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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow the hell is this all OK? How the hell can this be happening?
A lamebrain do and know nothing as our president - nothing but a two bit reality TV "star" with a dysfunctional entitled narcissistic family
RUSSIA - yes, that's right - RUSSIA connections
An illegitimate election result putting this idiot and his cronies in charge
Bull in a china shop destruction of all things reasonable and decent
Blatant racism and worse - name the ____ogeny
The newspapers, the media, everyone screaming about how completely wrong and screwed up it all is.
And yet - it is happening - on a daily basis.
At least once a day I have to remind myself that we are not just all living in a very bad dystopian novel.
SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)onetexan
(12,994 posts)brooklynite
(93,880 posts)Sometimes, voters act irrationally.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)brooklynite
(93,880 posts)His core message wasn't more than: "I'll do the same things better".
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)that year because of the anti war sentiment at that time. Of course i was WRONG.
LisaM
(27,762 posts)Problem was, he couldn't get covered. At first, everyone was all over Dean. When that fizzled out and Kerry was left as the strongest candidate, for some reason, the media just didn't engage with him.
He came to speak in Seattle and his speech was riveting. It was completely geared to local issues and you could tell he'd written it himself and was extremely well versed in things that mattered to the Pacific Northwest. He talked about the logging and fishing industries, about the environment, about Boeing, and just everything that mattered here. It definitely was not a routine stump speech. He was also very charismatic.
The local media chose to report none of that on the news that night; instead they snarked that he'd taken his wife to an expensive anniversary dinner at Canlis.
In Gore, Kerry, and Clinton we had possibly three of the most qualified, experienced, and best-prepared people to ever run for office. I don't think we need to apologize for that. I don't think that these brilliant people should be called mediocre. It's the voters who have become intellectually mediocre and lazy. And the media kind of plays along, talking about where and what someone ate, rather than focusing in on a very nuanced and well-delivered speech.
Okay, climbing off the soapbox now!
Blanks
(4,835 posts)I think we've had great candidates. I was impressed with Kerry, I felt like we'd turned from a truly great path when Bush stole the election and I think Hillary was awesome too.
The press is now, and always has been run by the wealthy and republicans always favor the wealthy. Until the working class has their own news media, the media will always favor republicans.
mn9driver
(4,412 posts)He was colorful, but not completely incompetent. He doesn't think much of the Orange Shitstain either.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,483 posts)went along. So as usual, your whataboutism horseshit is.... Well. Just that.
Cha
(295,929 posts)wrong.
JI7
(89,182 posts)if he had spewed the shit that Trump did.
Ventura actually did talk about issues which many people agreed with him on. but he was just not good at the job.
but he wasn't living off taxpayers while spreading vile disgusting shit at people.
Tanuki
(14,893 posts)notdarkyet
(2,226 posts)global1
(25,169 posts)we are bending over and taking it up the old kazoo - as you say on a daily basis. We know what has happened and what they are doing to destroy this country and yet no one is doing anything to counteract and resolve this situation.
We are letting it happen. Just like we let Trump happen during the primaries and the run up to the Nov election.
We know he was problematic - yet we just let it proceed without trying to stop it. The same thing is happening right now as he is an occupant of the WH.
I keep asking where are the patriot's in Congress - particularly the Repug Party - that can put Country over Party?
Blanks
(4,835 posts)It's incredibly disappointing.
What I keep coming up with is that too many people stayed home on Election Day, or too many people were kept from voting on Election Day.
Long lines in known democratic districts, and that whole 'cross check' thing.
I'm having a tough time getting through each day honestly.
It's the 'stupid people' that are making it difficult. The Sean Spicers, Reince Priebus, and all of my family and friends that thought it'd be a good idea to vote for a reality TV star.
It is hell.
Big_K
(237 posts)Every day is a struggle because more and more keeps coming out, people say "he's toast!" and yet nothing is changing. Any rational person (thereby discounting Cheetolini's 37% approval group) sees that this needs to end. But I fear that unless we take back the House and/or Senate in 2018, nothing is going to change. If things get too bad for Orange Hitler, then it's war with Iran and/or North Korea and/or China, and we have to support our "President" in time of war.
mahina
(17,506 posts)This may be the unveiling of an ugly truth about the Republican party, and hopefully, our low point.
BSdetect
(8,989 posts)cannot be very surprised that this clown stole the show.
He's an order of magnitude worse I agree.
whathehell
(28,969 posts)perhaps even another universe.
