CNN political analyst Juliette Kayyem says, per sources, Michael Flynn may have flipped on Trump.

[sunonmars]

Link to tweet

[Johnny2X2X]

1. Boom

Flynn will rat in the whole bunch to save his own skin.

[Bleacher Creature]

2. PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE!!!!

Pretty please with sugar on top!!

[MontanaMama]

3. I hope this goes as deep, far and wide

As we think it does. None of these criminals should get away with what they've done. Flynn better watch his back. Players on both sides of this might want to make an example of him.

[sunonmars]

4. now we know why we heard that WH staff were trying to scrub their electronic media.

[MontanaMama]

6. I'm hoping that the FBI et al

Have all the data from their phones already. Dimwit 45 is still using an unsecured android phone. Let's hope these tools were just as unwise. Fingers crossed!

[riversedge]

82. Comey stopped by the WH Friday, No one knows why.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

45. Since this has been a criminal investigation for a while now, those phones can all have been tapped

... and maybe even forensically hacked.

[MaeScott]

79. He who goes first, gets the best deal, and the ship is taking on water.

[sunonmars]

5. I'm wondering if this is why Trump did a runner to a insecure "golf course"

Crisis meeting with no witnesses.........but with whom.

[MaeScott]

80. Probably why he went there. No official log of visitors.

[OldHippieChick]

7. Why am I unsure how to react to this? It seems

too good to be true and yet there is a part of me that is so sad we could be compromised in this way. It is surreal.

[Gabi Hayes]

46. amen.....you and me both. but, what's that smell? is it.......bacon?

[BumRushDaShow]

49. OMG

I can't un-see that!

[central scrutinizer]

55. Art of the Squeal

Like a stuck pig

[Gabi Hayes]

57. I was in and out of reverie the other night, and that came to mind.

somebody else here put it in a thread about The Art of the Deal. that's where it came to me.

lessee what happens when I google it.....whenever I think of something it's always been there, except once

just as I thought:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwiP5dGs5_LSAhVC4oMKHRPQBywQjBwIBA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn1.lockerdome.com%2Fuploads%2F37ec20763e7d34a8b0b6057f554b29edab01a3f033782981e2ff3b4483eee538_large&psig=AFQjCNEHB-kdPipAWN6sX4Ho5o-JK4bZcQ&ust=1490570869674869&cad=rjt

[lindysalsagal]

8. CNN editors will demand the source in order to let this go live.

Not like they've never ever messed up, but they'll be more likely than just about anyone else to have good reasons to believe their source.

And it also makes sense, since Flynn has been flying below the radar and already fired.

[mopinko]

9. that is how circumstantial evidence became direct evidence.

w the testimony of a member of the conspiracy.

i was listening carefully to schiff and that was what i heard between the lines.
something changed dramatically.
this is the most obvious way for that to happen.

that and he isnt among those "volunteering" to testify.

[Tom Rinaldo]

10. The National Republican Party hitched their wagon to Trump

Reince Priebus signed on as First Mate. Ted Cruz did kiss kiss, let's make up. Paul Ryan lusted for Trump's signature on his pieces of legislation and quietly fell in line. Even Mitt Romney soiled himself with his interview for Secretary of State. There are just a small handful of nationally well known Republican leaders who openly kept their distance from Trump. The Bush clan, John Kasich, umm, umm... the mind goes blank. McCain may mumble now and then but he reliably stays silent when it really counts. Almost every Republican of any national stature now has Trump smeared on their face.

If this all breaks open like it appears it will, the Republican Party will be going down with the Trump Ship of State. None of them can claim that they weren't warned.

[Alice11111]

11. Of course, Flynn would rat. 100%. Why not? Unless he got a

Really good payoff or a ride to be burried under a concrete pour

[Blue_true]

15. Trump love money. He would never pay out Flynn for life despite the cost to him. nt

[NewJeffCT]

33. of course, if Trump promised him money

Flynn better get 100% of it up front - you know Trump isn't good for it otherwise.

[Alice11111]

34. It will be some magic RE deal or well hidden, maybe

from Putin. He sure doesn't want this coming out either.
I am a bit surprised Russia hasn't taken care of him, but maybe they have, in some way.

[tableturner]

56. Taking care of him with money would be worthless if he were to spend the next twenty years in jail.

The real and maybe only way they could take care of him would be to spirit him out of the US and give him asylum in Russia.

