And the House is OURS!

[annabanana]

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The republicans have delivered the coup de grace on their own party.

When it dawns on everyone JUST HOW PUNITIVE this bill is, there will be no hope for them.

[Chipper Chat]

1. Can we get people to the polls?

Guess it's up to Perez if that happens.

[moriah]

4. Not unless they allow absentee ballots cast in advance so...

... the people this legislation will kill will be able to be heard.

Senate Dems, filibuster like you mean it....

[Caliman73]

5. I think it has to be up to each and every one of us.

Perez and the DNC need to do what they do, but we all need to make sure everyone that we know gets to the polls. We cannot sit and wait for someone else to take care of it.

[notdarkyet]

41. I just gave money to ossoff and quist. I don't have much but will keep giving what

I can until these demons are exorcised from the body politic.

[Ligyron]

53. goodonya!

[NurseJackie]

8. I hope they'll still be ALIVE and HEALTHY enough to vote.

[LanternWaste]

45. It's up to you if that happens, as well.

It's up to you if that happens, as well.

[BSdetect]

2. I'd never assume victory after what happened in 2016

They will try the same again should they escape this time.

These people are monsters.

[LenaBaby61]

7. "I'd never assume victory after what happened in 2016."

Me either. Nothing to do with Hillary either.

I'm wondering what in hell thuglcans will be doing to Dems in terms of voter suppression an voter disenfranchisement a year from now. I don't trust beauguard ether as our AG. He doesn't want Dems to vote and won't do anything if there is voter suppression on steroids coming from the thuglican camp. Hell, the ruskies are still interfering--cyber-hacking, whatever--with things over in this country NOW per Clint Watts.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

72. The Russians will screw with us again. Why not? They got away with it Scot-free.

[FiveGoodMen]

3. Wishful thinking, I'm afraid.

[okieinpain]

6. don't get to far down the road. my faith in the american

public is not too good right now. the repugs can always delay the effects till after 2020.

[old guy]

9. Don't bet on it.

[elmac]

10. don't underestimate these rat basturds

they have foreign powers working for them, billionaires working for them, voter suppression working for them, the press working for them, wall street banksters working for them. It will take more then elections to throw the bums out and it won't be pretty.

[rurallib]

11. With gerrymandering, dark money, voter suppression and unverifiable voting

not to forget the Russians will still be hacking, I wouldn't count any chickens until they are hatched and safely sheltered in the House.

These bastards are simply evil

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

29. +1

The deck is severely stacked against the Democratic Party in the House at the moment. We can't even try to fix it en-masse until 2020, and that's only if we can take back enough state legislatures to fix the gerrymandering.

[FairWinds]

12. And wait until the MSM gives health care the . .

good old false equivalency treatment.

They will NOT be truthful about how awful the bill is.

I so wish it were otherwise.

[annabanana]

64. When people with employer insurance get hit

on pre-existing conditions, the media won't be able to tell them they AREN't being robbed blind..

[BamaRefugee]

13. Lots of people will die from no insurance

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So, lots less voters for Repiglicans to worry about.

This is just voter suppression on a massive scale.

[Tiggeroshii]

33. Many will be their own, however

[BamaRefugee]

35. All that means is quieter, emptier Town Halls

Absolutely fine with them

[hurple]

14. Nah

Won't happen.

With the short attention spans, and the fourth-reich-wing media to spin that all the bad stuff is democrats fault, like usual, they'll trounce us again.

[CanonRay]

15. Unless they hack, steal, gerrymand or otherwise swipe it back.

which is highly likely, IMHO. The GOP is like Dracula, sucks the life blood out of you, and cannot be killed.

[pnwmom]

16. Gerrymandering, vote purging, voter ID, Russian hacking. How can you be so sure? nt

[Bernardo de La Paz]

20. Those can and will all be combatted. We will resist, persist, and win more victories than even now.

[Ligyron]

55. I like your attitude Bernado de La Paz!

[Left-over]

17. I sent an email to my congressman and told him we will not forget.

[Blue_Adept]

18. Any pain people face will be blamed on democrats anyway

"They didn't vote for any of it when they could have made it better"

logic doesn't enter the equation. They simply cannot believe that their party would harm them.

[Missn-Hitch]

19. Yep.

[berksdem]

22. hit the nail on the head...

[BamaRefugee]

36. Eggsactly. n/t

[berksdem]

21. I like confidence....

but not so sure I am confident in the Trump voters realization that they are being screwed. If anything Trump being elected should tell you never to be overconfident.

[kristopher]

23. That sounds too much like "Hillary can't lose" for my taste.

Counting chickens and all that.

