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The secrecy? Even though the Trump campaign knew that Russia was suspected of interfering with our election, they continued contact with the Russian ambassador on the sly. Why?
What was Trump's interest in having Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, and Carter Gray working so closely with the Russians, especially in the Ukraine? Why did Trump choose Manafort to be his campaign Chairman?
Why did Roger Stone say on Twitter that he had contact with Julian Assange and Guccifer 2.0, and the Wikileaks conspiracy? What is his relationship with Donald Trump?
Why did Trump choose a person he had never met to be his Secretary of State? The same man that won the highest civilian honor awarded by the Russian government? What interest did Trump have in Exxon and the oil fields in northern Russia? Was he offered part of the action?
Why did Trump refuse to speak one unkind word about Vladimir Putin? Could it have anything to do with Russian money propping up his businesses around the world?
When the politicians say that there was no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, are they overlooking a lot of circumstantial evidence? If that is the case, why did the Trump appointees lie about talking to the Russians during the campaign period?
There is a lot to investigate. The smoke is too thick to see through.
Zoonart
(11,747 posts)for Comey to declare that there is o evidence. Case closed.
What happens then? Ask yourself... why is 45 confident enough to claim today that this is fake news?
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Congressional Democrats in the know believe this is something big. Comey will not be able to just say case close in this matter and it will be dropped.
Not saying it WILL be dropped. Just saying to expect an all out propaganda campaign of NOTHING to see here.
dchill
(38,315 posts)In fact, I think he's been in Queeg territory for well over a month. Today's tweets are particularly teeming with paranoia.
IMO.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,911 posts)That fits right in also
And that "Dossier".
kentuck
(110,947 posts)And a lot of questions that need to be answered. They must be answered.
Zoonart
(11,747 posts)will not cut it. If you intend to shoot the king, you must kill him. No smoking gun.., no habeas corpus... no body... no conviction = FAKE NEWS.
kentuck
(110,947 posts)It would be a dereliction to not do so.
Orrex
(63,083 posts)agreed that it would be a problem if Trump's people spoke with the Russians about political subjects.
Well what else would they have been discussing? Frankly, whatever the conversation was about, if a foreign government is meddling with an election and agents of a political campaign in that election are talking with representatives of that foreign government, then it's unavoidably "about political subjects."
To his credit, the Repub on NPR seemed a little rattled by the whole thing, and he also flatly declared that there's no evidence that Obama tapped Trump's wires.
kentuck
(110,947 posts)...even as our government had placed sanctions on Russia for interfering with our elections. The prospect of making a great deal was/is more important to Trump than being the President of the United States.
Orrex
(63,083 posts)And it's likely that Trump's mouthpieces will frame it that way.
But in the context of an ongoing political campaign in which Russia had been meddling, and especially after Trump publicly asked Russia to hack Clinton's emails, even a "pure" business discussion becomes fundamentally political.
Some would call it "collusion".
jmg257
(11,996 posts)He's been doing it since the 70s. He is a king-maker/lobbyist - Ford, Reagan, Bush, the Philippines, Ukraine, etc. And he worked with trump re: Indian casinos.
His ties to Russia/Ukraine can be 'explained away' exactly as circumstantial - 'it was his job', and since trump fired him after his nefarious ties came more to light.
Stone is Manafort partner, he is part of the business that loved dictators. , and became an advisor for trump. So it was their job to get trump elected. Stone's methods were/are known hard edge - a real scum bag of fake stories. Also removed from the campaign
Carter Page? A nobody till trump hired him likely being recommended from one of the other 2 - apparently mainly for his Russian ties.
All 3 were fired for their questionable actions, at least officially
Yep plenty of circumstantial connections. Hard evidence of collusion we have yet to see.