fuck any asshole who badmouthed and maligned hillary clinton and helped us get this shit show.

[boston bean]

fucking chump care!!!!!!

Really????

Fuck you Sarandon. Fuck anyone who fuckin helped the shit show whether they meant to or not. TYT, Eddie Schulz, Jimmy Dore.. that cray cray miss progressive

Damn for fucking gawd sakes. I sick of tip toeing around for fear of "alienating a voter"...

fuck that shit!

They have fucking alienated me!!!!!!!

[Squinch]

1. kick!

[SharonAnn]

15. Amen!

[trueblue2007]

38. ME TOO ORIGINAL POSTER. i agree with you 10000%

and this goes for the one who shall be nameless. "Fuck anyone who fuckin helped the shit show whether they meant to or not."

because of __________ we have Donald Rump.

Listening to Comey today made me sick. I've had a tension headache all afternoon.

[still_one]

2. Aboslutley, and I would add much of the media in that group because of their double standard

coverage and lies, the last one a few days before the election being the devastating:

https://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/10/28/media-freak-out-fbi-letter-disregard-facts-and-run-gops-false-description-clinton-email-review/214184

"How one Congressman punked the media on the FBI letter about Clinton’s emails
No, the FBI did not say it would ‘reopen’ its investigation."

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-chaffetz-fbi-investigation-lies-e9fff5359102

"NY Times Floods Front Page With FBI Letter Stories While Acknowledging It Didn’t “Reopen” Clinton Server Inquiry"

https://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/10/30/ny-times-floods-front-page-fbi-letter-stories-while-acknowledging-it-didn-t-reopen-clinton-server/214202

[red dog 1]

8. + 1

[hrmjustin]

3. What you just said!

[musette_sf]

4. K to the R xoxo

[LostinRed]

5. I was TYT supporter for years

I've deleted them out of my life forever they can fuck themselves

[cwydro]

6. Thank you bb.

There are some in this site who did so.

It sickens me.

[elmac]

7. Well,

The fascist suppressing votes, Putin hacking and cyber warfare, Comey the commie helping putin, foreign and domestic super packs, really dumb ameriKan voters and plenty of them, really lazy progressive voters who decided to stay home did a lot more damage then Sarandon or any other whining progressives.

[Gothmog]

9. Agreed

The JPR idiots, Stein supporters and BOB idiots are responsible for trump

[NobodyHere]

10. Well there goes our big tent party.

[zentrum]

13. Agreed. nt

[Adrahil]

23. Our big tent had people shitting in it. NT

[JHan]

27. ++++

[disillusioned73]

141. Was it ever a big tent??...

or just lip service..

[NobodyHere]

149. It seemed a lot bigger in 2009 when we controlled both houses of congress

and had a majority of governor seats.

[we can do it]

142. Those assholes burnt the damn tent down. Fuck them and their apologists.

[Squinch]

181. LOL! You keep trying to sneak people into the tent who are never going to vote D and who

only want to destroy the Democratic party.

I don't think "big tent" means what you think it means.

[mdbl]

11. Don't sugar coat it, tell us how you really feel.

I certainly agree with you on anyone who voted for what we have now. After the primaries were over, the choice was clear. Too bad the voters in the rural counties of the swing states were so gullible. I don't think Susan Sarandon or Ed Schultz had much to do with that.

[Sparkly]

12. I could not agree more.

When will people finally stop insisting that "There's no difference between the two parties?" Haven't we learned yet that this is flatly untrue?

We might want more of a difference -- much much more. But here we are again, learning the hard way that there is a huge difference, and it's a difference counted in blood and tears.

[calimary]

19. Oh forcryingoutloud - THAT one!

The "both parties the same!" crap.

That's enough to drive me batty.

[Sparkly]

21. Me too!!!

[IADEMO2004]

28. Me 3

[SunSeeker]

14. K & R

[mcar]

16. Tell us how you really feel, Boston

I am right there with you.

[retrowire]

17. Noted. Thank you. Nt

[not fooled]

18. I agree

it's OK to have convictions but you also need to use common sense. The stakes were much too high to mess around on this one.

Now we are all paying the price.

[njhoneybadger]

20. Ditto

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

22. Just went to JPR

They're lamenting the possible repeal of Obamacare after criticizing it for years when they were with DU.

[Squinch]

182. Can you believe this shit?

[fleabiscuit]

24. I'm in. K&R

[La Lioness Priyanka]

25. Fuck those wealthy overprivileged assholes

[bronxiteforever]

26. Thank you. Couldn't agree more! N/t

[aikoaiko]

29. So now nobody should have even said anything negative about HRC?

Most people who badmouthed or maligned or were otherwise negative toward HRC endorsed her and voted for her in the end.

[Curmudgeoness]

122. Apparently. nt

[Squinch]

183. Yeah. Right. That's exactly what they are saying. (sarcasm)

[Ccarmona]

30. So Where Does That Leave Someone like me

In your intolerant world.

