Seeing a disturbing trend here today

[Chasstev365]

Democrats should work with Trump

HELL NO! That would be like telling the people of Oz to "work with the man behind the curtain."

Donald Trump is a treasonous, illegitimate fraud who needs to be removed from office and put in jail. No Way Democrats should work with him. Are we being trolled?

[samnsara]

1. well said! HELL NO we wont go! (to trump)

[iluvtennis]

49. +++ agree

[OldHippieChick]

2. I agree. Schumer has to pretend he'll work w/ him but we all know

that Cheetohead lies all the time. He cannot be trusted. Schumer has already made it pretty impossible for Cheetohead to work w/ Dems when he said all Cheeto had to do was forget about "repeal" and they'd talk. LOL!

[edhopper]

3. context is everything

Dems should work with Trump...if he wants to shore up Social Security, expand Medicare and Medicaid, raise taxes on the Rich and Corporations, protect the environment etc...

If not, fuck him.

[rufus dog]

10. Exactly

Dems should put together solid proposals, deliver them to Trump and the media. That can and should be defined as working with him.

[edhopper]

13. Yes

make him refuse to work with the Dems.

Put it all on him.

[Cryptoad]

22. u can't work with someone who,,,

demands,,, my way or the highway...! Give em what they have given us the last 8 years!

[TexasBushwhacker]

81. Yes BUT

If we bring the Dems logically constructed plans to Trump and the public, we'll be doing something that the GOP never did. They voted to repeal Obamacare dozens of times, but never came up with their own viable plan.

[Cryptoad]

84. Agreed,,,,

[beam me up scottie]

23. By stating they're willing to work with him on some issues they look like the adults in the room.

Americans hate obstructionism and Schumer is playing the long game here. Obstruct when necessary, hell yes - but publicly stating you're going to refuse to cooperate at all will turn off voters - and we need them to win.

When Trump refuses to back away from right wing extremist positions Schumer can point to his willingness to work with him and say "See? We tried."

So you're absolutely right - context is everything, I don't see anyone capitulating, just a few realists who recognize strategy.

[lastlib]

68. I don't make nice with Fascists.

Sorry, uh-uh, nope. nahgonna. no way. not today. not ever.

[Mr.Bill]

33. But if Trump said he was willing to do all those things,

he could not be trusted. You can't work with someone who lies every time he speaks. He has no credibility and should be treated as such.

[edhopper]

52. he wouldn't agree to any of it

but it makes the Dems look like they are the responsible ones.

[tomp]

61. right, and then get the republican majorities to go along...

...with supporting progressive legislation, or watered down or obtusely poisoned (per)versions of progressive intent, so that in the end the people lose.

good plan!

trump and the republicans, and to any degree that the democrats collaborate, constitute a death machine. they are political mechanism whose job it is to funnel endless wealth to the insatiable wealthy; this, in spite of the fact that it is obviously leading to the collapse of any remnants of civil society or ecosystem sustainability. Collaboration with that machine is suicide for the people.

oppose trump, oppose the republicans, and oppose any collaboration by democrats.

no justice, no peace. no quarter.

[gibraltar72]

4. Squared!

[MrScorpio]

5. "Trust Trump at your own peril"

That shit should be tattooed on everyone's eyeballs.

[vlyons]

6. I see no such trend here on DU

Quite the opposite. It's Trump and the GOP, who have to work with us. But they are too self-righteously conceited to ever admit that we might have something of value to add. They are motivated by the love of money, not the love of their country.

[lame54]

7. Uuuummm...

They did work with the man behind the curtain and each found what they were looking for

bad analogy

[Chasstev365]

15. Touche

[paleotn]

30. Better would be the wicked witch of the west.

[leftstreet]

8. Checking all threads. Seeing no trend. Thx for concern tho.

[WinkyDink]

9. One NEVER, EVER heard or hears that REPUBLICANS NEED TO WORK WITH DEMOCRATS.

[beachbum bob]

11. It's up to trump and conservatives to work with Democrats...thats

Different from your implications

[stillcool]

12. In theory..

It's how our political system works....But since it's broken Democrats should just go home. There they can tweet about how bad the GOP is, rather than express nuanced statements about their willingness to communicate with the ruling party.

[Mme. Defarge]

14. This is an illegitimate administration!

The Democrats must do absolutely nothing that would lend it even the tiniest appearance of legitimacy. And I do mean "tiniest".

[Chasstev365]

16. That was my point!

[byronius]

43. +1000

[we can do it]

17. HELL NO

[coco22]

18. And all over the media..

I saw Dana Bash on CNN talking about Dems need to help fix the Bill and Kasich. Seems like this will be the talking point this week. Dems seem to be on the defensive. I want them to say HELL NO! Dana Bash even had the nerve to phrase it that "DEMOCRATS NEED TO REACH OUT TO TRUMP"!

