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by Trump, Sessions.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/23/1646686/-RussiaGate-blows-WIDE-OPEN-in-Abrahamson-report-High-crimes-and-misdemeanors-by-Trump-Sessions
msongs
(67,394 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)babylonsister
(171,054 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Sculpin Beauregard
(1,046 posts)iluvtennis
(19,844 posts)Jonny Appleseed
(960 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Renew Deal
(81,852 posts)That would be big if it's true.
Sculpin Beauregard
(1,046 posts)So I'm guessing yes, there's likely buckets of evidence.
Russian oil shares for presidency, folks!
Renew Deal
(81,852 posts)Firstly, that it was not reported. Bribery, conspiracy, racketeering... And then you get into the treason stuff.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)womanofthehills
(8,690 posts)http://www.businessinsider.com/carter-page-trump-russia-igor-sechin-dossier-2017-1
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)ChoppinBroccoli
(3,784 posts)It would almost make these last few months worth it to see high members of this administration frog-marched out of the White House in cuffs.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)If it happened after 2018 and we had the Senate, we could wind up w Schumer for Pres. Very unlikely to pan out that way. I just can't help thinking , how can we change this before he sets off a nuke.
I do think he would leave eventually, if the writing is on the wall, if we negotiated a face saving deal.
Anything to get rid of him.What would we get? I think Mattis would be 5th under the Constitution, or if we have taken back the Senate, Schumer.Too bad Bernie's not minority leader.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)I'm sure thete is more. Damn Nunes canceled hearing.
Resign Nunes.
Mme. Defarge
(8,026 posts)Of course, oil. It's always been oil. It could only be oil.
Back when President Bill Clinton was dealing with the Monica Lewinsky scandal I wondered who was bankrolling the the effort to impeach him. Thinking it was "big tobacco" I did some online research. I was wrong, it wasn't "big tobacco", but "big oil" interests.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Deja DU: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3070446
pat_k
(9,313 posts)eleny
(46,166 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)eleny
(46,166 posts)If they were staying there. Or at least who was renting all those rooms.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)of Flynn and the Russian ambassador at the speech. Who stayed at the Mayflower isn't very relevant, who met with Trump is. And all the lies to cover up the Rosneft/Russia connections are.
And all this is just one aspect of the Manafort story, which just blew up immensely with murder of a witness against him in Ukraine.
Link to tweet
eleny
(46,166 posts)It's understandable that health care is prominent. But Trump's being cut into the Rosneft deal is the biggest news.
Thanks for your replies. My head has been spinning trying to sort out what has been going on for two days. And now this.
BadgerMom
(2,770 posts)from 4/27/2016 each list some of those in attendance, including Kislyak, Sessions, Bob Woodward and Jake Tapper. Neither includes the three ambassadors of countries involved in the deal. However, I've read elsewhere that they were there. Tapper or Woodward might recall.
mopinko
(70,071 posts)hopefully our spooks did their job, and bugged the place.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)triron
(21,994 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)BadgerMom
(2,770 posts)there's a discussion in the comments about the author. Apparently he is not solid. I was sorry to learn that. Much of his report, though, can be verified and I've read before. He has linked a lot here that's been published previously. It's certainly interesting, especially given how much of this story has been discoverable by piecing together information in the media.
iluvtennis
(19,844 posts)Currently an Assistant Professor of English at University of New Hampshire, Abramson is a graduate of Dartmouth College, Harvard Law School, the Iowa Writers' Workshop, and the doctoral program in English at University of Wisconsin-Madison.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,568 posts)Read the comments in the Daily Kos thread.
Sculpin Beauregard
(1,046 posts)But this should be sent to mainstream media outlets before the bastards try to ram through Trumpcare bill tomorrow.
Turn CO Blue
(4,221 posts)I'm not raining on it, just saying let's see how much of this holds up tomorrow.
The journalist apparently has published Fitzmas-type of stuff before, and follows a philosophy in writing called Metamodernism - which asserts that using literary license in reporting is necessary.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,568 posts)Abramson is on record regarding Metamodernism, and making up the news as performance art.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Plus, he draws a lot of hate for being an ardent Berner. Besides, you can't make this stuff up!
Firm started by ex-CIA officers initially denied probing Democratic presidential candidate.
