Wow...Morning Joe is 'Going there' discussing Donald's mental health.

[PearliePoo2]

Mika, "I'm not sure he's OK. He's not OK."
Joe, "It's worse than it's ever been"
Joe, "It's beyond bizarre, there's no one capable of stopping him, confused mental state, things are not well in the White House."



Coming up next they are going to show clips of him a few years ago when he was "lucid" and compare that to now.

The entire panel is scared...really scared.

[J_William_Ryan]

1. ...along with the rest of the Nation.

[womanofthehills]

57. and Twitter

[L. Coyote]

72. the whole world .... Here's the video this Morning Joe

[irisblue]

102. Thanks for posting that clip, amazing that trump suck ups are aware.

[mfcorey1]

2. I was shocked at the level of mental deterioration he pointed out. It is

something DUer's have pointed out daily, but to hear the retags now having major concerns about his mental stability is a little too late. He has already done major damage to the country. Jon Meecham constantly still makes excuses for Drumpf.

[politicaljunkie41910]

66. Will this be the defense after he's indicted that keeps him from being convicted or out of jail?

Joe talked about his his own mother's mental incapacity from dementia and Trump sounding like something she would say. But Trump has no problem when he's at the rally's or when he's out on the golf course, or when he uses the prompter when he's speaking in front of some conservative group.

We've all known he was crazy when he began this trek for the White House. However, when it comes to his money and his personal business, he has no problem. I think that he's concerned about that grand jury, and knows it's just a matter of time, and what better excuse for evading an indictment, than ratcheting up the crazy excuse to avoid a conviction.

[Warpy]

104. Probably. My bet is still on resignation

Some night he'll be sitting in his room, Twitting away in the wee hours, and some very nice men will come in and quietly lead him to a waiting limo, to be whisked off to an undisclosed location where he'll have conversations with nice men in white coats. The official announcement will be that he's had a catastrophic health problem and has stepped down.

They are already eliminating his most rabid loyalists, isolating him. I think once Bannon goes, so will he.

Honestly, he's so totally bonkers that I don't care how he goes, as long as he's gone. It's either my scenario or leaving him in place long enough to screw up irreparably, risking things like a military coup because he's become a danger to US security.

[Tumbulu]

116. In all these years I have been on DU I have admired your insights

And this is another time that you got it absolutely spot on. Thanks Warpy!

[Warpy]

117. Don't forget, I can also be spectacularly wrong

Having him quietly whisked away to a rich man's mink lined funny farm is the best case scenario.

[Lyricalinklines]

119. I agree. I think the Republicans actually were preparing this from early after his election and..

...working with him through the transition. Not to mention their own agenda for having "one of their own" as president. I think many of them simply put up with him so they can say they've the pResidency.

[colorado_ufo]

110. Agree.

I posted about that possibility some weeks ago!

[Sancho]

3. So is CNN....

...don't you think the next press conference is going to be interesting...

[PearliePoo2]

4. "Such a difference in clarity" (from years ago)

"Something is impacting his thought process...WHAT is it?"

Mika, "Mattis and others need to tell him, we're going to approve everything you say from now on or we're out of here."
Joe, "The pace is quickening and becoming worse by the day".

[forgotmylogin]

84. Too bad they were too far up his ass before the election to research this.

The best thing 45 could do for himself and the country would be to declare he has a health issue and step down. Yes, we'd have to deal with Pence, but looks like he's already taken some wing damage and is headed down fast too.

[coco22]

100. Every time

Someone brings up his incompetence Scar says But,but,but Mattis and McMaster and to that I say so...

[Buns_of_Fire]

5. Joe S. just now: "...and the pace is quickening."

They need Hank Hill (late of King of the Hill) on there to sum it up: "The boy ain't right."

[flygal]

6. and how is this any different from him during the campaign??

seriously - why did they think so many people were freaked out about him?!

[BeyondGeography]

26. Exactly...the difference now is the reality of the job and the accompanying stress

He's a weak-minded fraud who's being exposed.

[RobinA]

39. Yeah, He's Way Overwhelmed

At least during the campaign he had some control over his day. Now, not so much. His deterioration is related to his ability to control his circumstances. In the past it seems he has pretty much stuck to familiar territory and could function within in. Now he's bombarded every day with new stuff, has had to move, and can't rely on autopilot in uncharted (by him) waters, and he can't handle all the incoming. That's why he goes to familiar Mar a Lago every chance he gets. All circuits on overload. I imagine it's hard on anyone, but he has fewer cognitive resources, refuses help, has NEVER really had to adjust to anything outside his lifelong bubble, and creates additional problems for himself.

