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LOL LOL LOL : Donald Trump said Andrew Jackson was alive during the Civil War (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 OP
Every day, more stupid mcar May 2017 #1
Borowitz: "White House Portrait of Andrew Jackson Calls Trump a Moron" L. Coyote May 2017 #65
Perfect! mcar May 2017 #70
+++1,000,000 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #81
Didn't he contradict himself? Saying.. Cha May 2017 #107
He contradicts himself on a regular basis mcar May 2017 #112
Yeah, I know.. but I didn't see anyone pointing that Cha May 2017 #114
Did you see his interview with Dickerson? mcar May 2017 #116
No, I just can't even stand to hear him talk when Colbert Cha May 2017 #117
I still get queasy mcar May 2017 #118
Yeah, the "later" indicates that he did know that Jackson came before the Civil War. thesquanderer May 2017 #115
One racist relating to another racist still_one May 2017 #2
The Civil War could have been avoided if everyone were more racist like Jackson! L. Coyote May 2017 #12
you nailed it exactly!!! still_one May 2017 #14
That's why many states' Democratic Parties have removed "Jackson" from the names... George II May 2017 #47
But Jackson atoned for his racism by marching across the Edmund Pettis Bridge with MLK. George II May 2017 #59
Exactly. Arm in arm with MLK and Frederick Douglass. Ms. Toad May 2017 #64
Hilarious! trixie2 May 2017 #87
If only... if only... if only Andrew Jackson had been able to get to Bowling Green on time rpannier May 2017 #105
....and Fox News contributor! George II May 2017 #106
Little Known Fact rpannier May 2017 #111
Our history books... yallerdawg May 2017 #3
Of course that's assuming we survive this administration. Initech May 2017 #8
Slaveholder Jackson would have been on the side of the rebel traitors. oasis May 2017 #4
Just like John Tyler who voted for Virginia to secede. rug May 2017 #15
Not necessarily... First Speaker May 2017 #42
Jackson would've done everything to protect his "property". The union oasis May 2017 #74
Jackson was also very angry with regard to the Spanish-American War and WWI dalton99a May 2017 #5
Yes, Frederick Douglass SoCalNative May 2017 #27
There was a Native American genocide and the Idiot-in-Chief has no clue about who did it. L. Coyote May 2017 #6
I think it is remarkable Trump thought Andrew Jackson was alive during the Civil War. DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #7
He has dementia. That's why he is able to just blurt out bullshit without the capacity to filter. L. Coyote May 2017 #9
It is quite obvious to me that he has demetia Tumbulu May 2017 #108
Not really malaise May 2017 #33
I doubt he knows who Andrew Johnson is. Caliman73 May 2017 #52
I had considered that, and then read about Andrew Johnson. svpadgham May 2017 #113
Stupid man. Clueless, willfully ignorant cautionary tale. Solly Mack May 2017 #10
You nailed it LeftInTX May 2017 #69
republican shallowness & ignorance shine through Achilleaze May 2017 #11
Well Jackson did die in the Bowling Green Massacre that started the Civil War! n2doc May 2017 #13
LOL - you win the thread malaise May 2017 #34
+1 dalton99a May 2017 #40
bingo n/t. okieinpain May 2017 #43
Darn u n2Doc, gotta clean up the coffee on my desk NoMoreRepugs May 2017 #46
I needed that laugh! NastyRiffraff May 2017 #49
Oh Snap! I totally forgot about that! ...nt 2naSalit May 2017 #54
Some of my ancestors gave up their lives that day Mountain Mule May 2017 #66
.. JHan May 2017 #86
Andrew Jackson spoke at my H.S. graduation in 1964 left-of-center2012 May 2017 #16
I'm not sure that quote means he thought Jackson was alive. It's unclear OKNancy May 2017 #17
It's hard to tell, the way he talks in sentence fragments, but I agree with you. Demit May 2017 #37
I sincerely doubt that we can describe PoindexterOglethorpe May 2017 #67
Here's the audio of Trump: but why was there the Civil War? kpete May 2017 #18
Andrew Jackson (March 15, 1767 June 8, 1845) Botany May 2017 #19
Somebody needs to get trump history books with pictures. shockey80 May 2017 #20
He even visited Andrew Jackson's home, The Hermitage, right before his Tanuki May 2017 #21
I did not know he was at the grave marker. dixiegrrrrl May 2017 #84
Yep, but as Grammy23 said below, we shouldn't assume that he knows Tanuki May 2017 #95
Why is he saluting?????!!!! dixiegrrrrl May 2017 #100
That's assuming he knows the dates of the Civil War. Grammy23 May 2017 #94