So the two possible scenarios are asylum in Moscow vs. flipping, avoiding jail, and living in the US. In either scenario he would be exposed as a traitor. If he were to go to Russia to live, he would be able to avoid directly facing the contempt of his countrymen. If he were to stay in the US, he would face direct contempt everywhere he would go.

It would boil down to his asking "In what country do I want to live as a pariah?"

[Alice11111]

87. Yes, but his family is probably his main concern. The Russians

threaten the family. Of course, it would be horrible for kids to live w the world knowing their father is a traitor.

[Blue_true]

13. The Junior Senator from Nebraska and Jeff Flake of Arizona

studiously kept their distance. I am more concerned about them because they are sick conservative and somewhat principled.

[Alice11111]

18. At least they wouldn't blow up the planet in a toddler

Tantrum though. I detest all of those RW hypocritical, self righteous, science denying vermin, but if we have to have a place holder to get Dangerous Donnie Dirty Diapers out, let's hurry.

[Tom Rinaldo]

24. I have noticed that. I was more aware of Flake n/t

[Hassin Bin Sober]

20. Problem is, they would need some modicum of shame and a truthful media to be "done"

They'll be back on their feet as soon as everything blows over.

We keep saying the Republican Party is done but they keep coming back like a bad case of MRSA.

As long as they have their big money backers they ain't going anywhere.

[Tom Rinaldo]

29. The media loves a circus. They can't resist

If this blows up it will be 24/7 for weeks. Under different leadership the GOP might recover within 6 years, but if Trump is forced out of office and Pence is stained by association - it will take time for them to rebound.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

32. I hope so.

A year and a half is a long time to the mid terms.

I want that nightmare gone like yesterday. But there is part of me that would like it to wait till next year.

Either way. I'm just along for the ride. So I'm up for whatever

[Alice11111]

91. It could be a rocky ride if DT is backed into a corner&bombs

N Korea. We need him gone fast, even if we are stuck w the evil, science denying Pence for 3 1/2 years.

[Alice11111]

36. The Mercers are having

Orgasms over what their money can do now w Bannon, Conway, and DT.
Sorry, I'm usually not such a crude person.
DT and the destruction of of our country has taken me to a new low.
Fuck, Fuck. Fuck them all. Let's get them out by any means possible.
Fuck Citizens United and Gorsuch!

[Leghorn21]

50. "Language, Alice, language!!!" - no wait,

LET IT FUCKIN RIP!!!

FUCK 'EM ALL!!!

[Alice11111]

88. Just saw. I know I'm losing my couth. Fuck them all!

Really. I have no respect. None. Not for DT, Pence, Sessions, Price, DeVoss....They all are charlatans with their own agenda to favor the 1pc. Plus, none of them are smart. Dim. Wily maybe.

[Alice11111]

89. ...which brings us back again to Citizens United!

[vlyons]

40. Ever the optimist

It is my sincere hope that something really good and important will come out of this treasonous and corrupt debacle. That is, there will be a renaissance of American focus on ethics, honesty, and integrity. That we will better understand how and why the love of money is the root of all evil. Who knows, maybe we the people can find a way to reverse the Citizens United ruling that allows the wealthy to buy elections and politicians.

[Hortensis]

85. Yes. We know the way. Also hoping this inspires

sufficient will.

[Gabi Hayes]

47. Not the GOP anymore:

[MaeScott]

81. There are ties to Russian intrigue all through that party. In plain sight.

[MelissaB]

12. Foreshadowing:

Flynn was called a "turncoat" in that National Enquirer article.

Link to tweet

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[Tom Rinaldo]

21. Yes. It's all been foreshadowing for months now

Flynn is the latest. The brazen attacks on the intelligence community were earlier indicators. As was calling any mainstream media outlets that covered the growing scandal peddlers of "fake news". Any force in a position to take Trump down has to be taken down first, that's the world view from inside of Trumps bunker.

[Delphinus]

86. He wasn't

Enthusiastically booted. The Enquirer is skewing this horribly - and is Flynn the only turncoat?

[malaise]

14. But but but Flynn is a wonderful man

The Con said so
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/15/politics/donald-trump-michael-flynn/

[HipChick]

16. What did the Con know and when did he know it?

and still kept him?

[malaise]

17. All I'll say is

Birds of a feather go down together

[HipChick]

19. I can't even go and take a shower without some news breaking..

I hate that I have a bunch of travel coming up, and won't be able to watch this all go down in real time...

[malaise]

25. Seriously

I have to start preparing Sunday dinner for our good friends and I keep starting and stopping.