[PearliePoo2]

48. Yes, what you said. All of it.

"all circuits on overload" "can't handle all the incoming".

POTUS is a Narcissist with Dementia...great, just great. What could go wrong...

[duncang]

53. No way is he overloaded

Remember he said he had so much stamina. And you have to believe someone who never lies.

[thesquanderer]

105. He's a slave to a job he didn't want in the first place.

Heck, he didn't even know what the job entailed.

And now he's basically stuck there for 4 years. About the only job in the country that you can't reasonably just walk away from. He's the most powerful man in the country, but in a sense, he's in prison.

[LuckyLib]

113. You nailed it. He's in a whirlwind of stress and information that he can't

handle. He needs to be removed before the he shit really hits the fan.

[Sculpin Beauregard]

106. YES!!!! This is him, stressed out because he knows what's coming.

I'm sick of people saying he has dementia. He's a fucking ignoramus.

THIS IS WHO HE IS!!! He's the same guy he was on the campaign trail, only now he's under incessant scrutiny and criminal investigation. And a lot of stress. Putin owns him.

[Chemisse]

29. It was like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

The question is, why did so many people NOT see it?

[tanyev]

38. It is difficult to get a man to notice something, when his salary depends upon his not noticing it.

(paraphrased)

[KingCharlemagne]

73. I posted a long thread (archived in my journal) about this very matter after

the election but before the inauguration and was roundly excoriated for stigmatizing the legitimately mentally ill. At that point, I felt like a male Cassandra and decided to STFU and let others reach the same conclusion on their own.

Funny how no one is saying now that we need to avoid stigmatizing the mentally ill.

[loyalsister]

77. I'll say it

A transferance of ableist bigotry is exploitive and devalues people. It's a strategy that some RWers tried to use to smear Obama. It shows ignorance about the nature of mental illness and the degree of stigma people suffer through, even among psychiatrists.

[KingCharlemagne]

79. Hunh? Not getting your point. Are you saying I engaged in bigotry by

discussing what seemed to me to be obvious signs of Trump's mental illness back in Nov.?

[loyalsister]

80. I'm saying it's ableism

to use the widespread demonization of people with mental illness as a template to discredit him or anyone else, for that matter.

[KingCharlemagne]

81. You'll say this to me, but not to the OP of this thread? I'm not sure I understand

your reticence in that regard, or why your high moral dudgeon admits such qualifications.

[loyalsister]

82. I personally know a significant number of people who live with various disabilities

including mental illness. I addressed you because you derided the suggestion that exploiting stigma is damaging to people with mental illness.

[KingCharlemagne]

86. I did no such thing and did nothing more or less than the OP of this thread. Your

silence in that regard is indicative of something, but I'm not sure what.

[treestar]

89. severe physical illness

would incapacitate a person for the presidency too. I doubt it is ableism to say a mentally ill person isn't up to the Presidency or a lot of jobs. Depending on the severity and what it is. Mild depression might not get in the way of doing a job. But the illnesses involving breaks with reality would.

[loyalsister]

91. It's ableism when there is an agenda behind it

Exploiting ableism is in itself ableist just as exploiting racism or misogyny amounts to participation.

[HarmonyRockets]

107. What's the agenda?

Not wanting a mentally ill president?

[mr_lebowski]

118. It's one thing to outright deride the mentally unfit just trying to get through life as best they

can. That is totally uncool.

It's another to look at the President of the USA, a person upon which the lives of millions are at the mercy of the whims of, and observe that said person appears totally unfit mentally to perform their duties.

Two different paradigms, IMHO.

Esp. when this person practically BEGGED to be given this responsibility and went about tricking millions of people to achieve that goal.

[treestar]

121. No worse than not supporting someone so

physically ill they could not do the job. If it was severe enough, it would be impossible to concentrate. JFK and FDR weren't in perfect physical shape and managed it, but some illnesses would be too debilitating. Likewise, someone with depression that was mild enough and treated might be able to serve. Mental illness severe enough to cause a break with reality would also make it impossible to concentrate.

I agree it can hardly be ableism.