I supported Bernie whole hardly, but voted for HRC in the General Election, even though I could've stayed home and nothing would have changed. My vote was relatively meaningless because I live in Hawaii, which: went 62% for HRC, (30% for Trump); has just four Electoral votes; and all the down ticket races went strong for the Democratic candidates.
Just asking.

[KPN]

75. Yeah, same here. Where does that leave us?

Same situation, but in Oregon.

I agree with the anger - but directing at anyone who had any reservations or concerns about Hillary during the primary is off base.

[Jno_Gilmor_]

78. +1

[leftynyc]

88. You're taking this OP far too personally

I'm thinking poster was talking about people with influence - while I may or may not consider the impressions of DUers important and something to think about - you're not on tv or twitter with millions of people watching/following you every single day. When you DO influence that many people, what you say means a lot. The other side can't use you as a weapon, the OP is talking about those who can be used that way.

[Curmudgeoness]

123. You are putting words in the mouth of the OP that aren't there.

It IS personal for many of us who supported Bernie in the primaries and had some concern about Hillary. We might now have had the same platform as celebrities, but we have been just as maligned by many here.

The OP did not specify that it is only celebrities that they are talking about, they just used examples that people know.

[leftynyc]

129. I made what I consider

a highly educated guess. Why the fuck should anyone ("out there&quot care what anyone on DU has to say? Who are they going to influence?

[Squinch]

185. I have to say that right now I am pissed as hell at ANYONE who worked against the Democratic

nominee and therefore FOR this shit show.

And all the shit that was piled on Hillary for no apparent reason? All the people HERE who piled on to the email non-story, the Benghazi non-story. All the people HERE who acted as if it was some deep dark crime that Brazile spilled the fact that there would be a question on the Flint water crisis at the debate that was taking place in Flint during the water crisis?

They all had a hand in what is happening right now.

[ashtonelijah]

172. If you continued badmouthing Hillary after she became the nominee? It applies.

Because you know what? I can't stand Bernie and there are a lot of things about him I didn't like. But if he had become our nominee in July, I'd have spent the next 4 months acting like he shitted rainbows and could do no wrong because the alternative was DONALD FUCKING TRUMP. The alternative was millions losing healthcare, LGBT people and women having their rights stripped away by a Trump appointed Supreme Court, and an INSANE MAN with the nuclear codes.

But some people were just too all up in themselves and their personal hatred of Hillary. Some weren't BOB or voting for Stein, but they bitched and complained all the way to the voting booth about how awful their choices were and how they were being forced to vote for the "lesser of two evils." THAT SHIT IS CONTAGIOUS. And yes, I blame those people just as much as the BOBers and the Steinbots. I would've treated Bernie like he shitted rainbows and pissed liquid gold after the convention if he had been the nominee in order to enthuse other Hillary supporters because PEOPLE'S RIGHTS AND LIVES MATTER MORE THAN MY PETTY PERSONAL GRIEVANCES ABOUT NOT GETTING MY WAY IN A PRIMARY.

[Squinch]

184. WTF? The answer to that depends on what kind of person you are. COULD you have just stayed

home? Is that who you are? Don't ask someone else to tell you what kind of person YOU are.

[Tarheel_Dem]

31. Ditto! The folks you named are all well to do. It doesn't really matter to them. n/t

[Nevernose]

36. I spend a lot of time refraining from saying those things

I think them sometimes. Daily. Said the same thing on DU multiple times, made impassioned speeches at the caucus precinct and county convention. And then volunteered for Hillary.

But you know what? To keep repeating that refrain is counter productive. It serves to divide our party and -- more importantly -- it doesn't matter anymore. Can't change time, just focus on 2018.

"I told you so" is tempting and true, but ultimately not helpful.

[KTM]

39. I know. You're right.

But it doesnt feel any better to have someone yelling "fuck you" at me than it does for them. We placed our bets. I bet on a different horse, then rooted for the other one when the time came, and we lost. Having a bunch of after-the-fact'ers yell at me because THEIR choice - who I supported and argued for - lost the contest? It fucking burns.

[TDale313]

41. Yeah, many of us have been biting back our "We told you so"s

Fact is many of us supported Bernie precisely because we *didn't* want what happened in November to happen. I voted for Hillary- I desperately wanted her to beat Trump in the General. But all those who screamed at us that we had to support her in the primary because she would easily beat Trump? Yeah, not so much.

[R B Garr]

64. The "I told you so" refrain goes both ways. I saw that removed post and

it was devoid of any acknowledgement that a large portion of the attacks on the candidate who became the nominee were from 2015 on.

[Jakes Progress]

43. And thank you for president trump.

People of Ignorance and gullibility will always be the target of rightwing propaganda. All they need is people soft-headed enough to fall for their bull.

Your feet are deep in it, dude.

[KTM]

46. How the fuck am I to blame ?!?

Ive voted for Democrats since I was first allowed a choice. I voted for Hillary. I argued, passionately, as to why Trump would be a fucking shit show for our country. But the right has spent the last 20 years HATING Hillary Clinton. Did you think they would say "yeah, but Trump is loony tunes, so I'll vote for that woman that I have been taught to hate for 20 years?"

