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MineralMan

(146,254 posts)
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:09 AM Mar 2017

So, What Republican Started the "The Russians Are Our Friends" Meme?

When did this whole trend begin? For half a century or longer, the Russians have been the arch-enemy of Republicans and conservatives. Now, suddenly, they've changed their tune. Suddenly.

What happened, and who started it? It's clearly a talking-point, now, with even Ann Coulter echoing this line.

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So, What Republican Started the "The Russians Are Our Friends" Meme? (Original Post) MineralMan Mar 2017 OP
So much for the "Evil Empire" Chasstev365 Mar 2017 #1
Well PatSeg Mar 2017 #2
NEXT: "Russia is our closest friend and ally" dalton99a Mar 2017 #3
The Russian Federation now is a capitalist-imperialist state and has been KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #4
same people running it as pre 91 Abu Pepe Mar 2017 #13
Got a link to support that slander on the USSR? - nt KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #14
Good question. tanyev Mar 2017 #5
Manafort, When surprise! he dropped out of the sky as a "volunteer" campaign worker for trump Sunlei Mar 2017 #6
manafort was his handler mopinko Mar 2017 #15
Here's "what" started it....and why Homeoutside Mar 2017 #7
They look to Russia for affirmation: the White "race" must rule. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2017 #8
Since Dubya looked Putin in the eye and saw his soul? sweetloukillbot Mar 2017 #9
Republicans greed Kindnesscostszero Mar 2017 #10
Others also... SHRED Mar 2017 #11
Yes. The "Alt-Left" appears to have embraced Putinism MineralMan Mar 2017 #12
When they realized that the warnings they heard ... GeorgeGist Mar 2017 #16
G W Bush first made Putin acceptable after 9/11 but profit chase after 2008 is main driver delisen Mar 2017 #17
Very interesting. Thank you for the reply. MineralMan Mar 2017 #18
It goes farther back.....think Delay and Russian pay to play. msanthrope Mar 2017 #20
Tom DeLay, Abramahoff....the current White House counsel, McGahn msanthrope Mar 2017 #19
Hmm...thanks. MineralMan Mar 2017 #21
If they helped T get elected, that makes them our friend. Amaryllis Mar 2017 #22
BBC "Town Hall" meeting in SC TwistOneUp Oct 2017 #23

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
1. So much for the "Evil Empire"
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:12 AM
Mar 2017

If Benedict Donald owed Iran money, Iran would be our friend.

This Russian thing will turn out to be the most fraudulent business deal in history.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
4. The Russian Federation now is a capitalist-imperialist state and has been
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:19 AM
Mar 2017

since 1991. IOW, perfectly in tune with Republican ideology. The wonder is that Repubs didn't embrace Russia and Putin long before this. (They may have, actually, witness Tillerson's deals with the Russian Federation.)

Republican opposition to the USSR made sense, given that Republicans are capitalists and the USSR was socialist. LIkewise Republican alignment with a capitalist-imperialist Russian Federation makes sense.

Abu Pepe

(637 posts)
13. same people running it as pre 91
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 11:16 AM
Mar 2017

Putin and all the oligarchs and their families were the 1 percent upper party and gov. folks in the Soviet Days.

tanyev

(42,516 posts)
5. Good question.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:20 AM
Mar 2017

In 2014 they were still excoriating Obama for being too weak to stand up to Putin. I think at some point their Obama hatred overwhelmed their Russia hatred and they began to see the enemy of their enemy as a friend.

mopinko

(69,990 posts)
15. manafort was his handler
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 11:23 AM
Mar 2017

till it got too obvious who was holding HIS leash.

and yeah, how these things spread has always surprised me.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
8. They look to Russia for affirmation: the White "race" must rule.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 10:28 AM
Mar 2017

Russia is more than happy to oblige because they see white supremacy as a pathway to power and dominance: NOT as a nation that promotes white supremacy, but as a nation intent on controlling the flow of capital. Russians are, by cultural preference, a practical people. They espouse ideologies only for political and economic gain. They are using the "white nationalist" movement to expand their power base. White nationalist movements are "useful tools". For the Russians, it's a pretty simple formula. The US right wing and alt-right movements have surrendered to Russia's bait and Putin's grand design. Putin's playing them for suckers and they haven't a clue.