[Alice11111]

111. He has gotten much worse. That's one reason he wants to

Go back and do the familiar things he knows how to do. That's how dementia works, short term memory shorts out. (I have a good friend who is a retired, well respected anesthesiologist, MD. I was talking to him on the phone and trying to help him with some very basic things, he had called me about, like third grade level. Then, we started talking about a mutual friend's medical problems of a year or two ago, and he was a high functioning doctor, using appropriate language and thinking ahead, making connections. I have a similar story about another doctor friend who had a serious ski accident and split open his head. He continued to do surgery after that, and even won some awards. However, he would have an absolute panic attack if something came up he had not encountered before. He could not learn new things well, even though he was still competent at complex surgeries he had done for twenty years. )
DT was never a brain surgeon, but he was functional, ethics aside. He is not up to learning and dealing with new complex stuff, and it has gotten much worse recently. Unfortunately, he does not get people around him who are extremely competent. I do think in that way Jared and Ivanka have taken Bannon down and elevated the generals. It could come down to Ivanka, Jared and the generals stopping him from implementing the codes. As ludicrous as that sounds, this whole thing is a ludicrous nightmare.

[spooky3]

7. And 85% of republican voters are still seeing him and saying

he's doing a great job.

[tclambert]

46. I think their trick is to not see him.

A lot of their politics is imaginary stuff anyway. They imagine the deficit went way up under Obama and won't check the actual numbers. They imagine the Department of Defense is way underfunded and weakened because of it, yet we spend more than the next 12 nations combined and the waste is legendary. Nope, gotta give tens of billions more to the MIC.

Trump says stupid, incoherent things? Don't listen to him and imagine everything is all right. If you believe hard enough, Tinkerbell will live.

[spooky3]

47. Good points n/t

[CentralMass]

52. The deficit (and debt) did "go way up" under him.

https://www.thebalance.com/deficit-by-president-what-budget-deficits-hide-3306151

[Plucketeer]

58. Those folks are necessarily "stupid", but...

the ARE ignorant. As a for instance - take those late show "Gotcha!" , man-on-the-street interviews. There's LOTS of folks out there that have a hard time dealing with everyday life and the personal hurdles that they have to deal with. Their "knowledge" of government is that the president tells everyone what to do and that's that. When you vote or support or talk up for a president - that's all you need to know. It's THAT simple.
These folks didn't care about civics in public schools (I know I didn't!) and can go through life as happy as a clam without knowing so much as the vice president's name (I know, I did - for decades!) Since stupid prefers stupid ( I mean, who wants to hang out with folks who make you look stupid?), these individuals are gonna get their voting advice from their friends.
And when they turn to FOX to reinforce their doltishness....... Throw some nukes around? Sure! That's what I'D do!

Back to those street interviews.... how many folks with a camera and a mic in their face are gonna say straight out: "Fuck man - I don't know!" And yet they're allowed to vote - these wantonly ignorant fellow citizens of ours.

[UTUSN]

8. Yes, but Joe Scabs is behaving just as deranged as DRUMPF - and the panel is scared of Scabs!1

Scabs speaking haltingly and strugglingly, interrupting, repeating. The panel frozen under the implied threat not to speak until their names are uttered by Scabs, but then shut down if they try to extrapolate the topic. HALPERIN is a prick toady for the Repukes but he started to talk about N. Korea as opposed to "diagnosing from afar" and Scabs slammed him down to get him to repeat after him.

We can agree about DRUMPF, but Scabs' own martinet behavior is pot-kettle. When he calls out each name to repeat after him, the panel member freezes and the rest of them go "Whew!1" in momentary relief.

[brush]

11. Maybe, but Joe S. is not the president. Joe Scar is just an overbearing talk show host.

trump is not all there mentally and is scaring the shit out of the rest of the world, especially South Korea and Japan, with his continually, slipping grasp on reality.

[dalton99a]

20. Yep.

[Ligyron]

34. " Joe Scabs is behaving just as deranged as DRUMPF..."

That is exactly what I was thinking while listening to him.

Maybe he's just a bit flustered trying to come up with the right words, wondering if he really wanted to bring up the subject or perhaps he just didn't drink enough of his Starbucks yet.

Mika, haltingly going there with the metal health thing. Was it Halperin who said Trump sounded like his dad with dementia some ten years ago?