JI7
(89,182 posts)even Christie who is a jackass but still not the repulsive subhuman level of trump.
all of those would have been horrible presidents like bush, reagan, nixon etc .
but Trump is something else entirely.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)Or am I the only one who remembers this?
JI7
(89,182 posts)and all the media coverage he got without question.
woodsprite
(11,854 posts)And I was appalled thinking that anyone - Repub or Dem - would think so little of and willingly discount our whole election process and possible outcomes and the effects on our citizens and our country in that way.
The comment that we needed serious, valid candidates from all parties in the running fell on deaf ears with some.
Cha
(295,929 posts)though without the assistance of the m$m.. and other aids, though.. imo.
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)I was just about to write a very similar post. I was having these exact feelings for the past few days.
I am so amazed that we are going through this. The motivating issue for me was the environment. It seems that not a day goes by that we are not seeing some vital regulation being stripped of its power. We are just standing by and watching this idiot rip down what has taken so many years to build.
Yet, what can we do?
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)I wanted to in the one where Hillary is president, or maybe the one where Bernie is president. What we need now is a rift in the space-time continuum so we can travel to the alternate universe where we belong!
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)dmosh42
(2,217 posts)Joe McCarthy, the John Birch society, etc. All brought to us by the Republican party! If anyone even mentioned negotiating with Red China or the USSR, you
might be tagged with names like 'pinko', commie or other unpatriotic decriptives. Now, after all these years I'm watching this play out with the
Republicans defending the Putin gang and their association with their 'selected' president. What a bunch of sympathizers ass-wiping the former
commie crooks!
brush
(53,475 posts)and McConnell are just going along with it. It's disgraceful. They care nothing about the country, only about getting their agenda through.
Meanwhile 11 Russians connected to this have dropped dead. Wonder if Americans here start turning up dead will they then care?
colorado_ufo
(5,717 posts)recently died of "natural" causes. In his sixties, I believe. It happened in our country.
This is a possibility, sadly.
Kimchijeon
(1,606 posts)I feel the same way. Just like we're in Bizarro world, or the Mirror universe... but it's reality.
logosoco
(3,208 posts)I try to get away from the news, but it is worse than leaving a toddler alone for a few minutes!
I thought after Bush we would never "go there" again. And now it is worse!
The only advantage I am seeing is that my 9 and 7 year old grandsons are learning that it can be okay sometimes to question the people at the top if they are openly being...well, the only word I can think of here is STUPID!
IronLionZion
(45,269 posts)and don't have a problem with it. I worry about those people.
N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,593 posts)We think we can fix this shit. No, no, no. We are complicit if we go that way.
We need to destroy this administration. Destroy. Burned ground. Nothing left. No compassion. No democratic thought process. Fucking destroy!
Time for a revolution. Not only in thought, not only in words. In maybe, violent action.
We are that close. We are there.
Initech
(99,915 posts)We think we can change the other side, but they're beyond that point. Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan are aggressive abusers and we need to see this and kick them to the curb. They're addicted to wealth and power. They're tools of the billionaire criminals, who only seek to further abuse us and get away with it. The sooner we recognize we're in an abusive relationship, and we can identify the abusers, the better off we'll be.
is right on.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)The GOP and their ilk are dead set on destroying the social safety net, all government regulation and allowing plutocrats to bilk the rest of us at will. They are racists (sorry but the truth is to be worn like a literal scarlet letter on them). They have no empathy. They are without vision or purpose beyond killing the government of the people to install government by the wealthy.
These sons-of-bitches want to put women in the kitchen, minorities in the back of the bus and white men in charge of everything (and I AM a white man who finds this horrifying)...
There is no compromise with them. They are implacable and unbending and we as Democrats need to STOP believing that there is such a thing as a "sane Republican" or "honest broker" to deal with on their side...
They have stolen generations of accumulated wealth through tax cuts that looted the Social Security Trust Fund and even went so far as to say things like "Budgets don't matter", "Tax cuts pay for themself" and ran up the cost of 2 wars on the national credit card by NEVER adding those costs to the budget in the first place. They claim the mantle of "fiscal responsibility" and it is a demonstrable, hideous LIE!!! (DEBT GOES WAY UP UNDER GOP ... THAT IS FACT!)