Andrew Jackson told me he voted for Trump struggle4progress May 2017 #22
He's got him mixed up with Stonewall Jackson... idiot... and even that barely works, stupid ass. boston bean May 2017 #23
at least it wasn't the Jackson 5. kwassa May 2017 #25
But doesn't Trump always tell it like it is? world wide wally May 2017 #24
I would love to see trump put on a Andrew Jackson t-shirt and shockey80 May 2017 #26
I should have added. shockey80 May 2017 #28
Here is Andrew Jackson's advertisement for a runaway slave kwassa May 2017 #29
Of course Trump would worship someone like that. smirkymonkey May 2017 #48
What a PreziDunce. C_U_L8R May 2017 #30
This will solidify his base superpatriotman May 2017 #31
Are you saying Andrew Jackson is DEAD?!?! Barack_America May 2017 #32
Wait - they're different people??? Retrograde May 2017 #45
Anybody see the opening of Morning Joe where Nancy Pelosi spiderpig May 2017 #35
I went to the Wharton School of Business, Donald Trump routinely brags at his campaign rallies. duncang May 2017 #36
? underpants May 2017 #38
It is to be regretted that the rich and powerful too often bend the acts of government to their own Sunlei May 2017 #39
Andrew Jackson's nickname, King Mob, would fit Trump aikoaiko May 2017 #41
No LOL's for me... that's just plain scary. tinrobot May 2017 #44
his "cute as a cookie" brain bora13 May 2017 #50
The whole problem started around the time when Germany bombed Pearl Harbor ffr May 2017 #51
If only Fred Douglass had spoken up then. Vinca May 2017 #55
Wharton might want to check out their history program Motley13 May 2017 #53
Luciano Pavarotti sang at his funeral The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #56
I'm not sure what's worse...Trump blatant ignorance about Jackson Docreed2003 May 2017 #57
each and everyday we are treated to more evidence that the president... Javaman May 2017 #58
Nvm SomethingNew May 2017 #60
Well, if that's all it would have taken GallopingGhost May 2017 #61
I used to think he had mental issues, but now I think he's plain fucken illiterate and poorly RKP5637 May 2017 #62
All of the above... Wounded Bear May 2017 #76
I can no longer laugh or cry. It's mind numbing. mountain grammy May 2017 #63
TBH, I couldn't have told you when Jackson died before I read this... Wounded Bear May 2017 #68
I knew he died in the 1840s because he died just when photography was catching on: LeftInTX May 2017 #71
Weird specs Retrograde May 2017 #73
Don't think so... Wounded Bear May 2017 #75
Neither could I Retrograde May 2017 #72
We need a way back machine randr May 2017 #77
Clinton (Chelsea) responded...... usedtobedemgurl May 2017 #78
Right Chelsea, and not only that . . FairWinds May 2017 #79
ask indigenous peoples about "Indian Killer Andrew Jackson"-indian removal act, trail of tears. . niyad May 2017 #80
Get this "Genocidal maniac" off of my $20 bill. oasis May 2017 #85
exactly. niyad May 2017 #119
Is it a statement about native Americans, slavery, or deal making? bucolic_frolic May 2017 #82
I hate to say this but I don't think he said Jackson WAS alive during the Civil War. pangaia May 2017 #83
"He [Andrew Jackson] was really angry bucolic_frolic May 2017 #88
Sorry. I thought 45 said IF he had been born.. Thanks... pangaia May 2017 #89
And well you might have been confused bucolic_frolic May 2017 #93
Trump might mean, "If Jackson had been in office in the 1861-65 cycle, war may have been averted." John1956PA May 2017 #90
You mean he wasn't alive then???? pangaia May 2017 #91
A reporter should ask dipshit what to do about the tensions of 2044. Thor_MN May 2017 #92
I think that Trump is a very sick man louis c May 2017 #96
FINALLY the question of "Why was there a Civll War?" has been asked!!! Kablooie May 2017 #97
Tweety is tearing him to bits malaise May 2017 #98
If Caligula had been alive... lefthandedskyhook May 2017 #99
Jackson was a great President, that's why they called him Mr. October... MrPurple May 2017 #101
This message was self-deleted by its author MrPurple May 2017 #102
I'd like to know what exactly he thought Flaleftist May 2017 #103
"Why is our children not learning?" Hekate May 2017 #104
It is pretty clear that he is suffering from demetia Tumbulu May 2017 #109
I like that commercial where Andy does that Moonwalk while selling WinkyDink May 2017 #110
"He was really angry when he saw what was happening with the Civil War" PaulRevere08 May 2017 #120