Thank Zeus the GOP and his cabinet can't get him to shut up. The more he opens his mouth the sooner we are rid of them and this is great material for '18 and '20 elections.

[UTUSN]

59. Thank you. About the 10yrs/dementia, it was Scabs talking about his mother.

And to the responses who don't agree about Scabs, it's not that I disagree with the subject matter of DRUMPF's mental instability, I'm glad that it is getting undeniable out in the open, but my comments about Scabs regard his being a bad messenger for the subject. When there's a bad messenger, it diminishes the message. And I really think the panel was looking scared, not because of Scabs, but because of Scabs.

[Ligyron]

68. Scabs is a bully.

Always tries to get others in the panel and guests to "amen" whatever he's talking about.

Did you see when he went off on Meeka about a month ago? Just teed off on her and the others were cringing but she shook it off like meh, no big deal. Like that sort of thing happens all the time.

Which it probably did - off camera.

I can totally see Joe dressed in leather as the dungeon master and Meeka all tied up with a ball gag in her mouth as Joe berates her and applies the whip.

[UTUSN]

74. Yip, ever since they went on the air it has been a horrid demonstration of his abuse of her

The case example of an (at least) emotional/verbal abuse, which if in the home would escalate to physical. And she behaved as the enabling victim. Now that they have both divorced and are rumored to be an item, if not already married, it's like she has progressed on to Stockholm Syndrome. I saw the clips of his outburst two weeks ago, then came their "vacation" which I suspect was either an intervention/couples or a runaway marriage and honeymoon. I stopped watching in Campaign 2012, and just started up in a small way in this horrible 2016.

[yallerdawg]

45. Joe and Mika advice to Trump? "Shut up."

These two gave Trump cover and credibility in 2016.

At some point, Trump must have crossed a line in offending them - remember when they crashed the Mar-a-Lago party and were outed as Trump sycophants - and now they have made a 180 degree turnabout?

Trump is a typical Republican, misinformed with multiple false belief systems and ideas ("birtherism&quot - and a complete disassociation from the universe of facts - but Joe and Mika are as manipulative and disingenuous as anyone on television. They have no cover and credibility.

[UTUSN]

60. Yip, they're "here" today, but after DRUMPF's TelePrompter speech last mo they raved how good he was

[coco22]

101. That irritates me every time ..

he gives his little rant and then pick and chooses who he wants to answer. Everyone at the table seems scared of him except Heilman he listens to the rant and then speaks on what everyone is thinking but afraid to say.. He uses Harold Ford for his yes man especially when it comes to Democrats or AA's..

[PearliePoo2]

9. Mika, "We have a big problem".

"He doesn't even KNOW what's in the health bill".

[brush]

10. I watched that and was amazed but pleased that they are raising the issue that he's not all there...

mentally — what with the confusion on Andrew Jackson and trump saying that he would be honored to meet with Kim Jong Un.

During the commericial I switched over to CNN and the panel there, David Gregory and some others, were going on that this was a strategy to give Un some international stature so he would maybe tone down his belligerence since China does not appear to be helping with the dictator.

One woman, I didn't get her name, even said that there was a seven second delay before trump said, "I would be honored to meet with him" which showed that he was totally in command of his faculties as he paused to think of how to phrase his words.

It was totally different direction than where the "Morning Joe" panel went and I must say, quite disappointing in its stupidly obvious attempt to normalize trump's questionable behavior. I must say though that Chris Cuomo tried to get the other guests to see that there was some disorientation going on with trump, but they continued with the "oh, it's a strategy" foolishness.

[PearliePoo2]

12. I agree with you, that it's good they're raising the issue.

They're putting it right out there. They're not saying out loud (yet) that it's time for the guys in white coats to come get him, but you know they're thinking it.
And yes, that people are trying to "normalize" him is scary as hell. This is NOT normal.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

13. Some one from the Trump team must be watching...

they had a Trump commercial touting his accomplishments.

The first hour seemed like a family sitting around talking about what to do with grandpa.

[PearliePoo2]

27. Even though he denies it, Dump watches this show EVERY morning. (and they know it.)

That's why Mika and Joe will look right into the camera knowing they're talking directly to him.
He has had TV sets placed everywhere in the White House so when he's wandering around early in the morning, he doesn't miss a minute of the media talking about him.

