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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy isn't shooting 16 people in a nightclub in itself a sign of terrorism?
I don't get why they are saying there is "no sign of terrorism." The word "terrorism" isn't synonymous with "radical Islamic terrorism." There are Christian terrorists, political terrorists, and people who are just general haters.
But it sure would terrify me if I thought that someone might come to a nearby public place and just start shooting.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)pnwmom
(108,973 posts)mikeysnot
(4,756 posts)wrong wing white guy?
Doreen
(11,686 posts)Ace Rothstein
(3,156 posts)This appears to be an African American nightclub.
WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)The very definition of terrorism is:
noun
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government
And there's zero mention of race, a specific religion, etc. Trying to narrow the definition down to only one, religion in this case, seems to me to be more a tool of propaganda, not a tool of truth.
CincyDem
(6,347 posts)IMHO, this stretch of town has always been a little rough. Industrial with some bars and clubs. It's not the first time that a fight in one of those places has escalated into gunshots. Usually it's one or two shots fired and nobody gets hurt. Sometimes someone catches a round in the butt. Sometimes more than a few someones. This time, one was fatal.
This isn't terrorism. This is America. When the day is done, we'll probably learn that it was 2-3 people shooting at each other over a spilt drink, a crosswise look from an ex-girlfriend, a debt not paid, an insult about someone's car or a battle over some corner. Those are the things that get most American's shot. Not "terrorists" from countries we don't like with religions we don't understand.
I'm ready to be wrong about this but my bet is that it's going to be some local guys who have been arguing about something for months if not years and they ended up in the same place at the same time with liquor, guys, and testosterone.
FakeNoose
(32,620 posts)... even if the guy didn't intend to use it, he still had it on him.
Then he used it.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)In my opinion anyway
shraby
(21,946 posts)people from harm and in the process getting many more shot?
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)but as far as the police are concerned, they're just one of the shooters.
salin
(48,955 posts)but you know this Rhetorical questions are so useless in this era of reactionary right irony to which they, themselves are oblivious.
hack89
(39,171 posts)I would bet on the latter.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)What is the political motive here? If there isn't one, it is not Terrorism.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Orlando_nightclub_shooting
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)went after gay people. Do you agree with the previous poster that such an act wouldn't constitute terrorism?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)At least that is my understanding of the term.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)Terrorism Research - What is Terrorism?
www.terrorism-research.com/
The FBI uses this definition: "Terrorism is the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."
oberliner
(58,724 posts)By that definition, I would agree.
madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)whatever "radical" label you want, it would still be terrorism.
sinkingfeeling
(51,444 posts)See Newt Gingrich on Hannity March 22
Yavin4
(35,432 posts)the entire class. When a White gunman mass murders people, his actions are not used to tar all White people. However, whenever a person of the muslim faith does it, it's immediately an implication of an entire religion.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)In the word "terrorist", in this country. No doubt about it. If you're white, you just can't be a terrorist. You can be a lone wolf, a bad apple, mentally disturbed...Damn near anything but...
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Seems unlikely.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)He's not labeled as a terrorist
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I would say the odds are that the shooter was not white.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Would you care to reconsider your post?
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)except there appear to have been more than one.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)That terrorists are not white?
madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)Ace Rothstein
(3,156 posts)pnwmom
(108,973 posts)What have you read?
Snackshack
(2,541 posts)Just like any other act of violence done by a human to another human.
doc03
(35,324 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)Do you want all gang members classed as terrorists? Somehow I doubt that you do.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)Henry Krinkle
(208 posts)one terrorist looking at another terrorists girlfriend... a terrorist spilling his drink on another terrorist...
a terrorist 'dissing' another terrorist... a terrorist wearing the wrong clothing... etc.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)This is according to the chief of police.
Somebody felt "disrespected" and had to prove what a man he is.
Stupidity, not terrorism.
frankieallen
(583 posts)Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)This shooting sounds a lot more like gang members or wannabe gang manners doing what they do.
Probably started over some insignificant slight or perceived slight that percolated and ended up with a shooting in a club.
I would be $100 it was a gun illegally carried and illegally obtained as well.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)shooter and discounting terrorism without saying why.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)Kasich signed a bill allowing people to carry guns in bars...great idea liquor, and guns...of course they are not supposed to drink...who goes to a bar not to drink...this was a young crowd to...so you used to have fist fights but now thanks to the NRA and the GOP you have gun fights. I crawling out a bar after a fight began...only to see two blue legs...getting hauled down to the police station where they called my parents. I would have rather stayed at the jail! Now they have guns.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)is terrorizing.