Cha

(297,154 posts)
107. Didn't he contradict himself? Saying..
Mon May 1, 2017, 11:48 PM
May 2017
"If Andrew Jackson had been a little later you wouldn't have had the Civil War.."

And, then he said.. ".. he was really angry what he saw in regard to the Civil War.. he said there's no reason for this..blah blah blah.."

Is it me.. or does he contradict himself? On top of exposing himself once again to be a Complete Idiot. Oh and this is who Van Jones thought was "a president" with "the Speech"

mcar

mcar

(42,302 posts)
116. Did you see his interview with Dickerson?
Tue May 2, 2017, 08:40 AM
May 2017

I can't come up with enough bad words to describe it or him.

Cha

(297,154 posts)
117. No, I just can't even stand to hear him talk when Colbert
Tue May 2, 2017, 08:57 AM
May 2017

has a clip of him.

It makes me too mad.

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
115. Yeah, the "later" indicates that he did know that Jackson came before the Civil War.
Tue May 2, 2017, 08:32 AM
May 2017

So when he says "he was really angry what he saw in regard to the Civil War" he could have essentially been saying "he was really angry what he saw in regard to the run-up to the Civil War". His speech is sloppy enough in general where you can reasonably see that. Also, an article in the NYTimes mentioned that he could have been referring to the the nullification crisis, which did happen under Jackson and was, in a sense, a prelude to the CW.

Really, I don't think there is an issue here that Trump actually thought Jackson was alive duing the CW. On the list of Trump mis-statements, this one is pretty low, and arguably passable.

The bigger issue may be that he seems to think the CW could have been avoided, without explaining how the South was going to be inclined to give up slavery without a war. As that NYT article says,

any president would have had to contend with the South’s attempt to expand the institution of slavery into territory newly acquired by the United States. It’s what Mr. Meacham called the unavoidable historical question.

“The expansion of slavery caused the Civil War,” he said. “And you can’t get around that. So what does Trump mean? Would he have let slavery exist but not expand? That’s the counterfactual question you have to ask.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/01/us/politics/trump-andrew-jackson-fact-check.html

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
12. The Civil War could have been avoided if everyone were more racist like Jackson!
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:09 AM
May 2017

Trump loves the Confederacy.

George II

(67,782 posts)
47. That's why many states' Democratic Parties have removed "Jackson" from the names...
Mon May 1, 2017, 11:13 AM
May 2017

...of their biggest annual fundraising events.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
105. If only... if only... if only Andrew Jackson had been able to get to Bowling Green on time
Mon May 1, 2017, 11:18 PM
May 2017

He could have prevented the horrible non-massacre.
I heard from reliable sources that his Harley Broke down just miles from the site
I'm sure you're aware that after his presidency (and lamentation of the Civil War) that Jackson had a very successful career as a motorcycle daredevil

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
111. Little Known Fact
Tue May 2, 2017, 02:25 AM
May 2017

It was originally 'The Andrew Jackson Factor'
O' Reilly took it over after Andrew's terrible cycle accident

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
3. Our history books...
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:58 AM
May 2017

are going to have to include a 'coloring book' section with no captioning to include this blithering blathering moron.

Initech

(100,063 posts)
8. Of course that's assuming we survive this administration.
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:05 AM
May 2017

And long enough to be able to write history books.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
42. Not necessarily...
Mon May 1, 2017, 11:05 AM
May 2017

...Jackson was a strong Union man, and John C Calhoun was his enemy. Jackson certainly took a strong stand against the South Carolina nullifiers in 1833, threatening to personally lead an invasion of the state. At the time of Fort Sumter, many Northerners regretted that Lincoln wasn't being "more like Jackson". It's impossible to know what he would have felt had he still been alive in 1861, but I doubt he would have sympathized with disunion.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
6. There was a Native American genocide and the Idiot-in-Chief has no clue about who did it.
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:01 AM
May 2017

Most Americans don't realize the Revolutionary War was fought against the Crown so the colonists could expand westward to fertile lands free for the killing of the inhabitants.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
7. I think it is remarkable Trump thought Andrew Jackson was alive during the Civil War.
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:03 AM
May 2017

He must have him confused with Andrew Johnson.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
9. He has dementia. That's why he is able to just blurt out bullshit without the capacity to filter.
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:05 AM
May 2017

And he is a complete narcissist who loves his own voice and won't question himself anyway. Horrible combination.