The CONS are looking for bluedogs and say a lot of them lost seats so they can't get as many, well they ca count on Manchin,Mark warner,for sure.

[MineralMan]

19. I've not noticed any such trend. Perhaps you can

provide some links. There are too many posts on DU to browse for examples of what you claim.

[orangecrush]

54. I would like to see that as well

I've seen no such posts.

Sounds like flypaper.

Your mileage may vary.

[Cryptoad]

20. Resist,,,, Obstruct,,,, NO Votes!

[LakeArenal]

21. If you mean Dems should work with dump by he acquiescing to everything Dems want...

then I'm on board...

[GreenPartyVoter]

27. Yep, has to get on board with our plans.

[calimary]

28. Me, too. All trump's little friends can come crawling to us. That means him, too.

[ananda]

24. Agree. Hell no!

Just let the Reeps be the instigators and then
resist, say no, filibuster, use every resistance
tactic possible!

[slumcamper]

25. HELL. NO!

[slumcamper]

26. THEY need to work with US.

[LenaBaby61]

37. "THEY need to work with US."

Exactly!!!

Let that fat ass, dumb as a bag of hammers, racist, sexist, ignorant, p****-grabbing, putin-loving puppet reach out to DEMS. Doesn't mean Dems can't offer solid proposals to sure up O-Care, but to trust the wounded Speaker of the House and especially tRumputin, would be a flat out stupid thing to do for Dems, who have to CONTINUE to pound it home that the GOP had 7 years to "repeal & replace," but never actually wanted to improve O-Care, and to give examples of how truly horrible that GOP Don't Care bill really IS.

Dems have to keep any momentum they have going. NO pussyfooting around the fact that the GOP's Don't Care bill is a transfer of wealth of $800 BILLION dollars in Medicaid cuts means that the richest 1%(Themselves included), big pharma and insurance companies would have gotten fatter pockets.

[Chakaconcarne]

29. Who the hell is suggesting that?

[ancianita]

31. Yep. If any party has passed the bipartisan test, it's the Democratic Party. We got nuthin' to prove

Democrats should be all like: "After you..." and "Please proceed..."

Republicans must GO FIRST when it comes to governing. We must not fall for letting Repubs set up Democrats for reactive media finger pointing.

The Democratic Party must be the moral compass of the country and act as such. Fight as such. Not fall for verbal gamesmanship.

Until the Republicans make a GOOD FAITH effort at legislation for the betterment of the country, we must not, out of boredom, guilt or impatience, try to help or work with them.

Democrats can NOT work with someone who doesn't even do the work of reading the details of his own legislation.

How can Democrats work with a president who's always golfing.

[paleotn]

32. we should not work with traitors...

regardless of what they propose.

[Maven]

34. Yes, also, "US intervention in Russian elections was just as bad!"

Very curious, indeed. I wonder if the admins ever run traces on users' IP addresses to find their geographical origin. I bet they'd find some interesting results.

[Maven]

36. If we're taking about the same post, it was removed

So nice work

[Mr.Bill]

40. Good.

Although it is my policy to never reveal how I voted on a jury.

[NRaleighLiberal]

39. now that one made me stop and pause....something stinky living at DU, clearly

[NRaleighLiberal]

38. seeing a very few posts from news - but few DUers saying this, thankfully.

[Cary]

41. Agree 100%

It's beyond that.

Don't dance with the devil. You never change the devil, the devil changes you.

He needs to hit bottom and the Republicans with him. They can blame only themselves.

[Cary]

42. Specifically we would have the issue of infrastructure

I suppose.

[lark]

66. drumpf will turn every good idea into a total travesty that's bad for Americans.

That's what Pootie has told him he needs to do to cash in on his promises to the orange assface. He'll make infrastructure bill so billionaires get huge parts of America, which will all be toll roads, toll bridges, for a tiny fraction of the cost and workers will pay for this over and over and in a multitude of ways. You can bet, there will be no "buy America" for steel, no unions, shoddy work by deviants like KBR and Kochs, just like in Iraq. he has no interest in the working class, they are just his stooges. He will keep on ignoring them like he did with Trumpcare and eventually enough will wake up to the actual harm they are experiencing and blame the person responsible.

There is no working with drumpf, he just lies and cheats and has awful intentions as well - cashing out for himself at the expense of everyone else.

[Cary]

67. When you dance with the devil you don't change the devil.

The devil changes you.

No dancing with with the orange gelatinous grift weasel.

[rhiannon55]

74. The orange gelatinous grift weasel

[Cary]

75. I stole it.

I can't remember who offered that one up, but kudos to them.

