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Calculating

(2,955 posts)
Wed Mar 15, 2017, 09:19 PM Mar 2017

Jeff Sessions: Marijuana Is Only Slightly Less Awful Than Heroin

Hey Sessions, maybe you should quit preaching reefer madness and get to work on that massive opiate epidemic ravaging the nation.

Did I die in my sleep and wake up in Hell or something? How are these nutjobs running our government? We have a head of the EPA who denies basic climate science, a POTUS who tweets insane stuff about wiretapping, and now the head of the DOJ saying that cannabis is only 'Slightly less awful than heroin'. It's like I cannot even respect or come up with a dignified response to such statements. They're just completely stupid as fuck, ignorant, corrupt and wrong. If our nation makes it through these next 4 years intact it will be some kind of miracle. God save us all!

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2017/03/15/jeff-sessions-marijuana-slightly-less-awful-heroin/
Jeff Sessions, the U.S. Attorney General, had some typically harsh words about marijuana today, at a time when legal pot supporters in Massachusetts and elsewhere are on high alert over how the new government will treat the drug.

In prepared remarks for a speech to law enforcement in Richmond today, he outlined his stance on marijuana use, which he has long opposed, saying that “dependency” on it is “only slightly less awful” than heroin.

I realize this may be an unfashionable belief in a time of growing tolerance of drug use. But too many lives are at stake to worry about being fashionable. I reject the idea that America will be a better place if marijuana is sold in every corner store. And I am astonished to hear people suggest that we can solve our heroin crisis by legalizing marijuana – so people can trade one life-wrecking dependency for another that’s only slightly less awful. Our nation needs to say clearly once again that using drugs will destroy your life.

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Jeff Sessions: Marijuana Is Only Slightly Less Awful Than Heroin (Original Post) Calculating Mar 2017 OP
Always been curious about H. Think I will give it a try now. LOL Lib Mar 2017 #1
I had some H sprinkled on some weed. The H is much worse NightWatcher Mar 2017 #15
AG Rufus T. Hounddog has shit where his brains should be . . . hatrack Mar 2017 #2
You're looking at it all wrong mythology Mar 2017 #3
Sessions is willfully ignorant & GWC58 Mar 2017 #4
Ignorant twit is only slightly less toxic than Trump Panich52 Mar 2017 #5
Where Does He Put Alcohol on That List? Leith Mar 2017 #6
I wonder where he puts prescription pain killers? Initech Mar 2017 #43
Unfortunately, keeping pot illegal TDale313 Mar 2017 #7
Well, he's full of shit, but it may be important to read between the lines, here. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #8
Those damned Hippies! underpants Mar 2017 #36
Hey, man. Even Joe Friday says LSD is da bomb Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #38
That is one clean cut drug dealer underpants Mar 2017 #39
WTF?? Too much moonshine JB? Crazy talk lunasun Mar 2017 #9
What drives this idiocy, imo, is the recognition of the potential for societal systems change WheelWalker Mar 2017 #10
On a deeper level, you may be right. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #18
Can we send him some brownies so he can test his theory himself? marylandblue Mar 2017 #11
I sometimes wonder if these people would be different if they had ever tried mj Calculating Mar 2017 #13
The state of Colorado has a Billion to fight this Douche Nozzle. sarcasmo Mar 2017 #12
I think the takeaway here is that he's gonna do a Nancy Reagan impression Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #22
It's too bad Worktodo Mar 2017 #14
I wonder if Jeff Sessions' real motives are related to ecstatic Mar 2017 #16
Those studies are bullshit. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #21
You've Attributed Too Much To Jeffy ProfessorGAC Mar 2017 #31
oh beauregard, hush your mouth spanone Mar 2017 #17
Taking American back Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2017 #19
Well, when you pull shit out of your ass, you sound like sessions. AgadorSparticus Mar 2017 #20
More consequential, from a policy perspective, was probably his Q&A with reporters immediately after Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #23
yeah, and he never met with the Russians Cha Mar 2017 #24
What's enjoyable about this, however, is he is essentially acknowledging Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #25
Well, that's good! Complain and Lie, Lie and Complain.. Cha Mar 2017 #27
I could be wrong, but buried in this and the Q&A that followed Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #28
Thank you for your analysis, WD.. Cha Mar 2017 #29
... Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #32
Maybe if Sessions smoked some reefer he'd be more chill and enlightened kimbutgar Mar 2017 #26
apparently he has never had a child addicted to heroin burnbaby Mar 2017 #30
It's ridiculous. People die from alcohol withdrawls, ffs Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #33
yep burnbaby Mar 2017 #34
To be lost not soon enough!! GWC58 Mar 2017 #40
It tends make everyone unfocused and slow down the cross burnings underpants Mar 2017 #35
Nah Calculating Mar 2017 #41
Money laundering might be one angle of attack. LTG Mar 2017 #37
Sessions is only slightly less awful than Dump NastyRiffraff Mar 2017 #42
It's stupid talk like this that leads people into heroin and other more dangerous drugs Johonny Mar 2017 #44
These are the types of people who never got high when they were younger.... A HERETIC I AM Mar 2017 #45

hatrack

(59,583 posts)
2. AG Rufus T. Hounddog has shit where his brains should be . . .
Wed Mar 15, 2017, 09:24 PM
Mar 2017

