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Bernie: "time to join the industrialized world and guarantee health care" (Original Post) L. Coyote Mar 2017 OP
That's wonderful, Bernie. yallerdawg Mar 2017 #1
I'm sorry that you don't think that this message should be repeated over and over again... demmiblue Mar 2017 #3
As you know, we just had elections which let "America" weigh in on this subject. yallerdawg Mar 2017 #8
Good lawd. demmiblue Mar 2017 #10
Bernie is front and center in that "desperate fight". beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #19
Think of the people that have it made! Retired or close to it. They have theirs. We can't put brewens Mar 2017 #51
The older, white demographic gave you Hillary's defeat. yallerdawg Mar 2017 #52
+1000 stonecutter357 Mar 2017 #78
Keep hammering it home, Senator Sanders. demmiblue Mar 2017 #2
So when does he actually start DOING something about it? Blue_Tires Mar 2017 #4
In your reality, our Democratic Congress members should not fight the repeal/replace of the ACA. demmiblue Mar 2017 #7
Lol. These threads crack me up. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2017 #15
"Never ever , Pie in the Sky" bahrbearian Mar 2017 #17
Was going to ask the very same question. George II Mar 2017 #33
having a platform that you are heard from and using that platform is doing something. It is making JCanete Mar 2017 #70
Informing the public and rousing them to Crunchy Frog Mar 2017 #36
He's working on this every single day, around the country. I'm shocked at his fervor and endurance JudyM Mar 2017 #43
+1000 stonecutter357 Mar 2017 #79
At least somebody is talking about single payer universal healthcare... Talk Is Cheap Mar 2017 #5
It is way more important to fight for the ACA...please advise what Bernie has to say on this... Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #20
You've got to be kidding. He's been all over the news and holding town halls, like in WV last week. JudyM Mar 2017 #44
Baffling that that seems to be seen by some as "doing nothing." Beartracks Mar 2017 #53
They have eyes but do not see. JudyM Mar 2017 #62
Excellent! What's the plan, Bernie? Whatcha got? What's next? NurseJackie Mar 2017 #6
read the "medcare for all act" legislation he introduced in the senate nt msongs Mar 2017 #9
What's his legislative success rate? Is this something that's likely to get very far? NurseJackie Mar 2017 #11
this is all I could find on bernie actually introducting such a bill - msongs Mar 2017 #12
We didn't get to the moon in a single shot. So why should universal health care be any different? NurseJackie Mar 2017 #13
They forget that Medicare and Social Security were completely different when Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #21
Start Scarsdale Mar 2017 #27
That's a goal, but it's not a plan. What's the plan? NurseJackie Mar 2017 #28
GOP would never, ever vote for universal healthcare UltravioletDingo Mar 2017 #14
Whenever they start talking about liquid diamond Mar 2017 #97
Great to see Bernie is bargaining from the left and not starting in the middle. jalan48 Mar 2017 #16
I just have to say that what is the purpose of bringing up single payer? There will be no bargain Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #22
Continuing to remind (educate), we the people, of the possibilities. jalan48 Mar 2017 #24
Exactly - this is a dig at Trumpcare and Republican efforts to repeal the ACA. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #29
You need to read up on that a bit. Ted Kennedy was Romney's partner on this and used his influence seaglass Mar 2017 #56
That was over 20 years ago-Bernie's just reminding us about the Universal Health Care because it jalan48 Mar 2017 #65
I don't understand the responses - how is this a controversial statement? beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #18
Some people like to watch for Bernie threads so they can poop in them. Crunchy Frog Mar 2017 #37
I feel sorry for them. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #40
The erudite term is scatological besmearment. L. Coyote Mar 2017 #41
