Either way, if they can't 'repeal obamacare' like their Dear Leader promised

The Deplorables will eat that fucking party for breakfast with eggs if they feel like their reps are spineless. Ryan, at least, is STILL between Barrack, and a Hard Case. Let's hope he smashes his head against that Wall until he passes the fuck OUT lol.

[Eyeball_Kid]

10. Ryan's Goal? DE-POPULATION!

I began a discussion earlier on DU to detail what I mean. De-population is a stated objective of Neo-Conservatism. That's why Ryan is happy with it. He WANTS people to suffer needlessly and die early. That millions of people will be off insurance is NOT a mistake or miscalculation. It's a desired outcome.

I'm not being facetious. I'm dead (?) serious.

[exboyfil]

27. I just proposed to my Congressman Rod Blum

three scenarios:

1. Single payer
2. Shore up ACA
3. Go full Libertarian and eliminate hospital requirement for indigent care, block grant LTC and allow states to introduce filial laws, push Medicare into the open market. As part of this third option I encouraged Soylent Green euthanasia parlors with the resulting protein sent to feed the swine.

[JPK]

47. The problem with that plan

When you shrink and depopulate, the tax base shrinks and in order to pay for the republicon war machine they will have to go after corporate money. The serfs will no longer have anything of value or own anything.

[Delmette2.0]

71. I have been telling family and friends for at least year...

The R's plan for us is:

Work hard
Get sick
Die fast.

[bdamomma]

78. It should be

Keep on working

[TheCowsCameHome]

12. GOP is going to have an OK Corral moment soon.

Line up now, and then form a nice, tight circle.

[livetohike]

13. He had seven years to come up with something. He isn't as

intelligent as some in his party think he is. This is what they have, it sucks, but they can do nothing better.

[dalton99a]

17. Ryan is a grifter and a fraud

and every bit as sociopathic as the rest of them

[livetohike]

20. Yes he is. Can't believe he keeps getting elected.

This might be the end of him though.

[dalton99a]

24. I think his hometown Janesville always voted against him.

He kept winning because of the rural areas.

[Raster]

30. Worse than the rest of them... Ryan seems to have issues surrounding the poor, among other things...

...He's a heartless, smug, little bastard and phony to boot. He's supposedly one of the "smart ones" in the GOP. I think not. He gets re-elected because he's from an older, more affluent rethuglican district. Me thinks too many GOP grannies have a thing for Eddie Munster.

[OldHippieChick]

16. Guess it's not a big stretch to look at the

$120k he just got from Anthem and whatever he probably got from Aetna, Kaiser, United, etc. and see that he let them write this bill. Now he can tell them he tried and have no problem accepting their money.

[dalton99a]

18. No, it's not.

[SaschaHM]

19. What exactly does he think is going to happen when the bills hit the Senate Floor?

They could barely get Betsy Devos through and she wasn't an all out attack on senior citizens and the poor.

[brush]

21. He's another example of a supposedly smart but actually dumb male...

continually getting kicked upstairs.

He has reached his level of incompetency ("The Peter Principle&quot and the nation suffers because of it.

He and the repugs had seven years to come up with a plan and this piece of shit that they cobbled together in weeks is the best they could do.

They should be ashamed to present it and Ryan is pushing it like it's great. How did this guy get to be Speaker?

He's not that sharp. Remember how Joe Biden demolished him in that VP debate?

The Koch's must be pleased with him though.

[Nay]

49. Sure, they had 7 yrs to come up with a plan -- the thing is, the plan is "NO PLAN."

So they were done with the 'planning' years ago.

Assholes.

[brush]

54. A-holes is exactly what they are. No empathy gene must be a repug trait.

[spanone]

22. spicer is on cnn right now pissing on the CBO

these people will eat their own in a heartbeat

[bdamomma]

77. I hope they do that soon.

nt

[Lint Head]

25. Maybe the little prick knows it will fail and Trump will go down.

Or he's just an amoral asshat. I think the latter. But he may think this will hurt Trump not realizing he will doom the GOP.

[mvd]

26. It is a cruel, inhumane plan

It will be a TRUE death panel if passed. I think having nothing is better than his piece of crap plan.

[Raster]

28. WALK. THE. PLANK. Come on, do it House rethugs.... Vote for RyanScare, I DARE YOU!

Loser in 2018 says what?

[Freethinker65]

29. Picturing John Boehner with a smoke, a scotch, and a huge smile on his face

Screw Paul Ryan

[TexasProgresive]

31. I had this thought while reading n2doc's toons on the subject:

That the pukesence party's strategy is to get rid of the ACA, replace it with the dung heap and prior to the midterms fix a couplle of the real stinkers in it and claim it new and improved.

[still_one]

32. His own party want to completely repeal the ACA, and provide no replacement. F**k THEM ALL

[BannonsLiver]

34. Whatever he wants to do.

Nobody will be calling him Speaker after Nov. 2018. Believe that.

[briv1016]

35. When this dies we need to focus on expanding Medicaid in the remaining red States.

[Ilsa]

36. This cruel plan will cost them, but not before

it devastates hundreds of thousands, and and screws things up for millions.

We need to make sure they pay for this. And when we take back Congress, 45 will know the party is over.

[Eliot Rosewater]

38. But it wont cost them, you see. The only way a GOP can lose a house seat is if

they are primaryed primaried, however you want to spell it since it isnt a word

in most cases anyway, there are a few who could lose to a Dem but not most.

So who is gonna pay for a campaign to oppose a Koch Bros candidate? Nobody.

Nobody will oppose them and nobody has the money to. Nobody.

They can and will take your ACA, Medicare and Social Security, they really can.

i want to be wrong, but I dont see how I am.