Democrats must own some of the blame for not fully stopping these trends and bad behaviors during the Clinton and Obama administrations...but I will cop to it...it felt good in both of those eras just to STOP DOING WORSE DAMAGE (moving away from Reaganomics under Clinton and repairing the disastrous GWB errors under Obama)...it was easy to settle for slowing down the damage to the nation than it would have been to fight harder and REVERSE the damage.
As the communication between urban and rural becomes more strained and less of a common reality, the likelihood of a second split in the nation increases. The cheering on of your "team" in our politics, irregardless of their misdeeds, lies or crimes is a dire problem.
I do not have a lot of hope for the future.
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elmac
(4,642 posts)and tRump is playing Anthony
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Trump is an aged, fat, imbecilic white guy. He has the power that the media and Congress assign to him. He used to have the power that the Constitution grants him, but both he and Congress have shown us that the Constitution really doesn't matter anymore.
I am realizing more and more that our Government was really always based on a "gentleman's agreement". That agreement completely fell apart when non-gentlemen took hold of the reigns.
Politicub
(12,163 posts)There you have it.
FakeNoose
(32,356 posts)Never forget gerrymandering!
murielm99
(30,657 posts)The far left and the people who bought into all the misogyny and Hillary hate on our side. Thirty years of it!
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)Kablooie
(18,572 posts)if only Republicans would do what they know they should do to investigate and impeach this jerk. They are really the ones that are responsible for all of this.
Dopers_Greed
(2,640 posts)Boomers: "I don't care as long as I still get my retirement."
Millenials: "All politicians are equally bad because Glenn Greenwald told me so."
33% of the country: "I support all of this."
ProfessorGAC
(64,427 posts)What was your point on that first sentence?
Full Disclosure: I'm a boomer closing in on retirement in early 60's because we saved and saved, didn't buy a trophy house, didn't buy the most expensive cars for which could borrow money, and both worked. (Well my wife retired at 50, but 30 years for her.) So, "It" is our fault because we don't care?
Dopers_Greed
(2,640 posts)...that many people nearing retirement age are going to be willing to overlook many of the horrible things Chump does, so long as it doesn't directly affect them financially.
Keep in mind that I'm not talking about any of the wonderful DU'ers here.
ProfessorGAC
(64,427 posts)My bad. I know boomers went dominantly for "It", but then he didn't say on the campaign trail he was going to abandon pre-existing conditions and nearly all boomers have one of those.
They wouldn't not have voted against their own health care, but they bought the BS. Not all of us, thankfully.
red dog 1
(27,648 posts)The GOP controls both houses of Congress!
There's nothing the Democrats can do about it, imo.
uppityperson
(115,674 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(59,940 posts)Tatiana
(14,167 posts)A lot of things -- they push the envelope just because they know it will depress liberals. It's hard. I feel depressed, too, sometimes. But, at the same time I realize that I can't give them what they want. There's nothing like a big dose of activism to counter the depression from these diabolical "deconstructors." I joined my local Indivisible group and I channel my energy into contacting and protesting outside my local wingnut's office.
JI7
(89,182 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)vlyons
(10,252 posts)Have you ever read any novels by Kafka? That's where we're at. And it's not going to get better any time soon. So you better learn to grit your teeth and bear it, because it's probably going to get worse. There may be a big crash coming. The social safety net is evaporating, and efforts to deal with climate change are being reversed.
But don't freak out, because that won't help either. We all need to calm down, exert some self control over our emotions of fear and anger. We all need to channel our energies as best we can to winning some elections in 2018 and 2020. We are much more effective when we are calm and focused than when we are freaked out. So help you family and friends to stay calm and focused too. We need every vote to defeat these greedy money-grubbing monsters.
lark
(23,006 posts)The destruction of our values, economy and standing with the world has begun and is picking up speed daily. Russia and Drumpf are colluding for the destruction of everything good for their own personal benefit. drujmpf is so stupid, he thinks Pootie will actually give him a huge benefit. That's not going to happen. As soon as Pootie gets NATO fucked over he'll invade Ukraine and once he's gotten that under control he'll turn on Drumpf and release all incriminating evidence to further destroy this country.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)If you want to depress yourself, think about how different your life will be by the time this nightmare is over? Some will be retired. Some will graduate. Some will change jobs multiple times. Marriages, births, deaths, a lot will happen before we can really expect to fix this nightmare.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)something something E-mails something something Huma Abedin something something warmonger something something Clinton Foundation something something "establishment" something something Podesta something something unlikable something something rust belt something something working class white folks something something Chelsea something something Wall Street speeches something something DNC something something Debbie Wasserman-Schultz...