How unfortunate that he's only 71 years old.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
3. You're looking at it all wrong
Wed Mar 15, 2017, 09:25 PM
Mar 2017

Try looking at it like this, heroin and marijuana are very close in a societal harm comparison if you add a third marker to compare against. For example, heroin is only slightly worse than marijuana if you compare them to the societal harm done by say having Jeff Sessions as Attorney General.

Leith

(7,808 posts)
6. Where Does He Put Alcohol on That List?
Wed Mar 15, 2017, 09:31 PM
Mar 2017

That's the drug that has done more harm than any other. You can get even nicotine now without destroying your health or local atmosphere.

Initech

(100,061 posts)
43. I wonder where he puts prescription pain killers?
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 01:27 PM
Mar 2017

Those drugs are far more addicting and harmful than marijuana ever was or would be. And his home state has one of the highest percentage of painkiller addicts out there.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
7. Unfortunately, keeping pot illegal
Wed Mar 15, 2017, 09:32 PM
Mar 2017

Makes absolute sense from his point of view. Pharmaceutical companies don't want it legal, you keep the private prisons full- disproportionately with people of color. And when they do get out, you disenfranchise them- some for life. It's disgusting, and has very little to do with any real harm smoking marijuana actually does.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
8. Well, he's full of shit, but it may be important to read between the lines, here.
Wed Mar 15, 2017, 09:37 PM
Mar 2017

I suspect he's tacitly admitting that the Feds don't have anything like the resources to go in and wage an enforcement war against the growing #s of states that have legalized, as well as state-legal cannabis businesses.

Beyond that, doing so would fly in the face of not just what Trump said on the matter during the campaign, it would also go against Sessions' own decades of "States Rights" Yosemite Sam Bargling.

But Sessions has all these right-wing Lawn Order doofii like Hugh Hewitt on his ass, demanding that he "do something" about legal weed. Simple fact is, he probably can't. If he's done any real investigating into the matter at the DOJ, he's found out that the Cole Memo was not a product of Obama having a "yay pot" attitude, but rather it was the Feds themselves taking a hard appraisal of the situation and realizing they didn't have very many appealing options. People make quite a bit out of the years of raids on California medical mj businesses, however often lost in the discussion is the fact that Colorado's medical marijuana program, even before they legalized recreational, was a much tighter and legally sound regulatory scheme than California's Prop 215. And in comparison to CA, the feds left CO largely alone, even then.

215 was groundbreaking, to be sure, however it did not so much change CA law on Marijuana as provide a defense for users and caregivers- as such, it did not create the same conflict btw federal and state law that CO's law did, and left the door open IMHO to raids at the federal level.

The point here, is, there's a reason why the Feds aren't coming in and shutting down the well-regulated state marijuana businesses, and it isn't just because the previous administration took a supposedly "permissive" approach. Could they? Yeah, they probably could. But it would not be easy or simple or even necessarily legally sound, much less politically tenable.

So what Sessions is doing, here, is trying to placate the Hugh Hewitt crowd by promising that he's gonna bully pulpit the shit out of legal weed and go all "reefer madness" every chance he gets. And I suspect Federal enforcement will focus on things like interstate transport of weed, etc. Sure, it's maddening to hear him spout stupid lies about pot every five minutes. But from the perspective of state-legal marijuana businesses, who the fuck cares?

underpants

(182,750 posts)
36. Those damned Hippies!
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 06:27 AM
Mar 2017

Great post.

He is fighting a battle from the 60's - the "church crowd" didn't take to kindly to people actually living like Jesus.


Hannity's father explains

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
13. I sometimes wonder if these people would be different if they had ever tried mj
Wed Mar 15, 2017, 10:21 PM
Mar 2017

Because clearly Sessions hasn't.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
22. I think the takeaway here is that he's gonna do a Nancy Reagan impression
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 03:50 AM
Mar 2017

he's gonna sit up there in his perch in the Keebler tree and tell the chill'uns how terrible the wacky weed is, but he realizes that if states legalize there's not a ton he can do about it.

That's fine. He can spout stupid shit all day long about how awful pot is, if my state is still taking in tax revenue and not battling the feds on this deal.