Tumbulu

(6,272 posts)
108. It is quite obvious to me that he has demetia
Tue May 2, 2017, 12:04 AM
May 2017

And I keep wondering why nobody talks about it.

But you have, so thanks!

Caliman73

(11,730 posts)
52. I doubt he knows who Andrew Johnson is.
Mon May 1, 2017, 11:24 AM
May 2017

He knows Andrew Jackson because he is on money, his portrait was up at the White House, and Jackson was the Donald Trump character of the 1800's.

He said, "Why couldn't that have been worked out". I would have asked, "How would you have settled the question of slavery?" He is a completely ignorant fool.

svpadgham

(670 posts)
113. I had considered that, and then read about Andrew Johnson.
Tue May 2, 2017, 08:26 AM
May 2017

Even if this was just a mistake in names, none of it really applies to Johnson. It's clear that Trump is just making shit up, knowing his base is just as clueless if not more so than he is.
Another thing I learned is that even though Republicans in the 1860's were on the right side of history, they still had a penchant for trying to impeach Democrats based on trumped up charges and unconstitutional legislation.

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
10. Stupid man. Clueless, willfully ignorant cautionary tale.
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:06 AM
May 2017

An Id without an ego who thinks the super ego is a title bestowed on the bigly.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
11. republican shallowness & ignorance shine through
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:06 AM
May 2017

republicans - and their Draft-Dodging commander, Comrade Casino - are now spewing more lies and misinformation.

deplorable

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
13. Well Jackson did die in the Bowling Green Massacre that started the Civil War!
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:10 AM
May 2017

Terrible thing, that. So many patriots died that day.....

Mountain Mule

(1,002 posts)
66. Some of my ancestors gave up their lives that day
Mon May 1, 2017, 11:51 AM
May 2017

So glad that DUMBf remembers Jackson and Bowling Green!

(good one!)

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
17. I'm not sure that quote means he thought Jackson was alive. It's unclear
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:16 AM
May 2017

What is clear is he is wrong about Jackson's opinion about the reasons for the war. He was very very much pro-union.
He said succession was treason.
He was also a slave holder. He would have been very conflicted.

The run up to the war was very evident while Jackson was alive.
Trump is still a fool and an idiot, no doubt.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,848 posts)
67. I sincerely doubt that we can describe
Mon May 1, 2017, 11:53 AM
May 2017

1845, a full 16 years before the start of the Civil War, as the period of the "run up to the war."

And Jackson was pro-union in his lifetime mainly in terms of strengthening the new country's hold on the rest of the continent. As a slave holder, I'm inclined to believe he would have supported the Confederacy.

And even if I'm totally wrong about what I've just posted, at least I'm fully aware of when Jackson died and when the Civil War was, and the fact that lots of people over the years did try to avert the war.

Trump's ignorance is actually scary.

Botany

(70,490 posts)
19. Andrew Jackson (March 15, 1767 June 8, 1845)
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:28 AM
May 2017

Fredrick Douglas, Rosa Parks, Harriet Tubman, & Lucian Pavarotti all are still alive and kicking

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
21. He even visited Andrew Jackson's home, The Hermitage, right before his
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:29 AM
May 2017

Nashville rally in March 2017, and laid a wreath on Jackson's grave. You'd think he might have noticed the date of death:

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
100. Why is he saluting?????!!!!
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:22 PM
May 2017

Mr. bone spurs is not military, at any point his pathetic life.
WTF is he saluting anything?????
civilian Presidents are not even supposed to salute the military people who stand at attention when they board/unboard Air Force One.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
94. That's assuming he knows the dates of the Civil War.
Mon May 1, 2017, 04:56 PM
May 2017

Missing that information, he might get a little confused.