Bernie recently had a town hall in West Virginia, moderated by Chris Hayes. dgauss Mar 2017 #23
I find it baffling as well. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #25
He's a liberal. That's good enough for me. Beartracks Mar 2017 #31
Well said. I'm originally from Vermont where we tend to care less about party and more about actions beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #32
They must have lurrrrved Joe Lieberman back when he had a D next to his name. Crunchy Frog Mar 2017 #38
You hit it on the head. It's not substantive opposition, it's the partisan personality politics they JudyM Mar 2017 #46
Yet somehow BainsBane Mar 2017 #59
Um. Town meeting... introducing legislation... arguing publicly for it multiple times a week... JudyM Mar 2017 #63
Except when Democrats controlled congress BainsBane Mar 2017 #66
Too ridiculous to respond to. JudyM Mar 2017 #67
So much for facts BainsBane Mar 2017 #68
Conservatives criticize Bernie all the time for his stance on health care. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author betsuni Mar 2017 #88
Interesting and useful, bmus, thanks for that perspective. JudyM Mar 2017 #89
Thanks for the heads up! He's everywhere, isn't he? Bernie is a mensch! beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #90
Excellent visual! smirkymonkey Mar 2017 #26
There are some nice retirement spots in Chile, the Lakes region. L. Coyote Mar 2017 #42
OUR system is ANTI-COMPETATIVE. we are against companies that have govt health care. pansypoo53219 Mar 2017 #30
I want to see our side putting comparative dollar or percentage Blue_true Mar 2017 #34
Yep, because republicans will counter with some BS about Government expenditure.. JHan Mar 2017 #45
. JudyM Mar 2017 #47
:D JHan Mar 2017 #48
DURec leftstreet Mar 2017 #35
Costa Rica has it too. Their life expectancy now exceeds ours. Crunchy Frog Mar 2017 #39
K&R. Exactly the kind of quick to absorb, pithy message and meme we need. JudyM Mar 2017 #49
You need it for what? BainsBane Mar 2017 #58
To get the truth heard by voters through the RW noise. JudyM Mar 2017 #64
Yes, millions follow him on social media and share his message. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #75
I don't know about it being an age thing as much as a closed-minded thing. JudyM Mar 2017 #91
Oh definitely, some people are so caught up they can't see straight. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #92
Another K&R for the Bernie and universal Health care!!! (nt) LostOne4Ever Mar 2017 #50
Kicking for Bernie and guaranteed health care. democrank Mar 2017 #54
I have had enough of Bernie. nikibatts Mar 2017 #55
Oh jeez Blue_Warrior Mar 2017 #81
Now is the time? BainsBane Mar 2017 #57
A few things on this and my first post! FDRsGhost Mar 2017 #60
Welcome to DU, FDRsGhost! CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2017 #69
Hey thanks! FDRsGhost Mar 2017 #71
Hello, FDRsGhost! Rhiannon12866 Mar 2017 #72
Thank you for the warm welcome! FDRsGhost Mar 2017 #93
welcome to DU gopiscrap Mar 2017 #94
:) Thank you! I shall try and be as active as possible FDRsGhost Mar 2017 #96
Bernie tweets, too!! Progressive dog Mar 2017 #61
And he's out there every day, still walking the walk, and talking with Americans of all persuasions Rhiannon12866 Mar 2017 #73
Yep. Every. Single. Day. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #76
You don't need to convince me Rhiannon12866 Mar 2017 #77
Right? Long time Bernistas have known about him for years. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #80
That is very cool! I remember Jim Jeffords! Rhiannon12866 Mar 2017 #83
Oh I forgot, I met Governor Dean too, twice! beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #86
That's the thing! It's not too remarkable to run across the governor, LOL. Rhiannon12866 Mar 2017 #87
lol. stonecutter357 Mar 2017 #82
Yes! Rec! Blue_Warrior Mar 2017 #84
Bernie: "People are not truly free when they have no health care." L. Coyote Mar 2017 #85
It will never ever happen here. liquid diamond Mar 2017 #95