[Nay]

53. Thank you, Eliot. I've been saying the same thing. The lo-info voters will

continue to vote Pub, Pubs will continue to win, and this shit will have to splatter the wall for years before hardship begins to inform their little sludgy brains. And then it will be too late for everybody.

[leftieNanner]

57. I live in Oregon and we may be able to boot our Repug Congressman

Most of the state is blue, but Greg Walden has all of Eastern Oregon and our tiny blue pocket in the south. His district is reliably red, but he has over 300,000 constituents who have recently enrolled in the ACA, especially the expanded Medicaid. Even if this bill fails, his handwriting is all over it and we plan to let the voters know how he tried to screw them. Indivisible is strong here.

[Eliot Rosewater]

37. And I want to believe the Senate wont approve it but I just dont have any

faith in any republican to do the right thing, not ever.

I hope I am wrong.

[spanone]

39. cnn quoted mcconnell as saying the senate will make changes and send it to the floor

that's what these fuckers do...

[Eliot Rosewater]

61. Here is what I dont think will happen, I dont think they will let it

die in the Senate.

Their hatred of Obama is far greater than anything else, and if Dems assist them in this in the Senate, they will be targeted at election time which we simply cant afford to do at this point, seems like a lose lose lose.

[Johonny]

50. You have to assume that's Ryan's plan

Pass that Turkey and let the Senate procedural grid-lock churn it up. The problem being the senate actually set in motion the ability to fast track it if they want to, and Trump is so * stupid he will sign any turd they place on his desk. He really doesn't care. He wants a product, any product, to pretend he's done great things. There is no one in charge and thus I anticipate terrible things.

[Cosmocat]

56. Yep

I think it will be a lot tougher for senatordinner in general, and assuming Ds stay tight, it's such a small margin. But, end of the day Rs are THAT sick and/cowardly to buck the extremist tendencies of their party, I will believe they won't pass it when they dont.

[sarcasmo]

40. Will Donnie sign it?

[spanone]

41. i think he'd sign it if it was chicken scratchings....trump wants to get it done

i don't think he gives a shit what is in it or he wouldn't be defending it now.

he promised healthcare for everyone, so he's already lost.

[Vinca]

42. What a fool. I hope the Dems are going to put up opposition to him in 2018.

[flying-skeleton]

43. Let Ryan lead his piglets to the slaughter in 2018 Elections !!

[bhusar]

44. When this fails....

.....I wonder how they will blame it on Obama

[randr]

45. Faithful employee doing his job

Must be worried that check from BlueCross is gonna clear

[Maru Kitteh]

48. I think he just wants to get it over with.

I believe he knows full well that it's a shit sandwich - doomed to sit untouched and unloved.

Ryan wants to clear the table, blame Obama, and move on.

[Marie Marie]

51. Am I the only one who thinks that this might squeak through?

If we don't have the votes and if enough Republicans who hate this bill fall in line at the last minute, well then, it may just pass. Oh please, I hope not.

[LovingA2andMI]

59. It Won't....

Remember, there are more Democratic Seats in 2018 for the Senate than Republican Seats and the Senate Republicans want to try (and fail hopefully) to pick up these seats. If they pass Trumpcare, they know their chances of doing so is less than -0. Because of that, it will never pass the Senate.

Meanwhile in the U.S. House, there are more Republicans at risk than Democrats as they now have control of the House. Many of these Republicans are in districts that can and will flip if they take away 14-25 million American's healthcare coverage.

The Trumpcare bill as a result, is going nowhere fast. However, it does give the Democrats opportunities if they play it right, to pick up seats in the Senate and most definitely the U.S. House.

[Marie Marie]

73. Thanks. I needed that.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

55. Full steam ahead!

This will (probably) pass in the House. Not so sure it's going anywhere in the Senate.

[LiberalLovinLug]

60. Call it RyanCare as often as you can

after all it is mostly crafted by the GOP, not Donald. But more importantly, Ryan is not as popular with Republican voters as Trump is. And the house and senate are still together more powerful than the President, and if we just demonize Trump, the easy target, and he is impeached eventually, its Ryan and the establishment GOP that will rise.

[LovingA2andMI]

62. Disagree...

It was Trump that "promised" to give "Healthcare" that was "Better Than" the Affordable Healthcare Act to "Everyone".

Kicking 14-25 million Americans off of healthcare including the sick, disabled, elderly, poor and meanwhile increasing the premiums (which will happen) for employer-based healthcare, Trump should take FULL OWNERSHIP of THAT.

With that, it is most definitely Trump can take FULL RESPONSIBLY for it. Lastly, as for his "popularity", that is another question that needs to be re-examined in light of Trumpcare -- at least according to the latest Gallup Daily Tracking Poll.

[mobeau69]

68. It's Trumpcare.

KISS

[NewRedDawn]

70. Kremilin Kare

We would not have this shit if Putin's puppet was not installed by the little dictator piece of shit. Tie the bill & the russkies around all their fucking traitorous necks!

[ecstatic]

74. The GOP is purging voter rolls as I type. They're systematically

discrediting the media. By this time next year, when millions have lost insurance, any reporting on it will be called fake news. And of course, the GOP will control which votes get counted and which don't. When they "win" again, it will be considered a "mandate" to continue doing what they're doing. I really hope I'm wrong, but why else would he be forging ahead on something that would destroy their party (assuming a fair voting system)?

[bdamomma]

75. send Paul Ryan a postcard

tomorrow.

[LA-Italian]

80. Is Ryan Grooming Himself to Run for Prez?

Remember when John Boehner wanted to step down and nobody wanted the speaker's job and some how the Republicans talked Ryan into taking it? Now he's turned into a total inflexible fucktard. I'd put money on it he's going to make a run for prez in next 10-12 yrs.