[Stuart G]

26. What did the Con know and when did he know it?

that phrase...it sounds familiar .......now when did I hear it.....???

[Stuart G]

22. a movie you never heard of..."The Beginning of the End"...

crappy film about giant grasshoppers taking over a large city.........but.....the title...maybe, just maybe this is it for....................
.....Trump and his Dump......Flynn talks, and that's all there is...

...........garbage is taken away..yes..we get a new load...but ....what the hell...maybe it will be a better load..

[Gabi Hayes]

54. that movie scared the CRAP out of me. grasshoppers on the Wrigley Building.

the mission impossible TV guy was in it....james arness' brother

and I only saw it last week!

jst kdn about the last week....more like 55 years ago

[Stuart G]

61. Oh....grasshoppers on the Wrigley Building....???

Yes indeed....crawlers ...here and there....a 50s giant bug movie... I guess we would say...a laugher in todays terms...can't help but enjoy the idea...oh...

not as good as ."Them"... now that one is about giant ants...

[Gabi Hayes]

62. don't get me started! james whitmore as the cop who saved the traumatized,

mute-rendered little girl

even back then, though, I realized how lame those ants looked.

[Stuart G]

63. Ok....It Came From Beneath the Sea....

Giant Octopus ..terrorizes the west coast of the U.S.A.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048215/

I guess I got to say,,, this monster stuff is surly off topic...but...Trump and his team are definitely monsters..so there is some kind of connection..

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

70. "The Day of the Triffids"

Meteor shower blinds humans and turns triffids into huge people-eating moving plants. Scary when you're a 10-year-old...

For Trump, I imagine the most horrifying film is "The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming."

[Kingofalldems]

23. Is the Nunes White House visit now solved?

[Raine1967]

72. *ting*

Another distraction. I am with you on this.

[oldtime dfl_er]

27. This is probably a stupid question

but do we really think Flynn will tell the whole truth? If he tells the full truth about his own actions, he would be considered a true traitor, wouldn't he? I'm not sure I would support any kind of a plea deal for someone who committed his level of treason.

[Alice11111]

39. No. He gets marching orders from Putin.

The consequences of not staying in step are much worse than jail for perjury. Probably, his family is threatened.

[vlyons]

43. He probably is weighing several dreadful options

1. loss of rank and retirement benefits and life in Leavenworth prison

2. loss of rank and retirement benefits and 20 years in Leavenworth prison

3. Fleeing the country to Russia or the Ukrain

4. eating his pistol

[DinahMoeHum]

28. Tee hee. Now he gets to live the rest of his life like a schnook. . .

Spaghetti with marinar. . .'scuse me. . .egg noodles and ketchup, anyone?

[MrPurple]

92. ...cue Sid Vicious

[NurseJackie]

30. Trump will NEVER get to pardon Thanksgiving Turkeys or illuminate the White House Christmas Tree!

They'll never be able to redecorate the White House living quarters into that gaudy gilded trim, shag rug, leopard print, mirrored ceiling, Baroque Bordello look after all. Melania's "beauty" room will never become a reality.

[BainsBane]

31. Let it be true

[PoliticAverse]

35. "may have" is meaningless. A source that can't say definitely is just speculating. n/t

[mobeau69]

51. I watched her last night on Don Lemon and posted about it then. Yes, she was just speculating.

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Regardless, it seems to make sense.

[ButSeeYa]

37. Perhaps I'm naive...

But how did they think they could get away with committing treasonous acts against the USA?

[zentrum]

42. Bush and Cheney did...

By taking us into a ruinous war that may never end, based on false evidence that they knew damn well was false. Murderers in plain sight. Treasonous.

[leftyladyfrommo]

53. I think their egos let them believe

that they could get away with anything.

That is the trouble with uncontrollable greed. It always gets you in the end.

[Dem2]

38. I may have a salad for dinner

...or or a

[FailureToCommunicate]

44. I **may** have to scold you for what you did there

[zentrum]

41. Still holding my breath...

...to see if this is a Kabuki set-up that will cover up the deeper scandal. He may see a way to lessen consequences for himself but to not have to destroy 45. I assure you he's more afraid of Russia than he is of the FBI.

Can't muster any trust for Flynn, even if he's trying to save his own skin.

Seems all too good and too fast and too easy to be true in the way we hope.

[CitizenZero]

48. Lock Flynn Up!

Revenge is sweet. Not surprised if he flipped. No honor amongst criminals.