Hillary was a bad choice. Not because she lacks ANYTHING, but because we KNEW our opponents HATED her. I didnt fall for diddily shit... I said from day one that she would lose, then lost friends over arguing for her anyway, after proudly proclaiming that I voted for the smart woman over the narcissistic troll.

She lost. Not my fault. We nominated the ONE person guaranteed to turn out Republican voters, who would have voted for a fresh pile of dogshit over her out of pure spite and hatred. Were they ignorant? Were they wrong ? Is their hatred misplaced ? Yes yes and yes. Was it CLEAR that they would pour out to vote against her ? YES.

I did my part, and voted for the candidate who lost. Im not to blame here.

[Jakes Progress]

57. Numbers are not your friend.

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If you voted for Hillary, donated to her campaign, knocked on doors, never voiced concern about her after March or so, then you are not to blame. If you bought the crap that Hillary was hated more than republicans, then you missed the vote that night. If you think the public would not have reviled Bernie even more than Hillary if he had gotten the nomination, you haven't been at this very long. If the right wing had let loose with the stuff they stored up for him, we wouldn't have gotten a third of the vote. Not that any of the stuff on Bernie was a reason to keep him from office, but neither as any of the crap they tossed up about Hillary. But they never heard the stuff, because he didn't have a chance of winning the nomination. The press kept it to themselves because they needed the drama of a close-fought primary race. The republicans weren't going to bring it up because they were praying that he might be the candidate, and he was aiding them by dumping on her. Hillary didn't use it because she didn't want to antagonize possible voters.

[KPN]

77. Oh bullshit!

[Jakes Progress]

135. How cryptic.

I call your bullshit bullshit.

[KPN]

136. Not cryptic -- concise.

It's what your bullshit deserved. You have no special insight into the electorate or the GOP binders on Bernie or why the media didn't reveal any of that stuff, yet project like you do (because you've been at it for a long time). Well me too buddy. Bullshit.

[Jakes Progress]

140. Not concise -- inchoate.

So you think the poster to whom I replied does have special insight into the electorate. He can call Hillary the worst candidate ever because he has the special perception that I do not. You can project that you understand how everyone will vote (that was the topic of the post you are supporting).

Yes. I have been at this a long time. So work up a better argument than "I can, but you can't". You don't seem to understand how a forum works. Try reading several OP's. They are all about someone putting forth their ideas. You just don't like mine. The best idea you can come up with is that my ideas are bullshit. I can see why you don't like them. Guilt is a heady persuader. But a forum needs to be more than just "I'm full of great ideas that are different from yours, so yours are bullshit".

Tell my why my concept of how the media played the primary is so unrealistic. Tell me why you think the GOP never attacked Bernie.

That is how this stuff works - if it is going to work.

[Cha]

84. EXACTLY RIGHT, JAKE.

[redstatebluegirl]

101. Exactly Right!

The republicans were hoping for Bernie. Now, the stuff they had was no different than what they had been doing to Hillary, but they had it and it was nasty. They would have run some horrible ads that would have terrified the masses. The loss would have been in the double digits.

But going over and over the last election cycle takes our eyes of the real mission, 2018. They are destroying our country, if we don't stop it when we can, we are doomed.

We need to FOCUS!

[redstatebluegirl]

102. Exactly Right!

The republicans were hoping for Bernie. Now, the stuff they had was no different than what they had been doing to Hillary, but they had it and it was nasty. They would have run some horrible ads that would have terrified the masses. The loss would have been in the double digits.

But going over and over the last election cycle takes our eyes of the real mission, 2018. They are destroying our country, if we don't stop it when we can, we are doomed.

We need to FOCUS!

[cwydro]

105. Bingo. nt

[Act_of_Reparation]

119. Says "Numbers are not your friend."

Gives no numbers.

[Jakes Progress]

134. I'm sorry. You missed the election?

News update. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. What that means is that she had more people vote for her than trump. It means she was more popular. It means that the numbers are a refutation of the meme that Hillary was the most unpopular candidate of all time.

It means that the Democratic party needs to look at who actually got the votes. Sorry. I can't explain it any simpler.

I guess you should be glad that you missed the election evening. It was very sad. Keep grinning.

[Act_of_Reparation]

145. A truly fascinating mode of argumentation.

News update.

Oh, boy. I sense a sanctimonious lecture in the works.

Hillary Clinton won the popular vote.

What that means is that she had more people vote for her than trump.

It means she was more popular.

It means that the numbers are a refutation of the meme that Hillary was the most unpopular candidate of all time.

Or it means people equivocate. And by people, I mean you.

Check it out:

[div class="excerpt" style="background-color:#b5c6e0;"]

POPULAR

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/popular

1: of or relating to the general public

2: suitable to the majority

3: frequently encountered or widely accepted

4: commonly liked or approved




Did people vote for her? Yes. Was she widely liked and admired? No.

Ergo: unpopular.