[lark]

82. Good description and one I haven't seen before.

[Posting Anonymously]

44. What a Riot (I'm hoping)

If this were the sixties, people would be rioting in the streets.

The American public has been totally pacified.

Work with Trump...LOL. He's got to be THE most hated person on Planet Earth at the moment. He'd make a great leader for ISIS or Al Qaeda. Were he a denizen of that region, he'd be running that pack of savages. We rarely encounter liars of the extreme pathological sort that Trump represents and, morally speaking, the guy is utterly depraved.

Let me know when the next legal street demonstration is...I'll be there.

[0rganism]

45. where is this trend of which you speak?

haven't seen it at DU

it's showing up in the MSM, but that's standard for them. when Democrats won congress + presidency in 2006 and 2008, the MSM couldn't get enough of Stearns-Goodwin and her "Team of Rivals" book. don't recall seeing such noble efforts in 1996 and 2000, let alone now. it's never the Republicans who have to gracefully defer to their victorious opponents.

[PatrickforO]

46. Trolled. EVERYTHING stops until we get the Russia thing sorted out.

Then, we'll probably be working with President Ryan (I know he's an odious little man), because if both Pence and Trump betrayed this nation to win an election, they will be gone.

[MountainFool]

47. I disagree!

We should work with Trump to make sure he doesn't hit his head when he's perp-walked and placed in the back seat of a squad car taking him to jail.

I wouldn't want him to have to fix his hair before his booking photo.

Other than that, yeah.

[Ms. Toad]

48. The disturbing trend is people here putting political games ahead of people's lives.

I've lost count of the number of threads here recommending letting my daughter die (don't lift a finger; make them own the mess, etc.) rather than working with the lemons we have to make the best of a bad situation - and salvage what we can to save as many lives as we can.

If we save social security, medicaid, ACA, the social safety net, etc. I don't give a flying fuck who gets credit for it - nor should anyone else around here. If there is the opportunity to work with Trump and moderate Republicans on fixing rather than dismantiling the ACA (as an example), while the conservative caucus is stomping its foot like a 2-year old, Dems ought leap at the opportunity.

We not only ought to accept opportunities that are offered - we ought to be offering them and trying to pick off the moderate Republicans who recognize their constitutents will lose their health care (social security, medicare, etc.) to support cementing what we have - or improving it.

[Leith]

50. That "Trend of Working with Trump"

has been going on for a few weeks now. I won't risk getting my post hidden by naming the couple names that cause an automatic frown, but they are there. At least one of them has about 10,000 posts.

[BlueJac]

51. Fing NO WAY!

WE have ate shit enough, it is time to fight back more that any other time in history!!


Why don't people get it, reach across the aisle and get your hand bit off , WTF!

[doc03]

53. I think Democrats should work with Trump if he would honestly

work with them to improve the ACA, but that ain't gonna happen. He has pledged to blow it up
and will do anything he can to blow it up.

[pecosbob]

55. The repubs will continue to blame their failures on the dems, this much is certain

Repubs found that they were having way too much fun at their little tea party to have ever cooperated in any way...particularly when they figured out they could get re-elected simply by monkey-wrenching the entire governmental process, painting dems as the party of totalitarian control, and themselves as the champions of the poor working slob. The only part of this at all surprising to me is that vulnerable repubs felt threatened enough to vote no on Trump's death care bill. It dems can find a way to exploit this then they may be able to achieve some minor sucesses this term, but the old model of running government in this country is dead. I hate to say it, but if dems do not find an effective way to combat the Orwellian rat-f*ckery being commonly practiced by repubs and corporate-run media (and the Russians!), then things will get much worse. Part of any attempt to move forward has to be a boycott of media outlets that propogate the slime. If you're watching cable news, you're part of the problem. The only thing that will get their attention is taking away their revenue. Any engagement with rat-f*ckers or deluded flat-earthers that does not first firmly establish goal-posts grounded in reality is a failure and only advances their agenda.

[sellitman]

56. The Democrats should work with Trump.

With the exact vigor that the Republicans worked with President Obama.

[Demsrule86]

63. That is true...again the only area is health care to stop Trump from ruining it...lives at stake...

but they did not do one damn thing for Obama so fuck them.

[Norbert9]

57. I'll work with him to pack his shit and send him out of the White House ASAP

My pipe dream is him in jail but I'll just take him out of office.

[Worktodo]

58. Jump into a garbage fire? No...

It's a really odd meme on the cable channels. Disturbing I think. Here's the Republicans with majorities in Congress and the White House and yet somehow it's "the Democrats" that need to "reach out." The other disturbing meme is that "Obamacare is broken" or "needs to be fixed". That's just not true. Sure it can be improved but it's not "broken" or "exploding". I haven't seen people saying these things on DU-- just on the "news shows".