[roamer65]

52. This is getting good.

[notdarkyet]

58. Let him finish his golf game before we lock him up. Hehehe

[MrPurple]

59. Maybe Flynn didn't leave on good terms with Twitler

Days before he got busted for the Russia calls, Flynn leaked that Trump had called him at 3AM to ask about whether a strong dollar was better than a weak dollar. Trump couldn't have been happy that Flynn spread that story and Flynn probably wouldn't have spread it unless he was frustrated with Drumpf.

[underthematrix]

60. Here's my prediction

The United States of America suffered a CATASTROPHIC bloodless attack by a foreign government: Russia. We now have Russian assets, agents, and spies in control of two branches of the federal government. the Executive and Legislative branches. This means when the FBI's counterintelligence division executes their many many many warrants, most of Trump's team if not all of them will be removed along with a significant number of GOP House members and US senators. It may also mean the arrests of some individuals in state government at the executive level.

Since Trump was put into office by a foreign power and therefore is illegitimate, it means President Obama is still president.

Because the number of arrests at the federal level will be staggering, it's important that we still have a functioning government. I think President Obama will return to provide a calm steady hand and map out and implement a time certain plan to elect a new president, probably to coincide with other federal elections in 2018.

I think the feds will seize and freeze Trump's assets.

[mobeau69]

65. Are you in CO, matrix?

[underthematrix]

67. what is CO?

[MrPurple]

69. carbon monoxide poisoning?

Your scenario is unfortunately, very, very improbable.

[underthematrix]

71. Now that gave me a good laugh

[Blue_Roses]

84. I've actually wondered about this

Since this situation is unprecedented and is a constitutional crisis, I really could see Congress having a special admendment added that would allow the existing (before scandal) president remain president while a new election takes place.

[tandem5]

64. In the tone of Jerry Seinfeld: That's a shame.

[NewJeffCT]

66. New series of tweets from Abramson now

basically saying that even if Flynn has not flipped, he needs immediate federal protection as his life is in danger.

Link to tweet

Here are the new series of tweets:

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

read more on his twitter page.

[NewJeffCT]

68. Kayyem now backtracking?

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Raine1967]

73. This is a rumor. Please, I ask that everyone follow what we know as fact.

Don't be distracted by the things we know as fact.

We know that Manafort wants to be interviewed by the house intel committee.

We know that Roger Stone has lawyered up.

This Flynn thing is a rumor.

What Nunes did is a fact. Why he did it remains to be seen.

[Tarheel_Dem]

74. I don't even dare get my hopes up, cuz we'll still be stuck with Pence. If we could rid ourselves...

of the whole administration before they get to appoint any more justices, I would be eternally grateful to the FBI.

[nikibatts]

75. Not a "flip" but an immunity deal to keep from going to prison. That is how intel does its job.

[Cha]

76. Bill Palmer made that observation, too..

FYI.. Mahalo sunonmars And, probably not the only ones.

[DonCoquixote]

77. pardon me, but

Until such time as there is something concrete, I think we need to be careful pursuing these tidbits of tasty news confections. The fact is, we have no idea who is going to flip, or even if said flipping will actually mean anything. At this point you could have Donald Trump publicly swear fealty to Vladimir Putin, announced that we are going to become part of the Russian Confederation, and there will be contingent that goes along with it, especially if it means lower taxes, and that they get to go ahead and oppress brown people and women.

I'm not trying to discourage hope, nor am I denying the fact that the Trump ship is rapidly filling with water. Somebody is going to need to tell because they know that they will be thrown under the bus if they don't, especially by Donald Trump, whose ideal of loyalty is nonexistent. However, none of this should distract us from the only thing that is worked, direct pressure on Congress. Congress is already working on its post Trump future: Paul Ryan, Mike pence, and Mitch McConnell all already warming up in the bullpen, and the billionaires are fully prepared to throw as much going as they need to to make the American people swallow it. Until such time as someone says a clear yes, and frankly, until such time a person is protected to where we don't somehow accidentally hang themselves in a jail cell, or where a convenient "lone gunman" cannot play the role of Lee Harvey Oswald, we do not have enough rope to hang Donald Trump.

[no_hypocrisy]

78. Ideology takes you only so far.

Then pragmatism and practicality take over.

With a combination of the right offer of benefits and immunity, Flynn will sing like a canary.

[SticksnStones]

83. I'd still like to know who the mole in the DNC was

Link to tweet

[H2O Man]

90. Recommended.

Malcolm Nance strongly "hinted" the same thing.