Worktodo

(288 posts)
14. It's too bad
Wed Mar 15, 2017, 10:40 PM
Mar 2017

Lots of public health data from around the world on how to treat opiod addition. The problem here in the US is that we treat drug addiction as a law enforcement problem and not a public health problem. That's not Jeff Session's fault. He's just trying to be the best darn prosecutor he can be. He went to law school not med school. The War on Drugs is a structural defect. Sessions comments are just a symptom.

ecstatic

(32,681 posts)
16. I wonder if Jeff Sessions' real motives are related to
Wed Mar 15, 2017, 11:24 PM
Mar 2017

the forced birth movement? He's a white supremacist who is against birth control, abortion, etc. Why? Because white women are having fewer babies, and babies of color are now the majority. Also, there are studies circulating that marijuana dramatically reduces male fertility. If Sessions believes that to be true, then he would view marijuana as a threat.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
21. Those studies are bullshit.
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 03:10 AM
Mar 2017

Trust me on this. If they weren't, none of the people I used to go on Dead tour with would have needed to use birth control.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
20. Well, when you pull shit out of your ass, you sound like sessions.
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 12:33 AM
Mar 2017

What an illiterate asshat. Fuck clinical studies and science. We are just going to make up shit about mj because it is messing with our friends in big pharma.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
23. More consequential, from a policy perspective, was probably his Q&A with reporters immediately after
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 03:54 AM
Mar 2017
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jeff-sessions-legal-marijuana_us_58c967c0e4b03b1fc5cf5ca8

"Essentially we’re not able to go into a state and pick up the work that the police and sheriffs have been doing for decades," he said.


http://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/jeff-sessions-takes-questions-about-russia/

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
25. What's enjoyable about this, however, is he is essentially acknowledging
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 05:08 AM
Mar 2017

that all he can actually do about the 8 states that have legalized marijuana, is complain.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
28. I could be wrong, but buried in this and the Q&A that followed
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 05:39 AM
Mar 2017

is pretty much an acknowledgement to that effect.

http://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/jeff-sessions-takes-questions-about-russia/

(animated elf begins talking about weed at 4:20 ... honest)

I don't doubt that he wants to do more, he's certainly getting pressure from right-wing authoritarians to do more, but, realistically, I'm not sure he can, states rights or no.

That's one thing that I think gets lost in this debate- it may not matter too much who is running the show in DC or the DOJ-- the Cole Memo grew out of a recognition of the simple fact that on-the-ground drug law enforcement is not feasible from the federal level. If the States won't help them out, there's a very limited amount they can actually do.

kimbutgar

(21,115 posts)
26. Maybe if Sessions smoked some reefer he'd be more chill and enlightened
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 05:15 AM
Mar 2017

Instead of being the brain dead racist zombie he is!

 

burnbaby

(685 posts)
30. apparently he has never had a child addicted to heroin
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 05:44 AM
Mar 2017

or a loved one in pain or with cancer were marijuana could have brought some comfort to them. This pisses me off, but it is a fight he will lose

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
33. It's ridiculous. People die from alcohol withdrawls, ffs
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 06:05 AM
Mar 2017

No one needs hospitalization for life-threatening physiological shit like th DTs when they quit cannabis. No one.

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
41. Nah
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 12:06 PM
Mar 2017

Remember, Sessions had no problem with those good folks of the Klan until he learned that they smoked weed.

LTG

(215 posts)
37. Money laundering might be one angle of attack.
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 06:28 AM
Mar 2017

The Justice Department can threaten banks with the violation of money laundering laws. This was a big concern initially, until the Feds signaled they would not be seeking to punish banks and credit card companies for providing services to pot shops.

Most banks initially refused accounts to any business in the pot industry. This forced growers, transporters and sellers into being cash businesses. Having huge amounts of cash on hand creates a huge security and safety issue.

The Feds simply need to notify financial service providers that they've reevaluated the situation and will begin enforcing the applicable federal laws. I think most of them would fall into line very quickly.

Banks would be subject to seizures, fines and other sanctions, as would suppliers and stores. The RICO Act would also apply. Raids could end up actually profitable.

The Justice Department has some teeth to enforce with, even without local law enforcement assistance.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
42. Sessions is only slightly less awful than Dump
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 12:27 PM
Mar 2017

But then, understanding what marijuana and heroin do involves icky science stuff that only liberals like.

Johonny

(20,829 posts)
44. It's stupid talk like this that leads people into heroin and other more dangerous drugs
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 02:09 PM
Mar 2017

because hey, that pot wasn't so bad and I heard heroins just as bad so what's the big deal...

Lying hurts public health.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,365 posts)
45. These are the types of people who never got high when they were younger....
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 02:13 PM
Mar 2017

because they were such douchebags even back then, no one WANTED to get high with them.

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