demmiblue

(36,806 posts)
3. I'm sorry that you don't think that this message should be repeated over and over again...
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 02:42 PM
Mar 2017

sad!

I, for one, embrace anyone who pushes single payer healthcare. Fiercely and continuously.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
8. As you know, we just had elections which let "America" weigh in on this subject.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 02:55 PM
Mar 2017

Today, we are in a desperate fight for any kind of socialized healthcare we have left!

I guess we're back to pragmatism vs wishful thinking. Great.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
19. Bernie is front and center in that "desperate fight".
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 03:43 PM
Mar 2017
Sanders, Democrats rally thousands across the country to save Obamacare

"Our First Stand," the catchall theme for the protests, represents one of the the earliest protests by an opposition party against an incoming president. Brainstormed by Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and Democratic leaders in Congress, each rally introduced crowds to men and women who had faced death or bankruptcy before the ACA went into effect, then challenged Republicans to listen to their stories. Rattled during the ACA's passage by tea party protests and raucous congressional town hall meetings, Democrats were flipping the script.

"The immediate goal of the rallies is to show Republicans that the majority of people are against repealing the Affordable Care Act," Sanders said in an interview this week.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-bernie-sanders-michigan-healthcare-rally-20170115-story,amp.html



One can be pragmatic and still fight for something better.

brewens

(13,517 posts)
51. Think of the people that have it made! Retired or close to it. They have theirs. We can't put
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 11:24 PM
Mar 2017

them at any risk to make thing better for everyone. Nope. We have to just trust Goldman Sachs and their puppets to be kind to us. Some of the rest of us are sure to scrounge enough scraps to end up okay.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
52. The older, white demographic gave you Hillary's defeat.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 11:34 PM
Mar 2017

When we die off - you get to fulfill all your dreams!

Just like we did.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
4. So when does he actually start DOING something about it?
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 02:45 PM
Mar 2017

Or does he plan to make this happen without congress and presidential approval?

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
70. having a platform that you are heard from and using that platform is doing something. It is making
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 08:43 PM
Mar 2017

the unheard of, the pragmatic and reasonable in the court of public opinion. I'll take that over working within political realities. We need to make that political reality, not be confined to its low ceiling constraints.

Crunchy Frog

(26,574 posts)
36. Informing the public and rousing them to
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 05:30 PM
Mar 2017

Put pressure on their legislators is a critical component in getting anything accomplished. To the degree that the Democratic party fails to grasp this, they will continue to lose, and the Rs will continue to control the agenda.

I'm glad that at least Bernie seems to have figured that out.

JudyM

(29,176 posts)
43. He's working on this every single day, around the country. I'm shocked at his fervor and endurance
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 09:21 PM
Mar 2017

And he's a good bit older than me.

 

Talk Is Cheap

(389 posts)
5. At least somebody is talking about single payer universal healthcare...
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 02:50 PM
Mar 2017

Where are the Dems on this? Why are they not screaming from the rooftops to push this?

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
20. It is way more important to fight for the ACA...please advise what Bernie has to say on this...
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 03:43 PM
Mar 2017

I have not seen much.

JudyM

(29,176 posts)
44. You've got to be kidding. He's been all over the news and holding town halls, like in WV last week.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 09:24 PM
Mar 2017

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
6. Excellent! What's the plan, Bernie? Whatcha got? What's next?
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 02:50 PM
Mar 2017

Where do we go from here? How we gonna get there? Whadda we do?

I'm excited about this! Lead the way!

Tell us, Bernie! How can we make this happen?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
11. What's his legislative success rate? Is this something that's likely to get very far?
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 03:01 PM
Mar 2017

Is it realistic?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
13. We didn't get to the moon in a single shot. So why should universal health care be any different?
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 03:18 PM
Mar 2017
of course the bill went nowhere.

If he keeps ignoring the political reality and "shooting for the moon" his efforts will continue to fail and "go nowhere". Time and effort are wasted, and NO progress is made. Meanwhile the GOP grows stronger and stronger.

time to try again...and again...and again

I've always preferred an approach that's more realistic. The notion that repetitive "brute force" of these grand bills will just magically pass is a foolish one. It's never going to happen that way. Rather than getting nothing done (but sounding great as we do nothing) it would be better if those in charge could set aside the vanity and swallow their pride and just accept the fact that progress on this front will be made incrementally.

give dems control of the debate

Sure! Okay. How?

Can someone just snap their fingers and make it so? That would be nice.



Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
21. They forget that Medicare and Social Security were completely different when
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 03:44 PM
Mar 2017

they were created...they both evolved over the years...patience is needed here.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
27. Start
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 04:25 PM
Mar 2017

by electing democratic politicians, get rid of the gop. All that deadwood has to be removed. They did nothing about anything for the 8 years that President Obama was in office except obstruct EVERY DAMN THING. They worked very few days, worst record EVER. Now they have a lunatic in the WH, and back him on every stupid thig he does.

UltravioletDingo

(65 posts)
14. GOP would never, ever vote for universal healthcare
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 03:20 PM
Mar 2017

It's the antithesis of their ideology. They will never see healthcare as a basic human right.

 

liquid diamond

(1,917 posts)
97. Whenever they start talking about
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 12:25 PM
Mar 2017

unicorns, I ask how the fuck will they get republican support (which is necessary) to pass their fantasy bills. That usually shuts them up.

jalan48

(13,833 posts)
16. Great to see Bernie is bargaining from the left and not starting in the middle.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 03:23 PM
Mar 2017

This is how we get what we want and not what the Republican's want (Romney Care).

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
22. I just have to say that what is the purpose of bringing up single payer? There will be no bargain
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 03:48 PM
Mar 2017

that would include single payer. The Republicans have all avenues of power...we will be lucky to keep what we have...single payer can not happen until we have all the power. We should expend our energy on stopping the GOP at every turn...obstruction is our only option. And we won't always win either...getting ready for off year elections and 18 is very important as well.

jalan48

(13,833 posts)
24. Continuing to remind (educate), we the people, of the possibilities.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 03:52 PM
Mar 2017

Pretending that what was originally a Republican idea, RomneyCare, is the best we can do moves the Party and the people nowhere.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
29. Exactly - this is a dig at Trumpcare and Republican efforts to repeal the ACA.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 04:39 PM
Mar 2017

It's a reminder that the fight is far from over.

seaglass

(8,171 posts)
56. You need to read up on that a bit. Ted Kennedy was Romney's partner on this and used his influence
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 07:37 AM
Mar 2017

to get and keep the MA overwhelmingly Dem legislature on board. Kennedy saw it as a path to universal care.

jalan48

(13,833 posts)
65. That was over 20 years ago-Bernie's just reminding us about the Universal Health Care because it
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:13 AM
Mar 2017

appears a lot of people and politicians have forgotten about it. It's OK to be a liberal and support real liberal values.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
18. I don't understand the responses - how is this a controversial statement?
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 03:36 PM
Mar 2017

Senator Sanders always advocated health care for all and is fighting like hell to save the ACA. As far as I know it is still possible to continue to do both.

Bernie sees health care for all as a human right and he's not going to stop fighting for it. It's almost as though some would rather he let the Republicans have the spotlight. When did failure become an acceptable outcome? With that attitude we never would have kept fighting for women's right to vote, civil rights or marriage equality.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
40. I feel sorry for them.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 05:47 PM
Mar 2017

Maybe some day they'll get over their obsession and join the resistance against Trump.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
41. The erudite term is scatological besmearment.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 06:33 PM
Mar 2017
Make it stink so people move on, have negative associations.
It is also known as the stinky troll syndrome among psychological professionals.

dgauss

(881 posts)
23. Bernie recently had a town hall in West Virginia, moderated by Chris Hayes.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 03:48 PM
Mar 2017

While talking about universal health care, he asked a West Virginian coal miner if he thought everyone should have health care coverage and the guy agreed that yes everyone should. I see that as progress.

He's not trying to snap his fingers to make something happen. He's been trying for years to convince Americans that it should happen, that it makes sense. And whether people want to give him any credit for it, I think attitudes about universal health care are changing.

Sanders has long made the point that major changes only happen when large numbers of people come together and force the issue. If enough people believe that the U.S. should have some type of universal health care coverage, and demand it, then just maybe at some point in the future we'll get there. Maybe not. But if the attempt isn't made to convince people it's the right thing to do, there won't be a push for it and then for sure we'll never get there.