It means that the Democratic party needs to look at who actually got the votes. Sorry. I can't explain it any simpler.

I was going to say "...any worse", but you know me, I don't like to complain.

There is no way to "look at who actually got the votes" in a Hillary or Bernie debate because there was no "or Bernie" on the ballot in November. There are no numbers, no data to indiciate how "or Bernie" would have performed against Trump. None. So, when someone says, "Bernie would have won the general election" or "Bernie wouldn't have got 1/3 the votes Hillary did", what they are really saying is "I am completely full of shit" or "I am psychic"... both of which are grounds for immediate dismissal. And probably a little mockery, too.

But even as a general strategy, this is an incredibly obtuse suggestion. The popular vote doesn't ensure victory. Surely we've won the popular vote but lost the electoral often enough now to understand that. We need to look at who can get the votes we need.

[Jakes Progress]

174. Okay.

Numbers and logic are not your friends.

[R B Garr]

139. Absolutely! "he was aiding them by dumping on her." Absolutely.

Now they are dumping on Obama with similar stolen smears. It's just insane.

[Squinch]

186. Yep. The smears from our "allies" continue unabated as the Republicans blow up the country.

[sprinkleeninow]

152. Yes, I think. Good deduction. eom

[JHan]

68. "worst possible candidate"

yes, great job buying into that destructive meme. Well done. You now literally have the worst possible president in the white house.

great job buying into RW smears.

[Jakes Progress]

131. And this one says he has no blame.

With an attitude like that, I have to wonder how many undecideds he helped convince to not vote Democratic.

[JHan]

132. I heard it all...it was terrible.

I know too many HRC supporters who had to hide their support for her because of abuse. It was insane.

[R B Garr]

74. This is bull because the GOP is using the same

generic smears Bernie used and now attacking Obama. What a travesty.

[WoonTars]

99. Absolutely right...

....

[Curmudgeoness]

125. +1000 nt

[trotsky]

151. Not only was she already the target of 20 years of hate...

but the Republicans successfully portrayed her as the poster woman for the establishment in a decidedly anti-status-quo election. It's an old trick out of the Karl Rove playbook: attack your opponent's strengths. You'd think we would have learned by now how to counter it, but sadly we haven't.

[Jakes Progress]

176. Counter it? Hell

a goodly number of those here on DU actually bought the crap and spread it.

[Cha]

157. No, Hillary was the best choice.. She got 66 Million

votes.

trump was rigged in by comey, the Russian hacking, the fucking 3rd party Elite Assholes who LIED their fucking heads off.. like ssarandon and jillfuckingstein.. and those who got SUCKED in by them.. And VOTER Suppression.

[JTFrog]

164. They hated Obama, they hated Kerry, they hated Gore, they hated Bill, they hated Kennedy's....

Who gives a fuck who they hate? They will always hate our candidates. That's no excuse to fucking help them with that hate.

If you said from day one she would lose, then you probably don't even realize that you started by giving the advantage to Trump by letting them control the message. They will hate every single candidate we ever field because they are all about hate.

If you think you are going to find a candidate the haters will praise and vote for, you might as well start wishing for Santa Clause to show up and run as a Democrat.

What the ever loving fuck am I reading on DU these days.

[Squinch]

187. They hated all those GUYS but we as a party had no trouble uniting behind them. Enthusiastically.

They hated Hillary, and somehow there is a large contingent who either said, "Yeah, all right but I agree with the Republicans. She's the worst possible candidate." Or they said, "I'll write in this other GUY'S name."

A lot of those people are STILL badmouthing her six months after the election.

I ponder and ponder. What could possibly explain the difference in enthusiasm?

[leftofcool]

48. 3 million more votes says you are incorrect

But I think you knew that already

[ZX86]

33. Disagree.

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When did it become the job of Sarandon, TYT, Eddie Schulz, and Jimmy Dore to get Democrats elected? I thought that was the job of the candidate and the party. Last time I checked 3rd parties and free speech was still legal. As Democrats I think our time would be much better spent on strategies to win elections rather than complaining about issues that are inherent to all competitive races. Competitors.

[stevenleser]

65. You need to think about that all more because the answers are obvious and not the ones you intend nt

[Curmudgeoness]

126. Exactly. We have now spent over half a year playing the blame game

instead of working on uniting Democrats, getting good candidates lined up, and setting strategies for the future. It is counter-productive.

[R B Garr]

138. Not really. There are *current* undermining and damaging comments in the

name of critiquing Democrats coming from the same person who caused the damage. That is what is counter-productive. It would be great if they would quit smearing Democrats.

[ZX86]

155. It's politics.

It goes with the territory. People are going to have opinions you don't like. People are not going to like your opinions. To obsess over the fact that different opinions exists is a waste of time. Valuable time that could be devoted to promoting our policy goals. Voters don't care what your opinion is of another politician or pundit. They care about what you're going to do to improve their lives. Everything else is white noise.