.... the Republican National Committee initiated a series of payments to a low-profile firm started by retired Central Intelligence Agency officers that worked closely with an ex-Russian spy. .... the Virginia-based firm, Hamilton Trading Group, had particular expertise in Russia ... most of the cash $34,100 went towards intelligence-style reports ...
we can do it
(12,180 posts)Did you see Rachel's show on the bots and trolls?
kentuck
(111,076 posts)This caught my eye:
"26) The only Kislyak meeting Sessions _never_ disclosed to Congress, _even after accusations of perjury_, was the meeting at the Mayflower. "
triron
(21,994 posts)sent to rachel
Sculpin Beauregard
(1,046 posts)It's still damning.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)...Russian mob had apartments at Trump Tower.
It's all too weird.
pbmus
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Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Of DT was a Fox headline tonight. Anyone know anything about where they are getting that, or is it the usual Fox spin, confuse, distort...fake news. Some people are saying, like we are....
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Because they were founded to be a disinformation source of lies supporting GOP and Murdoch super-wealthy interests.
They need Trump to stay around long enough to get massive tax giveaways to the wealthy and a stolen supreme court pick. So they lie.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)He is already trying to change it to Tax cuts again.
The stock market changed directions and started moving higher as soon as he said tax cuts now!
We have to expose thay too.
Russia! Russia!
Het rid of Nunes, and get someone w balls to investigate.
If you are in his district, organize 730 am til 9 pm
hr demos, resign for cover up.
tinrobot
(10,893 posts)I hope he can back it up.
He also better not get near any balconies.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)We've known almost all of this for some time now, what is happening is people are putting the pieces together into a cohesive big picture while at the same time more info is coming to light daily, such as Manafort's working for Putin for $10 million a year, and events are unfolding like witnesses getting shot in the street or thrown out windows.
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
dgibby
(9,474 posts)Reinforces the idea that he might be working for the "Mob".
StrictlyRockers
(3,855 posts)I think he's doing real investigative journalism here.
ffr
(22,668 posts)If just about any one of these coincidences bears fruit, it's game over. The dam is going to break.
I bet the FBI has all this in hand too.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)He is a traitor and deserves to spend the rest of his racist life in prison. This is shocking...Trump ran for the presidency to make a deal with the Russians for profit. God knows what he is doing now with all the access a president has...he needs to go and soon. If this is true Trump should rot in prison for the rest of his life...all those involved should. And the ambassadors need to be kicked out of the country. Knowing what happens in Russia to those who know where the bodies are buried, they might be open to defecting and spilling their guts. We basically have a Russian spy as president if this is true, and I think it may be.
ffr
(22,668 posts)Republicans are about themselves, greed, and power. For a 0.5% stake in Rosneft oil company, they may be able to tie in additional quid-pro-quo with the Keystone pipeline deal they're cramming through right now. A snowball of $$$ for them and only them.
This is why RW TV/radio is so dangerous. Without it, we wouldn't have so many brainwashed red drones out their supporting a regime that's just fucking us all.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)dooner
(1,217 posts)... without saying who bought it (January 2017)
More than a month after Russia announced one of its biggest privatizations since the 1990s, selling a 19.5 percent stake in its giant oil company Rosneft, it still isn't possible to determine from public records the full identities of those who bought it.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-rosneft-privatisation-insight-idUSKBN1582OH
mopinko
(70,071 posts)is how many of them are just laundering that money. selling the shares for rubles, then reselling them for dollars.
i mean, i dont know what services carter page provided, but he seems like a tiny bit player here. did he earn that? or is he just gonna churn that?
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)greedy pigs, no ideology, no loyalty to our country.
Dopers_Greed
(2,640 posts)...needs to be destroyed with treason charges.
LOCK THEM UP!
LudwigPastorius
(9,130 posts)is the assertion that Trump settled for half a percent of Rosneft stock.
Then again, as is plain by this week's Imaginary Republican Health Care Bill, he's a shitty negotiator.
pbmus
(12,422 posts)The BIG CON Jumps to one of the top ten greediest mother fucks in the world...
LudwigPastorius
(9,130 posts)At the time of the deal, it was valued at around $59 billion.
...making the Trump payoff $295 million.
pbmus
(12,422 posts)They can get the oil out of the ground with new tech that Exxon has they will be worth more than a trillion...
Kensan
(180 posts)That 0.5% interest is worth a ton if a sanctioned oil drilling deal gets the greenlight. This was all part of the quid-pro-quo to get Trump the presidency. Oil deals, weapons deals and a destabilizing of NATO, and all they had to do was sow a ton of discord into the election process with bots.
radical noodle
(8,000 posts)and have the US taxpayers pay the bills for his lifestyle for however long he holds on to the office.
we can do it
(12,180 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)iluvtennis
(19,844 posts)onetexan
(13,035 posts)SalviaBlue
(2,915 posts)world wide wally
(21,740 posts)They know they can't leave anything to the discretion of this GOP.