I find the constant attempt, by Democrats, to undermine his efforts towards this goal baffling.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
25. I find it baffling as well.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 04:02 PM
Mar 2017

Why would anyone want to silence a powerful liberal voice when we need him the most?

To be fair it's only a few Duers who seem to have an agenda against Bernie, elsewhere on the net people are thrilled he's still fighting for us.

Beartracks

(12,787 posts)
31. He's a liberal. That's good enough for me.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 04:52 PM
Mar 2017

A lot of Dems and DU posters diss him because he doesn't carry a Democratic Party membership card, and practically blow off anything and everything he says and does just because of that. Seriously, it's like if you posted a list of Bernie's quotes and positions without attribution, these folks would be all, "Yeah, I agree with that! We need more leaders to say/do these things!" -- but then if you reveal the quote was from Bernie, they're like, "Pfft, tell us something we DON'T know, Bernie. Come back when you're a Democrat and then maybe I'll listen, but until then get off the stage!"



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beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
32. Well said. I'm originally from Vermont where we tend to care less about party and more about actions
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 05:01 PM
Mar 2017

I could care less if Bernie has a D behind his name, especially since he's far more liberal than many Democrats.

I think his status as an independent is an asset now since Republicans are trying to dismiss the opposition as partisan politics.

If people want to pitch a fit every time Bernie is in the headlines they're in for a rough ride. He's not going anywhere and he's more popular than ever so they'd better buckle up.

JudyM

(29,176 posts)
46. You hit it on the head. It's not substantive opposition, it's the partisan personality politics they
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 09:29 PM
Mar 2017

otherwise decry. They can't let any contradictory, truthful information in.

BainsBane

(53,010 posts)
59. Yet somehow
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 08:05 AM
Mar 2017

Had nothing to say on the subject, other than to tell people it wasn't possible, when Democrats had a legislative majority were working on a healthcare bill. I guess that just wasn't "the time", but now is?

No one is "undermining his efforts." Rather some of us don't see tweets as "efforts," but it satisfies his fans. So yeah! Bernie tweeted! He's amazing!

JudyM

(29,176 posts)
63. Um. Town meeting... introducing legislation... arguing publicly for it multiple times a week...
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 09:52 AM
Mar 2017

But if the whole game is to tear him down, actual facts don't matter. Just Negative Nancy.

BainsBane

(53,010 posts)
66. Except when Democrats controlled congress
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:15 AM
Mar 2017

And were working on a healthcare law. Then he said single payer was a non-starter. Somehow the "time" had to wait for a GOP congress. That doesn't compute with my understanding of civics, but apparently I just don't understand "the facts." If Bernie decides to start working to get some legislation passed, more power to him. That, however, isn't accomplished on twitter or his regular series of prime time TV specials but rather in congress, and it requires support from the GOP leadership. But you go ahead and get angry because "negative Nancies" like me have the nerve to think about something besides promoting one member of the political elite. You know, lesser matters like the citizens of this country. Far be it from me to discourage you from focusing on the only game that matters here: Bernie.

You'll just have to deal with the fact that as long as this country remains semi-democratic, some of us will not be treating politicians as monarchs.







BainsBane

(53,010 posts)
68. So much for facts
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:41 AM
Mar 2017
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) reminded the progressive media gathered on Capitol Hill today that single-payer health care reform was dead before it started in the Senate.

"It would have had 8 or 10 votes and that's it," he said, addressing a topic central in the minds of many who the bloggers and left wing talk show hosts gathered for the 4th annual Senate Democratic Progressive Media Summit in Washington reach everyday.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/sanders-single-payer-never-had-a-chance

Naturally you wouldn't let something as minor as healthcare policy get in the way of what you really care about.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
74. Conservatives criticize Bernie all the time for his stance on health care.
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 06:39 AM
Mar 2017

When Bernie is pragmatic they call him a hypocrite, when he fights for 'unicorns' (aka Medicare for all) they call him a pie in the sky dreamer.

He's fighting for the ACA and reminding people that single payer universal healthcare is the goal - that's bound to piss off those who want to keep the profit in health care.