[R B Garr]

166. Yes, and there's also "dirty" politics. Intentionally misrepresenting people and

smearing them with unproven claims of corruption are pretty dirty and should be called out. You have to get elected first before you can make people's lives better. Sitting on the sidelines discussing how pure you are isn't actually politics. It's more just idle nave-gazing. You have to win elections.

[ZX86]

167. "smearing them with unproven claims of corruption are pretty dirty and should be called out"

That's what the opposition does. It's designed to distract you from your message. Don't fall for it. It's inside the D.C. beltway/cabal news soap opera drama. Real people are concerned about healthcare, jobs, school debt, etc. We have to keep our eyes on the prize. Improving the lives of middle class and poor Americans should be the highest priority. Not defending the honor of anyone's favorite political candidate.

[R B Garr]

169. And obviously throwing out unproven claims of corruption are not wise to do

as it gives the opposition ammunition so that they win elections, and again you're sitting on the sidelines. No way to help middle class Americans when you're sitting on the sidelines. You have to actually win elections, then you can help middle class Americans.

[Cha]

158. NO, it's sarandon's and jill stien's job to LIE their Fucking

heads OFF about Hillary to help get the fucking asshole Rigged in.

[ZX86]

159. They didn't lie.

They have a difference of opinion. Saying candidate X is better than candidate Y is an opinion. It may be a bad, wrong, or stupid opinion but it's still an opinion. I don't agree with Libertarians on tax policy. They aren't "lying" about tax policy. They're just very wrong.

It's not Susan Sarandon or Jill Stein's job to support Democrats. They're not Democrats. The idea that the entire Democratic Party which had hundreds of millions of dollars at it's disposal, endorsements from virtually every Democratic Senator and congressperson, endorsements from A-List Hollywood celebrities somehow got crushed, beaten, and destroyed by two eccentric old ladies is absurd.

[Cha]

160. sarandon and stein LIED their Fucking heads OFF.

[ZX86]

161. Opinions you don't like are not lies.

It doesn't mean they aren't wrong or stupid opinions. They're just not lies.

[Cha]

162. S&S straight up LIED their Fucking STupid heads OFF

[JTFrog]

163. They were lies. We don't deal in "alternative facts" at DU.

Using your logic, one could excuse just about any lie. Lying is a real thing. Actors and politicians are fucking professional liars for fuck's sake.....

But you go ahead with your bullshit so you can have an excuse to slam Democrats.

[uponit7771]

171. BULL FUCKIN SHIT !!!! We're not stupid they based those opinions off of lies

[longship]

34. Then there are those who want relive the election over and over again.

Instead of uniting the party, they seem intent on dividing it.

My advice, find common ground and unite against the GOP. That's why we are in this position in the first place, because we are not united.

This post does zero to mend things. It only further divides by ringing that cockamaimie blame bell.

Let it rest and let's get together.

United we stand; divided we fall. As should be apparent to all but the most dense of those who insist on refighting old intraparty battles.

I'll R&K this thread for visibility, but I strongly think its intent is misplaced.

Best regards to all.

[Jakes Progress]

47. Read the replies here.

Just how can you unify that?

Playing nice and holding in will not do a thing. All of that held in bile will bubble up in 2020 and republicans will benefit again. Until we can discuss issues and errors, we won't have dealt with them. We won the election popular vote. We would have won without comey. We would have won without third party asshats. We would have won if all those who swear they would do all they can to elect the nominee had done half of what they could. But, by saying "let's all play nice and smile" we avoid dealing with the issues that cost the election. Want to avoid talking about the primaries? It won't help. The propaganda fueled primary led to the idiocy that gave us the idiot in chief.

[longship]

54. I have read the whole thread.

All I can say is:

United we stand; divided we fall.

That's where I stand. I support Democrats and loyal followers (E.G., Bernie Sanders and others who consistently caucus with Democrats). PERIOD!

Although I am a yellow dog, if a blue dog ran in my very red district I would be overjoyed and do anything to help elect him/her.

I am a very left Democrat, but I also put party high on my loyalty list.

That means that I enthusiastically supported Bernie in the primary and equally enthusiastically Hillary in the general.

This incessant carping and post mortem analysis does the party no fucking good whatsoever at this point. We need to support all Democrats no matter who they are. Plus, those independents whose Democratic Party loyalty is proven by their deeds.

Unite against the utter madness!!!

[Jakes Progress]

61. Optimism is a good thing.

It won't win elections, but it does make it easier to sleep at night.

I've been a yellow dog for several decades. Never voted for anything other than Democrats.

I am very left. I liked Bernie when he started, but knew that his attacks only cut support for the candidate that was going to be the nominee.

We are not talking about those who supported another candidate in the primary. We are talking about those who wouldn't stop their campaign attacks after the primary. Our local party had to deal with dozens of sour pusses who cranked on at every meeting, carping about crooked Hillary. Sure they voted for her, but loved to tell everyone they knew how they were holding their noses to do so. How many of those they knew from work heard these "Democrats" carping about Hillary in September and October? I heard them where I work. If these people were loyal, then we wouldn't be here. They won't be loyal in four years either.