As for what he needs to get up to speed on history, I was going to suggest a coloring book. But before that he needs to talk to the Scarecrow about where to get a brain.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
28. I should have added.
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:48 AM
May 2017

Walk through a cherokee indian reservation without security. He wouldn't make it out of there alive.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
29. Here is Andrew Jackson's advertisement for a runaway slave
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:48 AM
May 2017
“Stop the Runaway,” Andrew Jackson urged in an ad placed in the Tennessee Gazette in October 1804. The future president gave a detailed description: A “Mulatto Man Slave, about thirty years old, six feet and an inch high, stout made and active, talks sensible, stoops in his walk, and has a remarkable large foot, broad across the root of the toes — will pass for a free man …”

Jackson, who would become the country’s seventh commander in chief in 1829, promised anyone who captured this “Mulatto Man Slave” a reward of $50, plus “reasonable” expenses paid.

Jackson added a line that some historians find particularly cruel.

It offered “ten dollars extra, for every hundred lashes any person will give him, to the amount of three hundred.”

The ad was signed, “ANDREW JACKSON, Near Nashville, State of Tennessee.”

Jackson, whose face is on the $20 bill and who President Trump paid homage to in March, owned about 150 enslaved people at The Hermitage, his estate near Nashville, when he died in 1845, according to records.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/04/11/hunting-down-runaway-slaves-the-cruel-ads-of-andrew-jackson-and-the-master-class/

spiderpig

(10,419 posts)
35. Anybody see the opening of Morning Joe where Nancy Pelosi
Mon May 1, 2017, 10:28 AM
May 2017

was saying it's so difficult to work with the White House and President Bush?

She immediately corrected to "Trump" and added that she only wished she were dealing with Bush rather than Trump - something she thought she'd never say.

duncang

(1,907 posts)
36. I went to the Wharton School of Business, Donald Trump routinely brags at his campaign rallies.
Mon May 1, 2017, 10:28 AM
May 2017

“I’m, like, a really smart person.”

From the HuffingtonPost

"Is This Why Trump Won’t Release His College Transcripts?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-ostroy/hey-trump-show-us-the-wha_b_8949332.html

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
39. It is to be regretted that the rich and powerful too often bend the acts of government to their own
Mon May 1, 2017, 10:39 AM
May 2017
It is to be regretted that the rich and powerful too often bend the acts of government to their own selfish purposes. Andrew Jackson

bora13

(860 posts)
50. his "cute as a cookie" brain
Mon May 1, 2017, 11:18 AM
May 2017

told him that Andrew Jackson and "Stonewall" Jackson were one and the same.
sheeesh, even bannon could have told him that Thomas Jackson was the confederate general.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
51. The whole problem started around the time when Germany bombed Pearl Harbor
Mon May 1, 2017, 11:21 AM
May 2017

You heard me right, we've all got history wrong. We are the ones who've been brainwashed by our liberal school system. 45 and the Freedom Caucus have history right and their followers believe they're right too.

This is what we're up against.

‘Was It Over When The Germans Bombed Pearl Harbor?’ Freedom Caucus Asks - Huffington Post

Motley13

(3,867 posts)
53. Wharton might want to check out their history program
Mon May 1, 2017, 11:26 AM
May 2017

clearly putz failed.
What an imbecile.



SNL will have a great time with that one

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
56. Luciano Pavarotti sang at his funeral
Mon May 1, 2017, 11:29 AM
May 2017

after Jackson was killed in the Bowling Green massacre. Frederick Douglass didn't attend; he was in Sweden trying to quell the riots. He probably wouldn't have gone anyhow.

Docreed2003

(16,858 posts)
57. I'm not sure what's worse...Trump blatant ignorance about Jackson
Mon May 1, 2017, 11:29 AM
May 2017

Or the fact he doesn't know why the Civil War was fought. This guy is a freaking moron or demented or both.

GallopingGhost

(2,404 posts)
61. Well, if that's all it would have taken
Mon May 1, 2017, 11:35 AM
May 2017

to avoid that pesky Civil War...who knew?

Speak belligerently, and carry an Ol' Hickory stick.

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
62. I used to think he had mental issues, but now I think he's plain fucken illiterate and poorly
Mon May 1, 2017, 11:40 AM
May 2017

educated. He brags about his education, blah, blah, blah. I can't believe he even got out of grade school. And, if this is not true, then he has serious dementia and should be removed as president. ... but that would mean, UGH, Pence would take his place.

