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(42,302 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)RKP5637
(67,104 posts)Cha
(297,154 posts)And, then he said.. ".. he was really angry what he saw in regard to the Civil War.. he said there's no reason for this..blah blah blah.."
Is it me.. or does he contradict himself? On top of exposing himself once again to be a Complete Idiot. Oh and this is who Van Jones thought was "a president" with "the Speech"
mcar
mcar
(42,302 posts)He's an utter fool.
Cha
(297,154 posts)one out.. so I thought I would.
mcar
(42,302 posts)I can't come up with enough bad words to describe it or him.
Cha
(297,154 posts)has a clip of him.
It makes me too mad.
mcar
(42,302 posts)But my jaw hurts from my mouth dropping open so much.
thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)So when he says "he was really angry what he saw in regard to the Civil War" he could have essentially been saying "he was really angry what he saw in regard to the run-up to the Civil War". His speech is sloppy enough in general where you can reasonably see that. Also, an article in the NYTimes mentioned that he could have been referring to the the nullification crisis, which did happen under Jackson and was, in a sense, a prelude to the CW.
Really, I don't think there is an issue here that Trump actually thought Jackson was alive duing the CW. On the list of Trump mis-statements, this one is pretty low, and arguably passable.
The bigger issue may be that he seems to think the CW could have been avoided, without explaining how the South was going to be inclined to give up slavery without a war. As that NYT article says,
The expansion of slavery caused the Civil War, he said. And you cant get around that. So what does Trump mean? Would he have let slavery exist but not expand? Thats the counterfactual question you have to ask.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/01/us/politics/trump-andrew-jackson-fact-check.html
still_one
(92,138 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Trump loves the Confederacy.
still_one
(92,138 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...of their biggest annual fundraising events.
George II
(67,782 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,062 posts)trixie2
(905 posts)rpannier
(24,329 posts)He could have prevented the horrible non-massacre.
I heard from reliable sources that his Harley Broke down just miles from the site
I'm sure you're aware that after his presidency (and lamentation of the Civil War) that Jackson had a very successful career as a motorcycle daredevil
George II
(67,782 posts)rpannier
(24,329 posts)It was originally 'The Andrew Jackson Factor'
O' Reilly took it over after Andrew's terrible cycle accident
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)are going to have to include a 'coloring book' section with no captioning to include this blithering blathering moron.
Initech
(100,063 posts)And long enough to be able to write history books.
oasis
(49,376 posts)Dolt 45 indeed.
rug
(82,333 posts)First Speaker
(4,858 posts)...Jackson was a strong Union man, and John C Calhoun was his enemy. Jackson certainly took a strong stand against the South Carolina nullifiers in 1833, threatening to personally lead an invasion of the state. At the time of Fort Sumter, many Northerners regretted that Lincoln wasn't being "more like Jackson". It's impossible to know what he would have felt had he still been alive in 1861, but I doubt he would have sympathized with disunion.
oasis
(49,376 posts)be damned.
dalton99a
(81,451 posts)and all the other wars
SoCalNative
(4,613 posts)often called him out on it!
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Most Americans don't realize the Revolutionary War was fought against the Crown so the colonists could expand westward to fertile lands free for the killing of the inhabitants.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)He must have him confused with Andrew Johnson.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)And he is a complete narcissist who loves his own voice and won't question himself anyway. Horrible combination.
Tumbulu
(6,272 posts)And I keep wondering why nobody talks about it.
But you have, so thanks!
malaise
(268,930 posts)He is an ignorant buffoon and apparently he's quite proud of that truth
Caliman73
(11,730 posts)He knows Andrew Jackson because he is on money, his portrait was up at the White House, and Jackson was the Donald Trump character of the 1800's.
He said, "Why couldn't that have been worked out". I would have asked, "How would you have settled the question of slavery?" He is a completely ignorant fool.
svpadgham
(670 posts)Even if this was just a mistake in names, none of it really applies to Johnson. It's clear that Trump is just making shit up, knowing his base is just as clueless if not more so than he is.
Another thing I learned is that even though Republicans in the 1860's were on the right side of history, they still had a penchant for trying to impeach Democrats based on trumped up charges and unconstitutional legislation.
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)An Id without an ego who thinks the super ego is a title bestowed on the bigly.