A post mortem does a lot of fucking good. You do one to find out what caused the death. Without one, there will be more deaths. I think the lesson that can come from a post mortem is just what you say you want. We need unity. We did not have it in the last election.

The lesson is that we will lose if we do not have solidarity. Too many Democrats forgot that union strength in the last election.

[longship]

67. I see no good in these threads.

The election was over months ago. So why is the idiotic fucking blame game spewage continuing?

I'll tell you why. Because too damned many people here have not moved past last years primaries. They just cannot let the lunacy of last spring/summer go. It eats in their craw and they cannot let it go.

We have some rather large battles ahead of us, none of which will be won by continuing either the hand-wringing or the blame casting.

United we stand; divided we fall!!

I would think that people here would learn that very simple concept. Apparently I may be wrong. I sincerely hope not.

[Jakes Progress]

137. You missed the point I was making.

We are divided. Ignoring that fact will not win any more elections. One of the things that could have won us the election would have been if people had united around the party nominee. Those people who did not - the ones you mention here that won't let go of the primary - need to come to understand the principle of solidarity. Had Bernie won the primary, I would have done just as much for his election as I did for Hillary. I would not have spent the months of May thru November grousing and bashing our candidate. Others here did not do that for our candidate. I don't know about your experience, but I went to several party events in October where some in attendance were still bashing Hillary with the RW and RT smears, trying to convince people to "send a message" to the Party that "we won't stand for this". I can only imagine how many undecided voters they convinced not to vote for Hillary.

If you want unity, you must give unity. If we don't teach that now (and you can't do that by pretending the divide doesn't exist) we will do the same stupid thing in 2020. The problem won't go away by ignoring it.

I share your goal; I do not share your method.

[longship]

148. I specified no method other than stopping the stupid in fighting.

[Jakes Progress]

175. That is the method I refer to.

Ignoring differences just so everyone will get along won't lead to solidarity. It will only reinforce disunity.

[longship]

177. What is solidarity BY FUCKING DEFINITION??

I'll stand by my posts.

Thank you for your responses.
Buh-bye.

[Jakes Progress]

189. Fucking Definition

noun, plural solidarities.
1.
union or fellowship arising from common responsibilities and interests, as between members of a group or between classes, peoples, etc.:
to promote solidarity among union members.
2.
community of feelings, purposes, etc.
3.
community of responsibilities and interests.

Stand by your posts if you like. But without discussion we cannot determine the common responsibilities and interests that we should have to unify us. To get to the solidarity that you claim to want, we have to know that others will hold solidarity with us. We thought we had that. We thought that Democrats would support Democrats in the election. That didn't happen. Many broke faith with the party.

If you look at union history, you will find examples of unions that did not hold solidarity with other unions. Strikes were not honored. This always has led to the dissolution of unions. If my union of printers strikes to support your union of distributors, but then the next year your union does not strike to support us, you have broken faith and destroyed the only power of a union. Some people who call themselves Democrats need to be taught the meaning of holding solidarity. Ignoring the fact that some self-important idiots don't know how unity works will only get republicans elected back to majorities in 2018. We have less than 18 months to get this worked out. Ignoring the problem and pretending to get along won't win us elections.

[longship]

190. Solidarity!!

1.
unity or agreement of feeling or action, especially among individuals with a common interest; mutual support within a group.

Note the emphasis on unity and agreement of action.
Then there's individuals with a common interest.

Then, there's the god damned blinkered idiot fools who want us divided.

And I do stand by my posts.

Good bye, sir.

[Jakes Progress]

191. You have to read more than part of a post.

You can't have solidarity (read the definition again and then again) with individuals with whom you do not have mutual support or common interest. You love the kumbaya part of agreement and unity without understanding the part about common interest and mutual support.

Then there's the god damned blinkered idiot fools who want us to lose elections as long as were are shiny and happy. Actually they probably don't really want us to lose elections; they just aren't bright enough to see how to do that.

[longship]

192. Once again.

United we stand; divided we fall.

Or are you going to double down yet again on divisive argument. What purpose does that serve?

Once more, buh-bye.

[Jakes Progress]

193. Twice again.

If we don't unify around ideas, we will lose the next election.

Or are you going to quadruple down yet again and again and again on playing nice at the expense of winning the House or Senate? What purpose is that going to serve.

You say once more, but . . .

How come you get to repeat your simplistic message over and over, but if I reiterate my premise, I'm doubling down? We are not united. Pretending we are with a smile on our face won't make it not so.

[classykaren]

103. Thank You

[barbtries]

35. me too.

i'm so over it.

[johnnyplankton]

37. Let me get this straight....

I'm a fucking asshole because I preferred Bernie to Hillary, even though I voted for her? Yeah, that makes sense in a democracy....

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

44. Where is Bernie's name mentioned in the post you're responding to?

It isn't. You and several others must be feeling guilty.

[JTFrog]

52. Nailed it. nt

[TDale313]

62. Oh please.

It's very clear this post was about refighting the primaries.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

63. That's your interpretation

It wasn't mentioned so I disagree.