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
76. All of the above...
Mon May 1, 2017, 01:07 PM
May 2017

Much like Bush Jr, it is highly likely he got a "gentleman's C" to pass his college classes.

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
68. TBH, I couldn't have told you when Jackson died before I read this...
Mon May 1, 2017, 11:55 AM
May 2017

However, there is little doubt he would have been a traitorous Southerner if he had been alive in 1860.

He was, after all, a southern slave owner.

LeftInTX

(25,258 posts)
71. I knew he died in the 1840s because he died just when photography was catching on:
Mon May 1, 2017, 12:18 PM
May 2017


Trump should put this pic on his wall!!

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
75. Don't think so...
Mon May 1, 2017, 01:05 PM
May 2017

I think the "side" lenses are hinged, for reading. Early alternative to bifocals, perhaps, or maybe to overcome the effects of cataracts.

Retrograde

(10,133 posts)
72. Neither could I
Mon May 1, 2017, 12:19 PM
May 2017

and I'm a decent armchair historian when it comes to American history. However, in all the reading I've done about Lincoln and the Civil War Andrew Jackson never seems to come up as a big player, which would lead me to conclude that he wasn't around then or he'd have weighed in with his opinions, not being a shy, retiring type.

As for the causes of the Civil War - if one stacked the books, dissertations, magazines, and papers written about it they would likely dwarf Trump Tower. I understand he doesn't like to read, but there are several decent TV shows about it, including Burns'.

usedtobedemgurl

(1,137 posts)
78. Clinton (Chelsea) responded......
Mon May 1, 2017, 01:21 PM
May 2017

Not that this sort of buffoonery needs an answer, but... I'll let Chelsea Clinton provide one:

"1 word answer: Slavery. Longer: When Andrew Jackson died in 1845 (16 yrs before the Civil War began), he owned 150 men, women and children."

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
79. Right Chelsea, and not only that . .
Mon May 1, 2017, 01:31 PM
May 2017

but Tennessee was hardly a bastion of support for
the Confederacy, and supplied tens of thousands of
volunteers to the Union.

niyad

(113,259 posts)
80. ask indigenous peoples about "Indian Killer Andrew Jackson"-indian removal act, trail of tears. .
Mon May 1, 2017, 01:37 PM
May 2017

Portrait of Andrew Jackson, who earned the top spot on our list of worst U.S. presidents.

Portrait of Andrew Jackson, who earned the top spot on our list of worst U.S. presidents.
Indian-Killer Andrew Jackson Deserves Top Spot on List of Worst US Presidents
Andrew Jackson tops list of worst presidents for Natives
Gale Courey Toensing • February 20, 2017

Unlike the statement in Indian Country Media Network’s “Best Presidents for Indian country” story, it’s a bit easier identifying the “worst” presidents for Indian country. Five tend to stand out with the majority of the rest huddled together after that. Here are our nods to the presidents who did more harm than good for Native Americans while in office.

Andrew Jackson: A man nicknamed “Indian killer” and “Sharp Knife” surely deserves the top spot on a list of worst U.S. Presidents. Andrew Jackson “was a forceful proponent of Indian removal,” according to PBS. Others have a less genteel way of describing the seventh president of the United States.

“Andrew Jackson was a wealthy slave owner and infamous Indian killer, gaining the nickname ‘Sharp Knife’ from the Cherokee,” writes Amargi on the website Unsettling America: Decolonization in Theory & Practice. “He was also the founder of the Democratic Party, demonstrating that genocide against indigenous people is a nonpartisan issue. His first effort at Indian fighting was waging a war against the Creeks. President Jefferson had appointed him to appropriate Creek and Cherokee lands. In his brutal military campaigns against Indians, Andrew Jackson recommended that troops systematically kill Indian women and children after massacres in order to complete the extermination. The Creeks lost 23 million acres of land in southern Georgia and central Alabama, paving the way for cotton plantation slavery. His frontier warfare and subsequent ‘negotiations’ opened up much of the southeast U.S. to settler colonialism.”