It will have to be air tight.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Cosmocat
(14,561 posts)Assuming they are truly trying to do the right thing.
They can have a video of Putin and Trump shaking hands while talking about the whole thing flat out, and 1/3 of this country won't accept it.
They have to have some pretty direct and clear evidence to make this fly.
meadowlander
(4,394 posts)Just wondering what connects Italy, Russia, Singapore and (wannabe casino owner) Donald Trump.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)There are a couple of big contracts that Rosneft has with Italian companies; one of them is a big helicopter contract and the CEO of Rosneft has been doing other business in Italy.
Here is the Singapore connection
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-rosneft-privatisation-insight-idUSKBN1582OH
Note that Qatar is also in this...and Bud McFarlane has been doing contract work for Qatar in Singapore and (I would assume) know the players.
I posted a thread on this earlier tonight than deleted it but most of the events that Abramson described did take place.
dgibby
(9,474 posts)what about McTurtle's ties? I have a feeling he's up to his eyeballs in this mess.
http://www.theeventchronicle.com/news/north-america/senator-mitch-mcconnells-ties-shadowy-shipping-company/#
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)Putin just had a long time party faithful who defected and renounced his citizenship shot in the street yesterday. Every single time something unfolds he sends another message to the traitors in the GOP.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)The #Russiagate scandal involves claims Trump was given 0.5% of Rosneft and aid in getting elected in exchange for lifting US sanctions.
Good luck receiving your payment, Putin!
You're not the first person or group that Trump didn't pay. There, there.
KewlKat
(5,624 posts)Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Lesson to Democrats: Stop being soft on Republicans who commit crimes! The people Iran/Contra were just embolden to commit more crimes; case in point.
Also, was Mitch McConnell at that meeting???
KewlKat
(5,624 posts)The plot to sell America's foreign policy for foreign oil _and_ steal an election in the bargain began at the Mayflower Hotel.
1) Per @NYMag, Paul Manafort took over the Trump campaign on April 16, just 72 hours before Trump mathematically eliminated his competition.
2) The timing was intentional: Manafort, hired in March, was slated to become the campaign's key player as soon as Trump became the nominee.
3) On April 21, 48 hours after clinching, Trump announced the first major foreign policy address of his life. It was scheduled for April 27.
4) The speech, arranged by Jared Kushner in mid-March, was to be hosted by the Center for the National Interest, a conservative think tank.
5) The Center is _widely_ known to have "ties to the Russian regime of President Vladimir Putin," per Politico.
6) The speech was slated to be at the National Press Club, an august venue with a _long_ history of staging secure events with large crowds.
7) Less than 24 hours before the speech, it was cancelled. The Trump campaign (i.e., Manafort) declared the venue was too small and unsafe.
8) So Manafort moved the event to the Mayflower Hotel: a smaller, less secure site. The decision confirmed the campaign's excuses were lies.
9) The two things the Mayflower had that the NPC didn't were
(a) 581 private rooms for private meetings, and
(b) restricted, VIP-only areas.
10) The latter was important because Manafort wanted Trump to hold an intimate, 24-person cocktail hour in the Mayflower's VIP Senate Room.
11) Among the 24 at the event: Trump, CNI event coordinator Heilbrunn, Jeff Sessions, Kushner, Lewandowski, Manafort, and four ambassadors.
12) Another VIP at the event was Iran-Contra figure Bud McFarlane, one of America's chief advocates for a bargain with Russia on oil access.
13) The four ambassadors were the only four ambassadors in the world (out of 195 total) that the Putin-linked CNI had invited to the event.
14) The _biggest oil deal in Russia's history_ occurred in December of 2016. It involved the coordination of entities from three countries.
15) Individuals from those three countriesRUSSIA, ITALY, and SINGAPOREnegotiated the sale of 19.5% of Russia's state oil company, Rosneft.
16) The #Russiagate scandal involves claims Trump was given 0.5% of Rosneft and aid in getting elected in exchange for lifting US sanctions.
17) The Rosneft deal closed Dec. 5-7. During that time McFarlane visited Trump Tower. It's believed Russian ambassador/spy Kislyak did too.
18) WSJ wrote in April 2016 that Trump met separately with the ambassadors at the Mayflower and was QUOTE:
Trump Met the Russian Ambassador During the Campaign Even Though He Said He Didnt. It Was Googleable.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/03/07/trump_met_russian_ambassador_kislyak_during_campaign_in_april_2016.html
19) Trump met at a VIP reception with Russias ambassador to the U.S., Sergey Kislyak. He warmly greeted Kislyak and 3 other ambassadors."