Those who were mentioned like Susan Sarandon and Ed Schultz advocated for a third party.

[cwydro]

106. They do seem to be a very sensitive bunch.

Interesting.

[leftofcool]

49. Nobody said shit about Bernie

Truthfully, no one cares about Bernie at least not the Democrats I know.

[Mariana]

51. It isn't good enough that you voted for Hillary, I guess.

You know, this crap sounds eerily familiar.

"You must love Big Brother. It is not enough to obey him, you must love him."

[Jno_Gilmor_]

79. Yep!!! n/t

[VOX]

112. "Yep" what?

That it isn't good enough that one voted for Hillary? Or that it's "like Big Brother"?

Welcome to DU!

[Jno_Gilmor_]

118. Like Big Brother

[athena]

127. So wanting Democrats to support Democrats is like "Big Brother"?

You should read 1984. I say "read" rather than "re-read" because it's clear that you have never read it.

Welcome to ignore, by the way.

[Jno_Gilmor_]

130. Ignore and bash anyone who criticizes Clinton even in the slightest...

Wonder why she didn't win. 🤔

[R B Garr]

144. LOL, what a slip. Maybe you didn't read the OP you were responding to?

It's about those who badmouthed Clinton, which was nonstop. That's the reality.

--did you see you responded to yourself?

[Jno_Gilmor_]

150. Yes, I was responding to the person who put me on ignore above

[tecelote]

86. +1

[R B Garr]

147. You didn't read the OP, either? It has nothing to do with loving or obeying Hillary.

It just criticizes those who badmouthed her.

LOL, love the default position to rote put upon talking points, though.

[WellDarn]

40. Have you all called your Representative?

[Butterflies]

42. Yup, I agree.

I have been sad and angry ever since the election. Trump, the GOP congress, and his "supporters" do so much damage everyday. What kind of country will we be left with when they are finished??

[Wibly]

45. Check yourself bud

People warned you. Those who did not heed those warnings, and attacked those who did the warning, are as much to blame for the advent of Trump as anyone.
Attitudes like yours not only helped Trump into office, but will keep a Democrat out of the White House for a long time if you persist.
Oh, and if you think you're going to win votes with foul mouthed tirades then you are really no better than the Repubs.

[leftofcool]

50. Wrong. Progressives will be the death of getting Dems elected.

[NurseJackie]

55. TYVM

[Chevy]

85. The term is populists now

that's what the cool kids are calling themselves these days apparently.

[WoonTars]

100. And there you have it folks...

...let's punch the hippies some more because our centrist candidate lost...

[Kathy M]

179. Your statement is incorrect ..... It is up to the canidate to get elected . n/t

[NurseJackie]

53. LOL

[Cha]

72. Check yourself, Wibly.. 3rd fucking Party LIARS helped

bring about this trump shite..

The RATFUCKERS FUCKING LIARS are no better than the fascistrumps.

[KPN]

76. My sentiments exactly.

Thanks for that.

[brush]

56. YES! YES! YES!

[philly_bob]

58. Message deleted by DU the Administrators

[JHan]

70. It matters so that it is not repeated.

it matters so that the left ( from left center to even pragmatic far leftists) don't splinter and hand GOP power. We see what happens when we allow that to happen. It matters even now when allies are tearing down democrats and the party at a time when our laser focus should be on Trump.

[Cha]

73. Bull it's "unproductive".. it sure as hell is Productive..

right fucking now.

[Squinch]

188. Did you notice the legislation that the "third party vote" brought to us this week? It ain't lookin

backward.

[Honeycombe8]

60. I agree. Having a hissy fit because your first choice isn't on the ticket is ego at its height.

Because it's illogical to sway people to vote for precisely the person who would hurt your causes the most. So let's not pretend it's about your causes.

Maybe they were ticked because of the things that the HRC campaign had done against Sanders? I don't know. But it makes no sense to be against the candidate that would help your causes more, if you are going to use your clout to sway the election.

[cstanleytech]

69. I suspect a number of such people were hired to do that online mainly by Russia.

Mind you I could be mistaken however it does fit with past efforts Russia has used to divide a country like the Ukraine.

[Cha]

71. Yeah, Fuck the Fuck Off 3rd party Ratfucking LIARS who Assisted

trump voters to bring about ben fucking idiot carson, TOO

[we can do it]

143. Fuck the goddamn Green Party vanity voters.

[Cha]

154. Yeah, the real "elitists"

[we can do it]

156. Makes me more than mildly nauseous.

[KPN]

80. After today's news/events, your anger is 100% understandable. I share it.

But the tirade against Democrats who had reservations along the way and now have constructive criticism about the past and how to go forward is way the hell off base.

[JCanete]

82. were you actually tip-toeing around before? Well thank God you finally posted how you feel. nt

[secondwind]

83. I'm with you all the way.

As a former Bernie supporter, I have to say that I never maligned Hillary, I just liked Bernie better, and I proudly and passionately campaigned for her and fiercely pulled the lever for her.