10. Republicans greed
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 11:07 AM
Mar 2017

After the fall of the Soviet Union, the thievery began in earnest. Nationalized resources were exploited and stolen, and the mobsters have taken over. The big one remains at the top, widely regarded as the 200 billion$ man.

The evangelicals here like him for several reasons, his unwavering intolerance to LBGT high among them. Add a healthy dose of propaganda through RT, and bot armies.. weak minds like to be told what to think. Republicans generally lack ethics, and like to line their own pockets. Dangerous combo, playing out in real-time.

delisen

(6,042 posts)
17. G W Bush first made Putin acceptable after 9/11 but profit chase after 2008 is main driver
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:02 PM
Mar 2017

Here is an interesting description of Putin's core constituency from Condoleezza Rice, G W Bush's Secy of State

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-05/putin-thinks-he-s-vladimir-the-great-condoleezza-rice-says

Despite how much the Russian economy suffers from the low price of oil -- its budget is balanced at $105 per barrel not $80 -- Rice said she "would be very surprised if you see a change in the way that they approach the economy.” She explained that was because Putin’s largesse is rooted in the need to maintain his core constituents: the uneducated, the elderly, the retired military, and the rural populations.

Seems almost identical Trump's supposed core, almost as though Trump had been tutored in outreach to voters.

So much for the core voters-they help to win elections legally or get a Republican close enough to cheat and win.

The Republican Party office holders, corporate donors, oil and gas industry,and operatives are a different matter-their main interest is huge profits and Putin's Russia was going to be the next market where double digit profits could be made.

I think Putin and Russian investors/business leaders have been doing outreach for awhile to Republicans based on these business interests. Russia was beginning to be seen as the hot new market where it was possible to make huge profits--that was before the Clinton criticism of the Russian elections and the economic sanctions of the Obama administration.

Putin would have taken notice of Devin Nunes, opposing NATO preferences pressuring the Pentagon to move surveillance activities to the Azores.

Clinton and Obama were standing in the way of profits and I think many Republicans,especially the younger ones who tend to be even more authoritarian than the older ones, reacted. The fact that Putin is an anti-muslim, white, "christian," nationalist strongman is probably very appealing to the younger generation of Republicans,. A stable market where large profits can be made (and where you can use a simple tool like bribery to avoid any regulations), so long as you don't cross the dictatorial leader-is what they want.

The older group of Republicans know not to trust Putin and Russia-but they view the oil and gas opportunities as worth the risk. Rice, as an oil/gas industry person almost certainly was involved in Tillerson's appointment as Secy of State. She would be acting in what she perceives to be the US's economic interest re oil and gas even though she has no illusions about Putin.

G W Bush opened the door to Putin after 9/11 but I think it the double digit profits chase that came later was the actual beginning of the infiltration of the Republican Party.




 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
20. It goes farther back.....think Delay and Russian pay to play.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:10 PM
Mar 2017

Delays lawyer is now White House counsel.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
19. Tom DeLay, Abramahoff....the current White House counsel, McGahn
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 12:08 PM
Mar 2017

was counsel for Delay over the Russian pay-to-play scandal.....

Back in the Clinton Justice Department...... the Republicans have been in bed with Russia for good 20 years now. Now you know why Putin cannot stand the Clintons..... the Clinton doj made it tougher for them to do business.

TwistOneUp

(1,020 posts)
23. BBC "Town Hall" meeting in SC
Sun Oct 22, 2017, 11:04 PM
Oct 2017

Some GOP congresswoman said, "our friends, the russians" and my blood pressure doubled. They take away Queer rights, they all but ban abortion, they PRAY IN CONGRESS "in Jesus' name", and now they're bending over for the russians. We better win something in 2018 or we'll be toast by 2020...

How do you like living in a theocracy? Because that's what the GOP has turned the USA into.

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