LeftInTX
(25,258 posts)A blubbering fool.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)republicans - and their Draft-Dodging commander, Comrade Casino - are now spewing more lies and misinformation.
deplorable
n2doc
(47,953 posts)Terrible thing, that. So many patriots died that day.....
malaise
(268,930 posts)okieinpain
(9,397 posts)NoMoreRepugs
(9,412 posts)I spilled laughing so hard... good one
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Thank you
2naSalit
(86,536 posts)Mountain Mule
(1,002 posts)So glad that DUMBf remembers Jackson and Bowling Green!
(good one!)
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)OKNancy
(41,832 posts)What is clear is he is wrong about Jackson's opinion about the reasons for the war. He was very very much pro-union.
He said succession was treason.
He was also a slave holder. He would have been very conflicted.
The run up to the war was very evident while Jackson was alive.
Trump is still a fool and an idiot, no doubt.
Demit
(11,238 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,848 posts)1845, a full 16 years before the start of the Civil War, as the period of the "run up to the war."
And Jackson was pro-union in his lifetime mainly in terms of strengthening the new country's hold on the rest of the continent. As a slave holder, I'm inclined to believe he would have supported the Confederacy.
And even if I'm totally wrong about what I've just posted, at least I'm fully aware of when Jackson died and when the Civil War was, and the fact that lots of people over the years did try to avert the war.
Trump's ignorance is actually scary.
kpete
(71,984 posts)Botany
(70,490 posts)Fredrick Douglas, Rosa Parks, Harriet Tubman, & Lucian Pavarotti all are still alive and kicking
shockey80
(4,379 posts)He does not like to read. He is a ignorant fool.
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)Nashville rally in March 2017, and laid a wreath on Jackson's grave. You'd think he might have noticed the date of death:
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Gee, you would think he was good at numbers, at least.
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)what year the Civil War began!
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Mr. bone spurs is not military, at any point his pathetic life.
WTF is he saluting anything?????
civilian Presidents are not even supposed to salute the military people who stand at attention when they board/unboard Air Force One.
Grammy23
(5,810 posts)Missing that information, he might get a little confused.
As for what he needs to get up to speed on history, I was going to suggest a coloring book. But before that he needs to talk to the Scarecrow about where to get a brain.
struggle4progress
(118,278 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)world wide wally
(21,740 posts)shockey80
(4,379 posts)walk through a cherokee indian reservation.
shockey80
(4,379 posts)Walk through a cherokee indian reservation without security. He wouldn't make it out of there alive.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Jackson, who would become the countrys seventh commander in chief in 1829, promised anyone who captured this Mulatto Man Slave a reward of $50, plus reasonable expenses paid.
Jackson added a line that some historians find particularly cruel.
It offered ten dollars extra, for every hundred lashes any person will give him, to the amount of three hundred.
The ad was signed, ANDREW JACKSON, Near Nashville, State of Tennessee.
Jackson, whose face is on the $20 bill and who President Trump paid homage to in March, owned about 150 enslaved people at The Hermitage, his estate near Nashville, when he died in 1845, according to records.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/04/11/hunting-down-runaway-slaves-the-cruel-ads-of-andrew-jackson-and-the-master-class/
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)What a stupid, evil man. Both of them.
C_U_L8R
(44,998 posts)Really... Trump is a fool. A dope. An idiot. A moron.
superpatriotman
(6,247 posts)They love the fact that he is as stupid as they are.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Wow, this is really sad to hear.
At least we've still got Stonewall.
Retrograde
(10,133 posts)Don't try to fool me - I majored in American History at Trump U.!
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)was saying it's so difficult to work with the White House and President Bush?
She immediately corrected to "Trump" and added that she only wished she were dealing with Bush rather than Trump - something she thought she'd never say.
duncang
(1,907 posts)Im, like, a really smart person.
From the HuffingtonPost
"Is This Why Trump Wont Release His College Transcripts?"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-ostroy/hey-trump-show-us-the-wha_b_8949332.html
underpants
(182,772 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)Vile man that he is.
tinrobot
(10,895 posts)The man is dangerously ignorant.
bora13
(860 posts)told him that Andrew Jackson and "Stonewall" Jackson were one and the same.
sheeesh, even bannon could have told him that Thomas Jackson was the confederate general.
ffr
(22,669 posts)You heard me right, we've all got history wrong. We are the ones who've been brainwashed by our liberal school system. 45 and the Freedom Caucus have history right and their followers believe they're right too.