[nocalflea]

14. There's a reason Ivanka went to DC ,other than money , loyalty , daddy needs a babysitter.

Interesting twitter exchange courtesy of Claude Taylor on this subject:

https://mobile.twitter.com/bjimd/status/859095850705969152?p=v

brenda ji, M.D.
@ bjimd
"Glaring example of disorganized thinking + confabulation, Accelerating lack of awareness: truly he's learned citing history is fact checked?"

AntiNarcopathyPharmD
@ narceducator
"Cognitively intact narcissists are usually worried about looking or sounding ignorant or stupid. He doesn't seem to care?!"

Andrea R MD
@ AndreaR96631665
"Imho it smacks of both confabulation and NPD, if he is wrong he can blame it on the "people" "

[OnDoutside]

15. Joe just used the Dementia word !

[PA Democrat]

19. I think Trump has ALWAYS shown signs of some sort of mental illness.

Of course it is possible that his profound narcissism is compounded by dementia, but it is not dementia alone. Has Joe S just NOW noticed Trump's bizarre behavior? Trump's refusal to stop his birtherism campaign against Obama was not a sign that something was not right with Trump?

[OnDoutside]

32. Joe will change again tomorrow. He's a weasel.

[Ligyron]

37. nailed it.

[Volaris]

51. They're CYA and thats IT.

THEY got this asshat through the Primaries, THEY know how morally culpable they are, and they KNOW what will happen to their precious, Precious, republican majorities if Trump can't control himself. Don't kid yourself, they couldn't care less how mentally unstable a Republican President is, as long as he isn't endangering the rest of the Party. It's all Joey gives a shit about.

Mika, maybe some actual concern there, but not enough to NOT go to the next shindig in FL or NOT take the next interview when Orangey calls her to offer.

[OnDoutside]

65. Or is it the start of giving cover to the Republicans for their impeachment of him ?

[Volaris]

67. The back benches maybe can get away with that,

But the Leadership (IMHO) knew exactly what was happening and would go down with him when peeps start offering bigger fish in testimony. The Leadership CANNOT vote to impeach. They have to try and keep control and ride this out through the 18 cycle at least. Only other way is for someone to find PROOF of Treason and FORCE the dems and gop lowlevelers to vote on removal...otherwise, we have to wait to see if we get control and do it ourselves.

They can try to find all the cover they want. Ryan and McConnell (at least) can't use it, because if they ARE complicit, it WILL come out.

[OnDoutside]

78. They'll certainly try to do so. As for Trump, if he has "dementia" he can get out of standing trial

for treason.

[RKP5637]

16. There is something definitely going on with Trump. It's becoming clearer every day.

... especially when they were talking about thinking in the moment, lack of recall. I really think Trump has difficulty recalling what he's said before about topics.

[Vinca]

17. This discussion is long overdue. I suspect we can thank Andrew Jackson and his

Civil War escapades while dead.

[jeanmarc]

18. It's dementia, and even Joe S says so

His education level is poor. He has no values, he's a nihilist and every day there is a different change in policy. All these millionaires and billionaires should just quit as part of his staff. Time to go to the beach, and let this guy get impeached. We really have a mad and crazy President. He is a fucking moron. Deal maker? Bullshit. It's never reached this sort of low.

[Ilsa]

21. They used the N word --- NARCISSISM!

When discussing his question, 'Why hasn't anyone asked the question, 'why did we have a civil war,'' and something could have been done to prevent it, Doris Kearns Goodwin and the panel said it was a reflection of his narcissism.

Joe and Mika then commented that they've known him a long time and they said he's changed, compared him to Joe's mother who has dementia. Said people who have dementia live in the moment because they are not able to remember what they said before.

Said he might be feeling overwhelmed. Misses his home, unable to adapt to new place after spending forty years living and working in Trump Tower.

[Ilsa]

22. He can't get anything done because he doesn't have any

Underlying principals to guide his policies. That's why there is no real agenda, just desire to sign bills publicly, claim victory.

[PearliePoo2]

25. Good posts you've made!

And excellent recalling of their conversation!

[Cha]

69. And, hurt as many people as possible in the process.

[delisen]

23. and Trump's gastroenterologist will sign the papers for his

Insanity Defense ?

[Kablooie]

24. Why is his opinion so groundbreaking?

I don't get why his show is so important.

[samnsara]

28. i have always noticed....

...the differences in his demeanor and actual intelligence if you compare the early years to today. Somethings wrong with him. Hes still a perv tho.