Andrew Jackson was not only a genocidal maniac against the Indigenous Peoples of the southwest, he was also racist against African peoples and a scofflaw who “violated nearly every standard of justice,” according to historian Bertram Wyatt-Brown. As a major general in 1818, Andrew Jackson invaded Spanish Florida chasing fugitive slaves who had escaped with the intent of returning them to their “owners,” and sparked the First Seminole War. During the conflict, Jackson captured two British men, Alexander George Arbuthnot and Robert C. Ambrister, who were living among the Seminoles. The Seminoles had resisted Jackson’s invasion of their land. One of the men had written about his support for the Seminoles’ land and treaty rights in letters found on a boat. Andrew Jackson used the “evidence” to accuse the men of “inciting” the Seminoles to “savage warfare” against the U.S. He convened a “special court martial” tribunal then had the men executed. “His actions were a study in flagrant disobedience, gross inequality and premeditated ruthlessness… he swept through Florida, crushed the Indians, executed Arbuthnot and Ambrister, and violated nearly every standard of justice,” Wyatt-Brown wrote.

https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/history/people/indian-killer-andrew-jackson-deserves-top-spot-on-list-of-worst-us-presidents/

bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
82. Is it a statement about native Americans, slavery, or deal making?
Mon May 1, 2017, 01:46 PM
May 2017

Fort Sumter would have been conquered by television news, if they'd just
turned the damn set on!

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
83. I hate to say this but I don't think he said Jackson WAS alive during the Civil War.
Mon May 1, 2017, 02:25 PM
May 2017

But rather IF he had been alive then..
Of course then it gets just bonkers..
Please correct me if I am wrong.




bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
88. "He [Andrew Jackson] was really angry
Mon May 1, 2017, 04:35 PM
May 2017

that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War,
he said, "There's no reason for this.""

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Andrew Jackson did not see the Civil War.

There's always this blending of time periods with 45. This
is called confabulation, a term I became familiar with working
with dementia patients. They mix and blend time periods.

It could be Andrew Jackson's anger that attracts 45 to the current
idea. Last time he talked with him.

_______________________________________________

"In psychiatry, confabulation (verb: confabulate) is a disturbance of memory, defined as the production of fabricated, distorted, or misinterpreted memories about oneself or the world, without the conscious intention to deceive.[1] Individuals who confabulate present incorrect memories ranging from "subtle alterations to bizarre fabrications",[2] and are generally very confident about their recollections, despite contradictory evidence.[3]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confabulation

bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
93. And well you might have been confused
Mon May 1, 2017, 04:50 PM
May 2017

because in the first sentence he did say "had Andrew Jackson been
a little later ...."

So there is this dreamy, amorphous reality that sorta sounds right,
but isn't logically correct. It confuses the listener, who is none-the-less
drawn into the narcissistic dialogue. It's conniving, manipulating emotions,
and 45 is very good at it.

I really think these subtle illogical inconsistencies are mesmerizing to
some people, it's like worshipping an all powerful Daddy. It makes them
childlike and more susceptible to manipulation.

John1956PA

(2,654 posts)
90. Trump might mean, "If Jackson had been in office in the 1861-65 cycle, war may have been averted."
Mon May 1, 2017, 04:43 PM
May 2017

It is reasonable to concluded that Trump thinks that Jackson was still alive in the 1860s.

Kablooie

(18,626 posts)
97. FINALLY the question of "Why was there a Civll War?" has been asked!!!
Mon May 1, 2017, 07:58 PM
May 2017

We put it to you, the historians, to work hard and come up with an answer to that one!

We know it's hard to do, I mean it was more than many years ago, but there must have been some reason for the Civil War so we charge you to ferret it out so we all will know!

I suggest you ask my 7th grade teacher, Mrs. Sternberg, to start.
She might be able to send you in the right direction.

lefthandedskyhook

(964 posts)
99. If Caligula had been alive...
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:18 PM
May 2017

we could have avoided the loss of so, so much that conservatives, slaveholders, and megalomaniacs hold dear

Response to MrPurple (Reply #101)

Tumbulu

(6,272 posts)
109. It is pretty clear that he is suffering from demetia
Tue May 2, 2017, 12:10 AM
May 2017

and I imagine that this is why his children are all around him and taking things on. I have discussed this with other people over 60 that I know, and they agree.

I think the republicans will keep in in office until his second Supreme Court justice gets sworn in, and then he will be retired/impeached/ whatever.

Just my prediction.....for whatever it is worth.

PaulRevere08

(449 posts)
120. "He was really angry when he saw what was happening with the Civil War"
Wed May 3, 2017, 09:21 AM
May 2017

No doubt 45 was saying that Jackson was around when the war began. Unless he was looking up from hell in between whipping slaves and murdering Native Americans.

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