This is what we're up against.
Was It Over When The Germans Bombed Pearl Harbor? Freedom Caucus Asks - Huffington Post
Vinca
(50,261 posts)Motley13
(3,867 posts)clearly putz failed.
What an imbecile.
SNL will have a great time with that one
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)after Jackson was killed in the Bowling Green massacre. Frederick Douglass didn't attend; he was in Sweden trying to quell the riots. He probably wouldn't have gone anyhow.
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)Or the fact he doesn't know why the Civil War was fought. This guy is a freaking moron or demented or both.
Javaman
(62,517 posts)is a stark raving moron.
SomethingNew
(279 posts)I read it again. Who knows wtf he said. He's practically illiterate.
GallopingGhost
(2,404 posts)to avoid that pesky Civil War...who knew?
Speak belligerently, and carry an Ol' Hickory stick.
RKP5637
(67,104 posts)educated. He brags about his education, blah, blah, blah. I can't believe he even got out of grade school. And, if this is not true, then he has serious dementia and should be removed as president. ... but that would mean, UGH, Pence would take his place.
Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)Much like Bush Jr, it is highly likely he got a "gentleman's C" to pass his college classes.
mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)Stupid is in charge. Resist!
Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)However, there is little doubt he would have been a traitorous Southerner if he had been alive in 1860.
He was, after all, a southern slave owner.
LeftInTX
(25,258 posts)Trump should put this pic on his wall!!
Retrograde
(10,133 posts)I've never seen ones with side lenses before. For peripheral vision, I suppose.
Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)I think the "side" lenses are hinged, for reading. Early alternative to bifocals, perhaps, or maybe to overcome the effects of cataracts.
Retrograde
(10,133 posts)and I'm a decent armchair historian when it comes to American history. However, in all the reading I've done about Lincoln and the Civil War Andrew Jackson never seems to come up as a big player, which would lead me to conclude that he wasn't around then or he'd have weighed in with his opinions, not being a shy, retiring type.
As for the causes of the Civil War - if one stacked the books, dissertations, magazines, and papers written about it they would likely dwarf Trump Tower. I understand he doesn't like to read, but there are several decent TV shows about it, including Burns'.
randr
(12,409 posts)and send this bozo back in time to fix every thing that went wrong.
usedtobedemgurl
(1,137 posts)Not that this sort of buffoonery needs an answer, but... I'll let Chelsea Clinton provide one:
"1 word answer: Slavery. Longer: When Andrew Jackson died in 1845 (16 yrs before the Civil War began), he owned 150 men, women and children."
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)but Tennessee was hardly a bastion of support for
the Confederacy, and supplied tens of thousands of
volunteers to the Union.
niyad
(113,259 posts)Portrait of Andrew Jackson, who earned the top spot on our list of worst U.S. presidents.
Portrait of Andrew Jackson, who earned the top spot on our list of worst U.S. presidents.
Indian-Killer Andrew Jackson Deserves Top Spot on List of Worst US Presidents
Andrew Jackson tops list of worst presidents for Natives
Gale Courey Toensing February 20, 2017
Unlike the statement in Indian Country Media Networks Best Presidents for Indian country story, its a bit easier identifying the worst presidents for Indian country. Five tend to stand out with the majority of the rest huddled together after that. Here are our nods to the presidents who did more harm than good for Native Americans while in office.
Andrew Jackson: A man nicknamed Indian killer and Sharp Knife surely deserves the top spot on a list of worst U.S. Presidents. Andrew Jackson was a forceful proponent of Indian removal, according to PBS. Others have a less genteel way of describing the seventh president of the United States.
Andrew Jackson was a wealthy slave owner and infamous Indian killer, gaining the nickname Sharp Knife from the Cherokee, writes Amargi on the website Unsettling America: Decolonization in Theory & Practice. He was also the founder of the Democratic Party, demonstrating that genocide against indigenous people is a nonpartisan issue. His first effort at Indian fighting was waging a war against the Creeks. President Jefferson had appointed him to appropriate Creek and Cherokee lands. In his brutal military campaigns against Indians, Andrew Jackson recommended that troops systematically kill Indian women and children after massacres in order to complete the extermination. The Creeks lost 23 million acres of land in southern Georgia and central Alabama, paving the way for cotton plantation slavery. His frontier warfare and subsequent negotiations opened up much of the southeast U.S. to settler colonialism.