[PearliePoo2]

30. Holy shit, pigs are flying. Scar just asked Connecticut Rep. Hines (a DEMOCRAT!) to run for Governor

Says new leadership is needed in the State. Then addressed him as Governor Hines, says it sounds good, real good!

[cannabis_flower]

31. Here's a link

[MelissaB]

42. Thanks so much for posting that.

I missed it this morning.

[hlthe2b]

71. Damn that segment cuts off before the today show comparison of Trump..

Does anyone have that clip? (I couldn't find on MSNBC or YouTube)

[cannabis_flower]

75. Yeah

I noticed that but it was the only one there from today.

[ginnyinWI]

87. here's a Larry King interview from 1987

He's around 40 years old. He uses the same kinds of words, but has the ability to listen and talk coherently.

[hlthe2b]

88. thanks, Ginny... I do remember him as a (more) articulate younger man

What time frame (Trump age) was the today show interview? Can anyone comment on that?

[Sculpin Beauregard]

108. He sounds the same to me, and he's even still

humping the same tired talking points of 'making countries pay for defending them'

He sounds the same as on the campaign trail.

Stress and a narcissistic personality — NOT dementia!

[ginnyinWI]

83. I went to the website and saw the whole 19 minutes.

It's really something to pay attention to. They were saying he's gotten a lot worse in the last week. How long before he walks into the press room in his underwear? Or something else as undeniable, to show how far gone he is?

[ladjf]

33. This is a constructive post.

We need to build on this.

[Achilleaze]

35. d'oh

republican propagandists are so frikken slow on the uptake...

[Ilsa]

36. First hour re-running on start of last hour...

Comparing dt's question about the civil war to a question a child would ask.

Mika said no one in the WH can get him to stop talking, stop tweeting.

[spanone]

40. mark halperin haz a sad, trying hard to defend the trump

[TNNurse]

41. OMG, we turned over to watch

and they are continuing. Who knows what Joe will say tomorrow, but the recording of this will be available.

[exboyfil]

43. Anybody getting a Witness for the Prosecution feel

They articulate their concern, and he comes on a later show show with canned responses to their questions (all rehearsed in advance). I would put nothing past these people.

I think Trump is still able to stay on script if his life depends on it. This would be the same pattern that he followed when Flynn would ask him foreign policy and defense questions, and he would respond back with prepared statements.

[PearliePoo2]

44. Mika, "He's going to be talking to Putin, what's he going to say??"

Joe, "Whatever it is , he'll SAY it!"
Mika, "I know, I'm worried, really worried what he will say. This isn't funny, I can't laugh about it."

[classykaren]

49. This means that something is going to be done. Hallelujah

[Scarsdale]

50. I doubt it.

The gop covered up Reagan's Alzheimers, when it was to their advantage. They will cover for Agent Orange, also. If he were a democratic president, the gop would have had him impeached by now, demanded tax returns, medical exams the whole nine yards. Since he is one of their own, they cheer him on. tRump was confined to a mental facility in the 90's, yet that is never mentioned. The entire world sees that there is a serious problem with him, yet everyone who can do anything about it, completely ignores the elephant in the room.

[spiderpig]

92. Confined to a mental facility in the 90s?

Enquiring minds want to know.

[totodeinhere]

112. Be careful what you wish for. Pence is a far right wing ideologue and would in many ways be worse

than Trump.

[Satch59]

54. Is this all the beginning of the dementia excuse when indictments start coming coming out?

I don't care how he leaves, just want him out, but if he's a criminal or has committed treason, he needs to face the consequences...

[BSdetect]

63. Good point, he knows all the legal evasive ploys.

He will try to get a deal to retain all the security and kudos of being POTUS.

I say bring back tar and feathering.

[world wide wally]

55. The only way this could be more obvious is if he wore a beanie with a propeller on top

Great investigative journalism here in America.
Next thing they'll be saying is that Trump is Caucasian. And this is just the media. What state of mind are his supporters in?

[Gothmog]

56. Even a broken clock is right twice a day

[genxlib]

61. I won't disagree

However, I think we are underestimating the contribution that bullshit plays in this.

Trump is a classic bullshitter. He speaks a lot and says very little. He tries to leave the impression of knowledge, intelligence and authority when he has no real substance.

It has been successful while he has been in control of the message and the audience. ie campaigning.