20) The ambassadors at the Mayflower: RUSSIA! ITALY! SINGAPORE! And the Philippines--which is routinely cited as a Rosneft expansion target.
21) So Trump warmly, privately chatted with the 3 Rosneft-deal nations at a cocktail hour right before his _first big foreign-policy event_.
22) In his speech Trump called for a Russian detente: "We desire to live peacefully and in friendship with Russia...we are not bound...
23) to be adversaries. We should seek common ground based on shared interests...an easing of tensions and improved relations with Russia...
24) is possible..[I hope to] make a deal under my administration thats great for America but also good for Russia."
25) Richard Burt, CNI and Russian Alfa Bank adviser, _crafted the speech_. He was also _Putin's pipeline lobbyist_.
26) The only Kislyak meeting Sessions _never_ disclosed to Congress, _even after accusations of perjury_, was the meeting at the Mayflower.
27) But per the organizer of the Mayflower Hotel event, Jacob Heilbrunn of the CNI, a third Sessions-Kislyak meeting _definitely_ occurred.
28) Heilbrunn on the VIP event: "At a reception in the Senate Room of the Mayflower, a number of politicians and Trump advisers, such as...
29) ... Senator Jeff Sessions and ambassadors [from Russia and the other nations] congregated before the event."
30) The VIP event _wasn't_ just a receiving line as Trump claimed. It was a "cocktail meet-and-greet"--a full event.
31) That Sessions would feel the need to hide his contact with Kislyak at the Mayflower event after accusations of perjury raises red flags.
32) The White House saying it has no recollection of any of the VIPs at Trump's _biggest-ever foreign policy event_ is also a red flag.
33) When Kislyak was asked if hed met Trump or members of his team during the campaign he replied, "What do you consider a campaign?"
34) Kislyak went on to _fail_ to disclose his meeting with Trump at the Mayflower, citing only a meeting at the RNC.
35) We know Manafort and Kislyak would have known each other, as Manafort indirectly worked for Putin for years.
36) We know Manafort set up the Mayflower event and was available for meetings at it--as was Kushner, who later met secretly with Kislyak.
37) Congress must investigate _any_ Mayflower meetings between Sessions, Manafort, Kushner, Kislyak and the Italian/Singaporean ambassadors.
@SethAbramson The Politico piece should be fascinating. Got the page open and will start on that at end of this gobsmacking tweet series.
38) We know the White House lied about Mayflower. We know Sessions has. We know Kislyak has. And we know the Rosneft players were present.
39) We know there was ample time/space for "sidelines" meetings. And we know Walid Phares was also there, and Trump Jr., and Stephen Miller.
40) So other than the RNC and suspicious Trump Tower meetings in December, the Mayflower Speech should get the _most_ attention in Congress.
CREDITS/ADDITIONAL DOCS) Thanks to @grantstern and to Politico. The New York Magazine article on Manafort is below.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/how-paul-manafort-took-over-the-trump-campaign.html
NOTES) At several points I used "oil" instead of "oil/gas" or "oil/LNG" or just "LNG" (liquefied natural gas). This was Twitter shorthand.
ADDITIONAL DOCS 2) Information on the Rosneft sale taken largely from this excellent Reuters article on the topic:
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1582OH
I do think that if the genesis of #Russiagate is traced to Trump's Mayflower speech (4/27/16), we'll likely call this the Mayflower Scandal.
ADDITIONAL DOCS 3) Here is the CNI press release announcing the attending ambassadors:
DOCS 4) Flynn-Kushner-Kislyak's Trump Tower meeting was clandestine: press saw nothing, suggesting alternate entry.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/02/us/politics/kushner-flynn-sessions-russia.html
DOCS 5) CNI ('06): McFarlane says Russia's LNG reserves are key to any strategy weaning US from M.E. oil dependence.
https://nationalinterest.org/commentary/a-real-alternative-1209
DOCS 6) The Steele Dossier, written by the former head of MI6's Russia desk (known for excellent sources in Russia):
https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-trump-has-deep-ties-to-russia?utm_term=.nmpDDdnBWL#.twM4413Mzv
DOCS 7) _Not normal_: "Kislyak broke the diplomatic norm against attending campaign events" to go to the Mayflower.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/donald-trump-campaign-lobbyist-russian-pipeline-229264
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Sculpin Beauregard
(1,046 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,012 posts)Stardust
(3,894 posts)BainsBane
(53,029 posts)No matter how traitorous. That decision lies entirely with the GOP House, and conviction is controlled by the GOP Senate.
