No Future election forecast will ever matter until we address how they rigged this last one
And *YES* I do mean vote flipping. I am NOT just talking about voter files, or name purging...I am talking about them actually SWITCHING VOTES.
They did it...and deep down you know it.
Remember the aftermath and the fog of 2016? Remember all the motherfuckers shouting "prove it" and trolling *ANYONE* who spoke their mind?
Where are they now? 
People who supposedly had such a principled and noble connection to the truth and the facts kept telling us that we needed to 'hone our message' and 'lick our wounds'.
Now that we know what some of us have been saying since JUMP, do you think that maybe...just maybe had we put our minds together on this, we could have prevented the electors from betraying our nation to the Russians?
Because Meredith McIver. Because the Trump Chumps on my social media feeds are putting pics of Maxine Waters right next to James Brown. They think that's funny.
And that's why we don't reach out to them. We SHOW them. We TELL them.
And until we recognize that this happened to us, we will not be able to prevent it from happening again.
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From top to bottom the whole republican party is in on the coup. The senators and representatives didn't care, and they know what's happening. The governor's were in on it, and the pundits got their talking points from the Heritage Foundation and whatever other insane billionaires will profit from the destruction of the government. And they successfully convinced the populace to go along with it. It may take decades, centuries even to sort this mess out. 
"Person A" and "Person B"...swapping theories about how 63+million people REALLY didn't vote for trump; I take it that means that few extra 1000s in swing states is impossible. It HAS to be "altered data of tabulated votes from about 10-15 precincts in the rust belt". Of course that theory would have to also include the notion that the exit polls were wrong (let me guess "only non-adjusted exit polls matter"
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So tell - does "Person A" just "believe"? Or can I take away from this conversation that there IS proof - that "Person A" has proof of this? And you are aware of this proof?
Great - share it!
Psst..was it the Russians??
They did get this wrong - trump also thinks there was wide-spread voter fraud...he yapped about it for weeks.
First, as to the statement by mythology in #13 ("There is absolutely zero evidence that votes were flipped" : I'd say there's no direct evidence. If the matter were being tried in court, there is circumstantial evidence that would be admissible. Contrary to occasional popular usage, "circumstantial" doesn't mean "flimsy". It's a recognized and accepted form of evidence. It can even support a criminal conviction under the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard.
More important is that the court analogy isn't a good one. A plaintiff challenging the accuracy of a reported result would have the burden of proving fraud. In the court of public opinion, however, the key point is that we cannot be sure of the accuracy of our election systems. No system should be considered acceptable unless the evidence shows, maybe not to a certainty but at least beyond a reasonable doubt, that the reported results will be accurate. The current state of the evidence concerning voting in the United States does not show that.
My impression is that your post means that the challenges to the system should be disregarded unless and until the critics can establish theft of an election. If that's your meaning, I disagree.
I do, however, completely agree with your conclusion about learning from and fixing our mistakes. Against a candidate like Trump, our win should have been so overwhelming as to be beyond the ability of the fraudsters to undermine.
I don't know if TPTB have investigated the possibility that the electronic voting machines and/or tabulators may have a back door built in that could allow somebody to secretly gain access and modify vote totals without anybody knowing it. Have they questioned any experts on electronic voting machines, tabulators, and relevant networking? Could a programmer at the manufacturer create a back door and then quietly pass along details on how to access it? Maybe for a hefty price?
and when did they know it?
Did they refuse to act on Merrick Garland and other issues because they knew the next election was in the bag thanks to their secret plan? In a sane world seven years of mindless political obstruction would have earned them a long stretch in political irrelevance--the exact opposite of what they got.
check out
http://electiondefensealliance.org/
for starters
etc., etc.
Hopefully the investigations will get some good input from these folks who have been looking at this stuff for years.
Nah....the Russian HACK into our election (and to be clear, I am not JUST talking about vote rigging, but FUUUUUCK if that's somehow "off the table" is by far the biggest story of our lifetime. Bar none.
We've been playing politics with the right. They've been playing war. The sooner we get hip to that, the sooner we can stop bringing knives, or strongly worded letters, to gun fights.
