Is being a Deplorable and a loyal American mutually exclusive?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

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[RedWedge]

1. Do you now or have you ever...

This doesn't seem like a constructive thought exercise.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. My reply

You do a disservice to those falsely accused of disloyalty.

[RedWedge]

6. Aw, you really DO care.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. Here we go again.

[JCanete]

3. for good or bad, people are just far more complicated than that. Also, loyal is not the right word,

and I balk at the use of it regarding how we define our own citizenship. Being a patriot--defending American ideals--is different than loyalty, which has more of a ring of nationalism to it than I like.

Are people who defend some American ideals and human rights but not others, undermining American Idealism? Yes. Do they intend to? Do they know they are doing so? Do they understand the idealism that is worth defending in the first place, or have they either not been properly exposed to it, or lost sight of it?

Can a person be a hero and a schmuck at the same time? I'm pretty sure this is possible. I think the real question, and it's hard to know, is when does a person have beliefs and ideologies that are convenient because they align to self-serving goals
, and when does that person adhere to an ideology in-spite of or irrespective of, his or her own personal stake. The thing about this metric is you could be on the right side of history for the entirely wrong reasons, and on the wrong side of it for entirely the right reasons.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. They support foreign interference in our elections. That's a prima facie case of disloyalty.

Candidate Trump asked the Russians to interfere in our election. The Deplorable support him therefore they support foreign interference in our elections.

[RedWedge]

7. No, no. It's much more fun to reduce people to singular events in their lives, pass judgment, see

them forever as "other," and then shrug when such actions require us to follow a process that, once it defines people as traitors, follows through to an unfortunate and unavoidable end.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. Channeling Angela Merkel

"It's much better to talk to one another and not about one another."

-Angela Merkel

No, no. It's much more fun to reduce people to singular events in their lives

The Deplorables voted for Trump despite his asking the Russians to interfere in our election and they still support him. That doesn't sound like a "singular event." It seems like continuing behavior. Even Christ told the adulterer to go and "sin no more."

[MrScorpio]

5. Abso-fucking-lutely.

[NurseJackie]

9. If there can be Deplorables who call themselves Democrats, then anything is possible.