[Martin Eden]

59. Democrats should have a strong consistent message to match genuine consistent policies ...

... to promote the goals of social & economic justice, world peace, and environmental sustainability.

To the extent Trump is willing to go along with any of that (which is doubtful) we should work with him towards those ends.

Being perceived (and actually being) strong and consistent in promoting those goals is the best strategy to achieve real progress and electoral success, regardless of who is president or which party controls the House and Senate. Being obstructionists first and foremost does not serve our cause as well, IMO.

In no way should anything I've written above be construed as weakening our resistance to the cruel and destructive policies of this administration and the Republican Party. We The People and our representatives in the Democratic Party must continue to stand up and strenuously oppose every executive order and piece of legislation antithetical to our goals.

We should also steadfastly insist on a thorough independent investigation of high crimes and misdemeanors, and impeach the bastard as warranted by the rule of law.

[Justice]

60. Depends. Don't want to be Romneyed - Trump gave us his tell too early

Don't want to be "Romneyed" means don't want to be seen as interested and cooperating over an appetizer of snails at Jean George only to be cast to the winds. Romney now neutralized from criticizing Trump because it looks like he was sour grapes.

[Demsrule86]

62. If it is to fix the ACA...of course we should.

Other than that...nothing we can do...his infrastructure program is a bullshit giveaway to big business...and won't work. We don't need tax cuts.

[JTFrog]

64. Trolls are out in force cuz Trump is tanking.

Same old smell of desperation.. Fuck 'em.

[secondwind]

65. NO NO NO!!!

[ChoppinBroccoli]

69. Jews Should Work With Hitler

[central scrutinizer]

70. There is no "middle ground" with white supremacists

They need to be resisted 100% of the time.

[Blue_Roses]

71. This is not about "him".

This is about us. By no means do I think we should just roll-over and play dead, while they pilfer our rights. President Obama has been fighting for us for 8 years. We know what to do.

[Ilsa]

72. Agreed. The gop wouldn't allow Obama to advance

any discussion on infrastructure.

[Left-over]

73. HELLLLLL NOOOOO!!!!!

[barbtries]

76. knr

all we should be doing is resisting.

[WoonTars]

77. Not now. Not ever.

He gets the same level of 'cooperation' that President Obama was given. You know, NONE.

[bronxiteforever]

78. the party of no worked for McConnell-serve him the same gruel!

No compromise because they will turn on you in an instant.

[Texin]

79. Nobody can "work with" the reThugs

They proved over and over again during the preceding 8 years that they couldn't be worked with or reasoned with. Their obstruction of the Obama presidency was unprecedented in the history of the republic, and much if stemmed by their own power-entrenched fear of being primaried by far right "burn the government down" Tea Partiers. That continues to this day. I just don't see how in hell Dems doing anything to meet these cretins in the middle is going to do anything except toady to the very group that seeks to shut them down and out and to permanently destroy even the possibility of a middle class and create a country of, by and FOR only the 1% and their vassals and serfs.

No way! The Dems need to fight them hammer and tong. Beat them up with a taste of their own medicine they were happy to spill out over the past eight years. Fuck them.

[Panich52]

80. While I certainly don't like the idea of all the distress caused

by having that self-interested, lying conman in the White House, I don't want him to succeed on anything. The mere idea that conservatives' policies can have a positive effect is anathema not only to my own sensibilities, but the historical record for 40 years economically and far longer socially.

[gordianot]

83. First question to ask what is in it for him?

You are being or will be scammed, this is the method of art of the deal. Be certain there is a poison pill.

[LiberalLovinLug]

85. I think its more like Trump should work with Democrats...not the other way around

Its a big hypothetical but.....

What if Trump, who we all know is a crazy narcissist that is addicted to being popular has an epiphane, and realizes that he could leapfrog the establishment Democratic apparatchik, and in so doing shame Hillary and Obama and all of the corporate Dems, many with ties to the insurance industry or their money, who have droned on about the impossibility of single payer. And team up with Bernie and the progressive wing of the Democratic party to champion single payer.

He could use Bernie's populism to his advantage to woo moderate and conservative Democrats. He could rally Trump Nation who will believe anything he says. And if the GOP starts going ballistic it would probably work to his advantage.

All of this relies on Trump being somewhat intelligent, which is a stretch. But it would be a way to save his presidency. (putting aside for a minute the Russia scandal and how that ends).

The question is, could we stomach watching Trump rise as the saviour to working Americans in regards to health care? Would we embrace single payer if it meant having to call it Trumpcare from then on?

Anyways, it would never happen. He's too dumb to ever consider it. And too cowardly and under the thumb of Bannon and others that would never allow him to.

[niyad]

86. I saw one of those, and just about threw up.

[sarcasmo]

87. Hell No, is right.