All that changed with the election. He is no longer completely in control of the message or the audience. He is being challenged about what he says and asked questions. People want proof when he makes outrageous claims. The larger electorate now is the audience and we aren't buying the BS

While he may be losing his marbles, I think a lot of what we are seeing is the simple exposure of a bullshitter who has stepped out of his depth.

[Marie Marie]

97. This

[Mountain Mule]

98. I think you have a good point!

His BS is getting exposed. And now he's a bull shitter with dementia coming on. Lovely.

[coco22]

103. I think a little of both..

[Skittles]

115. how fucking STUPID are the people who fall for his bullshit?

[lindysalsagal]

62. Imho, the GOP is happy with their fall guy effing everything up. They hate fRump but will

Ride out however much of his leverage they can.

They'll deregulate and unfund as much as they can while they can, and turn around and crucify the monkey when they see no further benefit for themselves.

I think he won the white house for the same reason Francis won the papacy: the system is so failed, corrupt and dysfunctional, no one wanted to attach their name to it. If all you get is a regurgitating cesspool, let someone else get in and waste their time, while you work the system for yourself. This leadership vacuum allows for significant chaos, allowing for lots of pilfering that goes unnoticed in the malestrom.

[leftyladyfrommo]

70. I don't think they are so happy with him any more.

He is getting too far out there and it is getting really embarrassing for them. They all look horrible.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

64. Until he tickles their belly again. nt

[librechik]

76. Those fuckers SHOULD be scared

Their loud hatred and contempt of Hillary and the rest of us made it possible.

[jalan48]

85. Is it possible he is being medicated to deal with the stress of the Presidency?

Some anxiety medications like Clonazepam can effect reasoning and memory if taken in too large of a dose.

[WePurrsevere]

94. Possible, meds & other factors can bring on similar symptoms but...

Alz also runs in his family.

His behavior is coming across more as some sort of dementia IME. One of the things is his need to hold a hand or something as he goes down stairs or on certain surfaces. That's classic Alz.

I tend to think he has more than one thing playing into his odd behavior. He's always been a pompous narcissistic jerk but the more I see, the more I think some sort of dementia is playing into it as well making the combination scary weird.

I remember him being on Regis Philbin's show a few times in the 80s/90s pimping 'his' book and he came across more articulate than he does now.

[oasis]

90. The Flynn/Russia thing has lodged itself in the back of Trump's mind.

He knows they've got the goods on him, and time is running out.

[niyad]

93. hey, dead intern joe, had you and your compatriots DONE YOUR DAMNED JOBS from

the day he announced his ridiculous candidacy, instead of fawning over him, giving him billions worth of free coverage, we wouldn't be in this mess.

apologize before every statement you now make about him. you are COMPLICIT!

[Honeycombe8]

95. I saw that. As I've said before, he's fair though on the other side. nt

[randr]

96. Next best thing to seeing the lsos doing the perp walk in shackles

A lsos in a straight jacket.

[coco22]

99. This was obvious during the campaign and..

Mika and Joe are full of shit,they can't cover for him any more.

[bucolic_frolic]

109. Donny is under increasing stress

from the investigations and coverups, from things suddenly for the first time
in his life not working out perfectly the way he wants. He is breaking down
from work overload, even from fear ...

I think he better plan on less than the 8 years he keeps telling us about.

[L. Coyote]

114. Olbermann: Trump is Panicking About Russia

[mr_lebowski]

120. The GOP is starting to lay the groundwork for twenty-fifth amendment remedies ...

Mark my words ... Trump's cult of personality is not big enough (and will only shrink over time if he keeps this up) to win elections on it's own in very many districts ... and yet the only way they reckon they can take him out without compromising that base (which they still need, desperately) is to get him to step down from office on some kind of 'medical' grounds.

They don't wanna do it via 'scandal' or Dog Forbid ... admitting his/their policies are wildly unpopular. They also desperately want TrumpRussia buried.

Something like the 25th Amendment remedy is the only way around this set of problems ... and they probably KNOW Drumpf will 'go quietly' in the end because he REALLY 'doesn't wanna be there' anyways. He may be an idiot but he's not too crazy or dumb to realize he's in way over his head, esp. at his age. He's NOT having fun. But he knows he COULD be ... elsewhere.

Behind closed doors they'll eventually tell him he's going to quit over 'health reasons', or else ... and it's gonna be pretty soon.