Progressives shouldn't pay any attention to conservative critics. I'm trying to follow Bernie's lead - focus on fighting the Republicans and ignore the distractions. There will always be a small group of angry haters following around every progressive politician, they're insignificant, like conservative gnats swarming around a liberal lion.

Stay positive and keep up the good work!

Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #74)

JudyM

(29,176 posts)
89. Interesting and useful, bmus, thanks for that perspective.
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 09:00 AM
Mar 2017

He is inspiring so many... plugging away on multiple fronts for decades. If you didn't spot the thread on the huge landfill solar capture setup he facilitated in Burlington, check it out: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=218507

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
90. Thanks for the heads up! He's everywhere, isn't he? Bernie is a mensch!
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 09:07 AM
Mar 2017

No wonder his detractors are so angry.

I just wish we had more like him.

pansypoo53219

(20,948 posts)
30. OUR system is ANTI-COMPETATIVE. we are against companies that have govt health care.
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 04:48 PM
Mar 2017

its a COST they do not have.our do. ITS LOGICAL.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
34. I want to see our side putting comparative dollar or percentage
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 05:11 PM
Mar 2017

numbers in their arguments. It is one thing to say that everyone needs universal health care, but saying that countries that have universal healthcare saves each citizen x amount per year while saving y more lives than our system does hits opponents where it hurts.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
45. Yep, because republicans will counter with some BS about Government expenditure..
Sat Mar 18, 2017, 09:28 PM
Mar 2017

and their usual mantra about Government bungling things up while making drastic cuts.

I think this is the perfect time to push hard on this because the Republicans are on the backfoot.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
75. Yes, millions follow him on social media and share his message.
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 06:44 AM
Mar 2017

Messaging is very important, it's stupid to cede social media to Trump and the GOP. Of course some old folks don't understand how influential that particular platform can be, they still think it's a fad.

Tweeting? What good does that do? I don't get it.

They ignore it at their peril while shouting at kids to get off their lawn.

JudyM

(29,176 posts)
91. I don't know about it being an age thing as much as a closed-minded thing.
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 09:08 AM
Mar 2017

And to some, the method or substance doesn't matter, just attack like a Pavlovian fool when you pick up a scent that makes you uncomfortable.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
92. Oh definitely, some people are so caught up they can't see straight.
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 09:20 AM
Mar 2017

I've seen a few people sneering at his tweets - which is really bizarre considering how many other political leaders use Twitter. I assumed they were old and stuck in their ways, that would explain their inability to understand why it's important to use social media to reach young people. But you're right, it's not an age thing. It could be just an excuse to complain.

 

Blue_Warrior

(135 posts)
81. Oh jeez
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 07:01 AM
Mar 2017

Here is Bernie fighting for us, fighting for ME and you're going to crap on him? Now it's BERNIES fault that trump won ?

Smh

 

FDRsGhost

(470 posts)
60. A few things on this and my first post!
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 09:01 AM
Mar 2017

This thread made me come out of lurking and register here on DU, congrats on that as I've read the site for 10 years. I've always found it to be the de facto standard for politics. However this thread and its responses brought me out to finally register because I had to say something.

I don't understand many of the responses here from several people who act as though single payer is a bad thing. Why is this exactly? We're liberals and in my eyes and heart, single payer which is true universal health care is basically an ideal for Democrats. Yet here in this thread we see several people basically fighting against it saying it won't pass, it won't get far, etc.

There's something in that message which I feel many are missing. Sometimes it isn't about "getting things done" as much as it is about "the fight". Democrats have had massive losses is the last 8 years with over 1,000 seats lost and currently govern just 6 states. Within that conversation about how that happened you hear one constant thing over and over; Democrats don't fight. Wouldn't screaming loudly about things like single payer and a living wage, over and over again essentially cure that assertion and in turn actually strengthen the party itself?

I do believe that it would.