[leftynyc]

87. I save special scorn for

David fucking Axelrod. Was on tv ALL through the campaign and all he did was take down Hillary. And he's still at it as of today. Democrats only got so much airtime and while degenerate Donnie supporters and all the republican minions defended EVERYTHING Donnie did, axe dragged our (supposedly his) side down day after day. He disgusts me because he helped get a man into office that is determined to undo everything a democrat axe DID respect got done. Fuck him sideways.

[Brogrizzly]

89. For every finger pointed outward in anger, their should be an inward thought of calm.

Self reflection, does individuals and political parties wonders. The people on this list are not the enemy, I will not get angry or alienated at them. Republicans and Trump are the enemy.

[lillypaddle]

90. Preach!

#Resist

[berksdem]

91. Feel better now?

[FarPoint]

92. I say this every day.

The power of the GOP to infiltrate, divide and diminish the Democratic Party unity was our true nemesis.

[betsuni]

93. Agree.

Fuck them.

[Lunabell]

94. I bad mouthed her in the primary.

If by badmouthing you mean legitimately criticizing her. But when she won the primary, it took a few days but I realized I needed to rally behind her. So fuck ANYONE who is so arrogant as to think their candidate is perfect and above criticism.

[JTFrog]

117. If you weren't one of the people screaming speeches, emails and Benghazi....

If you weren't plastering the forums with Russia Today propaganda....

If you weren't participating at other sites where they called Clinton the c-word and worse.....

If you weren't screaming "Lock her up!"....

If you weren't saying she should spend more time with her grandkids....

If you weren't complaining about her voice, clothes, hair, husband.....

THEN NO ONE IS TALKING ABOU.t YOU.

None of those things were legitimate criticisms. It was all misogynistic witch hunts.

But all of the above happened in mass quantity. There were a lot of useful idiots who helped put Trump in office by trashing our candidate with KGOP propaganda. Those are just the facts.

Saying fuck those people shouldn't be insulting to anyone who just didn't like her voting record.

[ehrnst]

95. And the media...

[yardwork]

96. Make this an OP.

[mcar]

109. This says it exactly

Makes my blood boil.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

98. totally. It's like one of those old movies where someone gets sent to jail

in some hick southern town where the sheriff runs the town and you have
no hope of getting out.

[riversedge]

104. Well said--and please call your Reps now!! Vile #Trumpcare vote is today at 1 pm! Thrusday

[MFM008]

107. 1000

!!!!

[VOX]

108. I can live easily with every word you speak.

Thank you!

[NCTraveler]

110. K&R. nt.

[ehrnst]

113. But those Goldman Sachs speeches... TOTAL DEALBREAKER!!!!!

Who cares if her financial statements showed that she earned next to nothing in investments - and paid payroll taxes, and not lower capital gains on her earnings? She was going to turn our country over to WALL STREET!!!!

[workinclasszero]

114. Agree 1000%!

Fuck Jill Stein, the green party, Sarandon, the young shitstain turks, debbie the insane progressive, the bernie bros, the so-called progressives at JPR, that bastard Comey, the MSM, and last but certainly not least, Vladimir Putin and his online troll army who subverted our presidential election and installed a mouth drooling fucking puppet/idiot/wall street assassin into the White House!

Trumpcare will MURDER us all....THANKS M***ER FU***RS!!!!!!


But hey at least when we are dying in a ditch by the side of a road with our wonderful Trumpcare, we wont have to worry about this, right MSmo**erfu*kingM????

[Orsino]

115. Fuck 100 million people who either voted for Trump...

...or who could have voted and didn't bother to turn out.

[Gothmog]

116. K&R

[okieinpain]

120. then you would have to include DU. this place was on fire with bernie

vs. hillary stuff when i checked back in.

[Initech]

121. We have the biggest morons on the planet running this country.

They hijacked our country and they're driving us off a cliff, Thelma and Louise style. And I'm supposed to play nice with them? Fuck that shit!!!

[spanone]

124. K&R...

[get the red out]

128. agree

[tallahasseedem]

133. Tell it like it is!!!

So many things wrong with these idiots.

[anglesphere]

146. We are where we are

I forgive them. We have to. We need them and they need us.

[riversedge]

153. REC.

[Oneironaut]

168. I despised Hillary, but at the same supported her 100% in the election.

Drumpf's Presidency has gone as predicted: a train wreck of scandal and incompetence. Drumpf is now openly catering to white supremacists and Christo-Fascists. Hillary would not have made a good President, imo, but Trump is a Fascist.

[Cha]

170. Now Bill Maher's sayin' the same thing

you did, boston..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9022511

[ucrdem]

173. Hillary wasn't good enough,

and now we find out that ACA wasn't good enough, either. So we get Trump and Trumpcare, which are bad, but at least they're not Clinton and Obama care, which are really bad.



Sometimes I wonder.

[JHan]

180. Right lol ,it's Senselessness.

[AgadorSparticus]

178. +1,000!!! Right on!