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If you don't want their refugees (Original Post) malaise Mar 2017 OP
This.... Heartstrings Mar 2017 #1
How the heck did we start there anyway yeoman6987 Mar 2017 #2
Ask Bush and Cheney malaise Mar 2017 #8
It's so damn sad I forgot they started it. yeoman6987 Mar 2017 #9
Well those two war criminals Amimnoch Mar 2017 #10
Right on. Stop bombing the people there ck4829 Mar 2017 #3
+1,000 malaise Mar 2017 #6
Amen! Lonestarblue Mar 2017 #4
Bush is responsible for this entire mess malaise Mar 2017 #5
What a concept! mcar Mar 2017 #7
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
2. How the heck did we start there anyway
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 08:38 AM
Mar 2017

The idea to go there was stupid. Trump is destroying the world! Ugh

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
9. It's so damn sad I forgot they started it.
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 10:26 AM
Mar 2017

Trump has done so much in two months that I forgot bush and group did this mess.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
10. Well those two war criminals
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 10:27 AM
Mar 2017

certainly escalated it to a whole new level, but if we're to be totally honest, our interventionism preceded these two by more than a few decades.

From our allies, the British involvement in the Persian oilfields of 1914, to our stationing of troops in Iran in WWII, then our first duplicitous move to get Stalin out of Iran while simultaneously escalating our own military presence (against the will of the Iranian people). Then there was the Eisenhower scandal of 1953 where we intervened in the Iranian election process and deposition of Mosadegh, the popularly elected leader (I think it was Iranian parliament). Then there was the British, Israel, and France attacking Egypt in the mid 1950's. The landing of US troops in Lebanon (Beirut I believe) in the late 50's in an attempt to shore up an unpopular minority Christian government by Ike.

And these are just the early and mid 1900's.. We've covered our hands in middle east blood for a looooong time now. I doubt there's many living who haven't lost somebody close to them over the decades to our interventionist policies.

Here in the US, we get all ticked off when a couple of towers are downed by terrorists.. just imagine how we'd feel if just about every single living citizen had someone that they knew, and was close to taken out by terrorism? This is their reality and their point of view.

I don't write this to knock on America, but people really should understand some REAL history for some context to the "why" of it.

ck4829

(35,038 posts)
3. Right on. Stop bombing the people there
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 09:23 AM
Mar 2017

Stop arming death squads and militias that drive people out of their homes and attack and kill them.
Stop sending soldiers to those countries.
Stop supporting dictators who try to control the lives and thoughts of people.

Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
4. Amen!
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 09:24 AM
Mar 2017

Republicans preach personal responsibility as an excuse not to provide government services to anyone and thus provide more money to the obscenely rich in this country. Whatever happened to the idea of moral responsibility for the messes this country creates here and in the rest of the world? If Bush had created a real Marshall Plan for Iraq instead of allowing Cheney and Halliburton to steal billions of dollars, there might be less unrest in the Middle East today. Even better, he should not have attacked Iraq in the first place! And Trump insisting that we should have stolen Iraq's oil certainly shows the world that the U.S. doesn't care to obey laws or treat other countries fairly. With this buffoon as president, we may create even more refugees through careless attacks. Why else does he want to build up the military if not to use it?

malaise

(268,712 posts)
5. Bush is responsible for this entire mess
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 09:29 AM
Mar 2017

Cheney and Halliburton look like small change to the new Secretary of Take.
Good post

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