While many concentrate on Trump (Frito Finger as I call him), we also can't lose touch of what makes us truly US. We simply can't be reactionary and the party of anti-Trump but need to scream from mountain top in America the platform and what we believe in. Stating that we are "different" and "how" we are different is incredibly valuable as midterms begin to approach. If we don't I fear we'll be in a lot worse shape with Republicans having the opportunity to have a constitutional convention which would spell utter disaster for anybody who has a heart and soul. You can basically kiss anything remotely liberal adios at that point; from Roe v Wade to minimum wage.

I personally don't get a lot of the Bernie condemnation at times. I mean the guy is out there holding town halls opposite of Ted Cruz and essentially being a massive recruiting tool for Democrats. This isn't a bad thing in fact it's bringing new blood and new energy into the party. So why the anger? I'd ask you to take a look at where he stands on the issues because in the end, that's what matters, right? Those issues define us politically and give us the leverage from which we fight from.

Back to single payer though; Bernie is right in what he says. I lived in Germany for quite awhile and the system there is so different than our own. I had my eyes really opened up. Nobody goes bankrupt from medical bills and nobody is dying from not having health insurance, unlike here in the United States. The ACA is great, but we need to be honest too, people in red states who didn't expand Medicaid are suffering really bad. Sure we won't get single payer until we have a majority but the fight is just beginning and health care has been fought for almost 100 years. Think about that for a second; a 100 years. If that doesn't make you angry then I don't know what does but it's a slow road and one of the biggest and the sooner we are out there on the issue, the better.

Anyways, hello DU!



CaliforniaPeggy

(149,499 posts)
69. Welcome to DU, FDRsGhost!
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 08:35 PM
Mar 2017

This is a great and well-thought out post--thank you for it.

I hope you will continue to speak your mind on topics which matter to all of us.

Again, Welcome!




Progressive dog

(6,898 posts)
61. Bernie tweets, too!!
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 09:11 AM
Mar 2017

He explained Health care policy in 140 words or fewer. It took Trump and gang 65 pages.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
76. Yep. Every. Single. Day.
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 06:47 AM
Mar 2017

He never stops fighting, Bernie is an incredible man and a potent weapon against Trump's agenda.

Rallies, town halls, editorials, interviews, social media, he's utilizing all of it.

Rhiannon12866

(204,491 posts)
77. You don't need to convince me
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 06:53 AM
Mar 2017

I'm not far from Vermont, spent my summers there growing up, and I still have friends there, we try to get together every year. I'm a long time fan of both Vermont senators, though I'm also grateful for mine. (In fact, Kirsten Gillibrand used to be my congresswoman! ) Back in 2012, my friend who I usually stay with was telling me about a Sanders rally she went to - and I begged her to take me with her the next time! He's an amazing advocate, and shows no sign of slowing down. I don't think I could keep up with him!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
80. Right? Long time Bernistas have known about him for years.
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 07:00 AM
Mar 2017

I love my home state, I've had the pleasure of voting for Pat, Bernie and even Jim Jeffords back in the day. Bernie might be a Brooklyn transplant but Vermonters are proud to claim him as one of their own. I don't think he'll ever have to worry about losing his seat, which is great for us - he can focus on national issues.

Glad to see you again!


Rhiannon12866

(204,491 posts)
83. That is very cool! I remember Jim Jeffords!
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 07:08 AM
Mar 2017

My only brush with Vermont greatness was meeting the governor - twice! My brother went to UVM and the governor showed up for events. I looked him up once and it turns out he was a Republican, LOL. But he was a nice guy and I liked him...

It's nice to see you again, too! I think of you often since we still could use the search function. Don't be a stranger, there seem to be fewer of us this time around...

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
86. Oh I forgot, I met Governor Dean too, twice!
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 07:15 AM
Mar 2017

So many great men from such a tiny state. And let's not forget Ben and Jerry's!


I'll be around, just like Bernie we're not going anywhere.

Rhiannon12866

(204,491 posts)
87. That's the thing! It's not too remarkable to run across the governor, LOL.
Mon Mar 20, 2017, 07:24 AM
Mar 2017

And I have passes to tour Ben and Jerry's in one of my pockets! One time I went canoeing with my friends and the canoe rental guys passed them out to everyone...

I had a time coming back after the hack, but I don't know how I'd be surviving now without DU!

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