Remember the last impeachment vote came about because of a blow job. Impeachment is political.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)support for his impeachment.
And, while Clinton's impeachment was politically motivated (with a huge touch of the Puritanism of Ken Starr), Bill was impeached for perjury ABOUT sexual activity, not the activity itself.
BainsBane
(53,029 posts)but we are no longer the same country. The GOP cares far more about party than country, as the Clinton impeachment demonstrated.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)It was only after Judge Sirica gave provisional 40 year sentences to the burglars and McCord sent a letter stating that he was being paid to be quiet. Dean, who was running the cover up, switches sides and gives detailed evidence of the discussions which implicate the President.
At this point it still isn't clear that he will be impeached but Butterfield disclosed the tapes.
It wasn't until tapes with the President's own words demonstrated an absolute proof that the President was lying and was going to face criminal prosecution that the Republicans caved.
Vinca
(50,255 posts)Stardust
(3,894 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,568 posts)Abramson is a proponent of making up the news as a form of performance art. He is not to be trusted. While a few elements of his tweets can be verified, the rest is likely speculation, if not fabrication.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)Tsk.
randome
(34,845 posts)You're right, this should all be taken with a big grain of salt and we should wait for verification.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Last edited Fri Mar 24, 2017, 10:27 AM - Edit history (1)
This is a must read. Co-exists with the Buzzfeed Dossier nicely too.
https://medium.com/@grantstern/trump-russia-dossier-decoded-yes-there-really-was-a-massive-oil-deal-e33370349b67#.nfm8ho4s1
Circumstantial evidence strongly indicates that President Donald J. Trump and his campaign associates brokered a massive oil privatization deal, where his Organization facilitated a global financial transaction to sell Russian Oil stock to its Syrian War adversary, the Emirate of Qatar.
...
Donald Trump and Russia conducted the transaction in three phases; Phase 1 began in early 2016 with a meeting of the minds at The Mayflower Hotel to start the deal and a due diligence period, Phase 2 began just before the Republican National Convention and continued through Election Day, and Phase 3 happened after Trumps shocking win and concluding just days before Buzzfeed published the bombshell dossier describing the deal.
The end result allowed Russia to trade stolen emails to help to Donald Trumps election campaign (as well as that of many Republican Congressmen), in exchange for help circumventing American sanctions to transact the sale of Rosneft, which Putin desperately needed to finance his budget deficit.
The Rosneft transaction also purportedly sent a $500 million dollar brokerage fee to Carter Page, or perhaps the Trump Organization.
Here is a comment from CNFI about the April event, downplaying trump interaction with guests, and Kislyak as being just another one of 4 ambassadors; of course trump wouldn't need to be the one in detailed meets with all these people, would he?...
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/statement-regarding-president-trumps-april-27-2016-foreign-19715
The Center for the National Interest invited Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak and several other ambassadors to the speech. We regularly invite ambassadors and other foreign representatives to our events to facilitate dialogue. Ambassador Kislyak was one of four foreign ambassadors who attended the speech that day. We seated all four in the front row during the speech in deference to their diplomatic status. The Trump campaign had nothing to do with the seating arrangement.
...
And here is another CNFI report confirming the (strange?) mix of ambassadors, and some attendees..
https://cftni.org/recent-events/donald-trump-delivers-foreign-policy-speech/
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Turbineguy
(37,313 posts)A lot of people are involved.
None of them can truly trust each other.
Invariably someone will be unhappy with their share of the loot.
Sculpin Beauregard
(1,046 posts)Be charged with treason, espionage, and all other possible charges. SEIZE HIS ASSETS.
SEIZE KUSHNER'S ASSETS. Find where they have all hidden their money and seize it. No doubt they have all done contortions hiding it offshore and in mysterious accounts.
Give HRC her rightful place as president.
Oh, and don't forget that creepy, nasty, goat-piss loving Mercer family, too. Those freaks think - literally believe - that people with no money have no value, and they got involved in Trumps campaign in August, and helped install Bannon and others. They are odious.
Blue_Roses
(12,894 posts)Unless it's for the obvious reasons.
orangecrush
(19,512 posts)In the hearings.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Sculpin Beauregard
(1,046 posts)too important to let this slide. We've gained momentum but can't stop until Cheeto and cartel are removed and charged.
orangecrush
(19,512 posts)They will be.
I "scream" by calling Bob Casey and thanking him for voting against Gourche, and to ask him to demand Nunes to step down, and demand a special prosecutor be appointed.