Andrew Jackson was not only a genocidal maniac against the Indigenous Peoples of the southwest, he was also racist against African peoples and a scofflaw who violated nearly every standard of justice, according to historian Bertram Wyatt-Brown. As a major general in 1818, Andrew Jackson invaded Spanish Florida chasing fugitive slaves who had escaped with the intent of returning them to their owners, and sparked the First Seminole War. During the conflict, Jackson captured two British men, Alexander George Arbuthnot and Robert C. Ambrister, who were living among the Seminoles. The Seminoles had resisted Jacksons invasion of their land. One of the men had written about his support for the Seminoles land and treaty rights in letters found on a boat. Andrew Jackson used the evidence to accuse the men of inciting the Seminoles to savage warfare against the U.S. He convened a special court martial tribunal then had the men executed. His actions were a study in flagrant disobedience, gross inequality and premeditated ruthlessness he swept through Florida, crushed the Indians, executed Arbuthnot and Ambrister, and violated nearly every standard of justice, Wyatt-Brown wrote.
https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/history/people/indian-killer-andrew-jackson-deserves-top-spot-on-list-of-worst-us-presidents/
oasis
(49,376 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,128 posts)Fort Sumter would have been conquered by television news, if they'd just
turned the damn set on!
pangaia
(24,324 posts)But rather IF he had been alive then..
Of course then it gets just bonkers..
Please correct me if I am wrong.
bucolic_frolic
(43,128 posts)that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War,
he said, "There's no reason for this.""
_______________________________________________
Andrew Jackson did not see the Civil War.
There's always this blending of time periods with 45. This
is called confabulation, a term I became familiar with working
with dementia patients. They mix and blend time periods.
It could be Andrew Jackson's anger that attracts 45 to the current
idea. Last time he talked with him.
_______________________________________________
"In psychiatry, confabulation (verb: confabulate) is a disturbance of memory, defined as the production of fabricated, distorted, or misinterpreted memories about oneself or the world, without the conscious intention to deceive.[1] Individuals who confabulate present incorrect memories ranging from "subtle alterations to bizarre fabrications",[2] and are generally very confident about their recollections, despite contradictory evidence.[3]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confabulation
pangaia
(24,324 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,128 posts)because in the first sentence he did say "had Andrew Jackson been
a little later ...."
So there is this dreamy, amorphous reality that sorta sounds right,
but isn't logically correct. It confuses the listener, who is none-the-less
drawn into the narcissistic dialogue. It's conniving, manipulating emotions,
and 45 is very good at it.
I really think these subtle illogical inconsistencies are mesmerizing to
some people, it's like worshipping an all powerful Daddy. It makes them
childlike and more susceptible to manipulation.
John1956PA
(2,654 posts)It is reasonable to concluded that Trump thinks that Jackson was still alive in the 1860s.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)louis c
(8,652 posts)There's no way he's working on all cylinders.
Kablooie
(18,626 posts)We put it to you, the historians, to work hard and come up with an answer to that one!
We know it's hard to do, I mean it was more than many years ago, but there must have been some reason for the Civil War so we charge you to ferret it out so we all will know!
I suggest you ask my 7th grade teacher, Mrs. Sternberg, to start.
She might be able to send you in the right direction.
malaise
(268,930 posts)lefthandedskyhook
(964 posts)we could have avoided the loss of so, so much that conservatives, slaveholders, and megalomaniacs hold dear
MrPurple
(985 posts)Response to MrPurple (Reply #101)
MrPurple This message was self-deleted by its author.
Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)should have been worked out.
Hekate
(90,645 posts)Tumbulu
(6,272 posts)and I imagine that this is why his children are all around him and taking things on. I have discussed this with other people over 60 that I know, and they agree.
I think the republicans will keep in in office until his second Supreme Court justice gets sworn in, and then he will be retired/impeached/ whatever.
Just my prediction.....for whatever it is worth.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)sausages and cheese.
PaulRevere08
(449 posts)No doubt 45 was saying that Jackson was around when the war began. Unless he was looking up from hell in between whipping slaves and murdering Native Americans.