[BannonsLiver]

24. All it's going to take is a roster of good candidates and a fuck ton of money

It's doable. Ignore the defeatism but don't get too overconfident. This will have to be worked for.

[aquamarina]

25. I admire your optimism

and hope like hell you are correct. In the meantime Dems at the state level should start making sure RIGHT NOW that eligible voters are registered properly and ready to go next November. I would encourage as many as possible to sign up for absentee voting instead of voting at polling places because as we've seen anything can happen on election day.

[bucolic_frolic]

26. The GOP House is a Death Panel

Don't let America forget it

[kentuck]

27. Very wishful thinking.

I would guess.

[Botany]

28. sorry but "they" control the vote

Hell the repugs just passesd a bill in the house to take away overtime pay.

[Scalded Nun]

30. It's about 1 1/2 years until the mid-terms

If this isn't handled right by the Dems the GOP will have the electorate believing the Dems killed O-Care.

I thought it would be a 'can't miss' when they shut down the government. Wow, was I wrong.

It will take leadership, it will take persistence, but Dem congressional leaders must keep this on the front-burners until the mid-terms.

And...going around crowing about how they have destroyed themselves won't help. Time to grow up.

[rtracey]

31. disagree

You speak of OURS, you need to win the voters. They will find a way to forget. Will they become uninsured, yes. Were they uninsured before the ACA was passed, most likely. Did they still vote right wing, definitely. How will they cope? ask the Emergency Room nurse if a year or so.....

[cynatnite]

32. If millions find themselves without insurance, good chance, I'd say. n/t

[taught_me_patience]

34. Americans have very short memories n/t

[BamaRefugee]

38. yep. this.

[Texin]

43. Oh yeah. Very, very short memories.

And given that the orange cretin is just itching to be a War President, if the blowback is intense in the aftermath of this repeal, you just know he's going to start some kind of false flag op and send troops into battle in some godforsaken place.

And I don't hold out much hope that the rethugs in the Senate won't fall in line behind no-neck McConnell either. I expect they'll tweak a few aspects in order to try to sell it to the public, but the effects will be every bit as deleterious as before, just glammed yo and deodorized shit from the drizzlin' shit the House just dumped on the American working folks.

[Blaukraut]

37. Good. Maybe I can crack open the champagne I bought for Hillary's victory.

I doubt that this bill will have an impact on the '18 election. 18 months is a long time and voters have the attention span of a gnat.

[workinclasszero]

39. Don't think that Fox news, reich wing scumball talkers on Hate radio and republican preachers

aren't going to be selling this abomination/terrorist attack on America as the best thing that has ever happened 24/7 because they will be!

[unitedwethrive]

40. I'm loving this! Haven't the repubs learned to wait to celebrate until they have a real victory?

This is clearly the only 'win' they think they will get.

[onethatcares]

42. my take is they will

fuck around and delay the final vote until after the 2018 election. They will not be held responsible but will tell their dumbass supporters that they tried to get a better bill but the Democratic side would not work with them.

Dumbass supporters will go, "DUH" and vote them back into office.

I'm getting too old to put up with this shit, I really thought this country was better than it shows to be.

[lunatica]

44. The people who care about this and whose lives matter already know who did this

They won't forget because their lives depend on it.

[aquamarina]

52. If we had a media that actually reported

the truth instead of the crap they feed us now, then even Dumbass's supporters would know what was going on.

[onethatcares]

54. we have to be the media

post it notes, freeway blogging, light pole signs, anything to be seen.

There are more of us than there are of them. We have to control the message by ourselves, it seems our elected get used to
too many nice things to rock the boat.

[aquamarina]

58. Preaching to the choir my friend, preaching to the choir

Problem is the millions and millions of brainwashed Faux Noise Viewers. Until they and theirs start dying off or are directly impacted by Trumpcare (if it passes), they will continue to blame Dems for every slight in their lives. It's like that guy from AZ who attended the Ryan Town Hall meeting and told him how he was against the ACA until he was faced with a health crisis. Put a "D" before anything and there is a large segment of the population who will vote against it no matter what.

[calimary]

46. ONLY IF WE TURN OUT TO VOTE.

I don't have faith in most of our fellow citizens, who will ABSOLUTELY fall for the propaganda, the sales pitch from trump & comp, and all the sweet-talking of the campaign ads. They believe trump even when he lies. His base is standing with him to an insane degree. I forget what the actual percentage is - of his base - but it's in the high 90s. Which just shows you they live in the Land of Oz with the munchkins, rather than here on Planet Earth, where reality can still be found. How else do you explain support that high - for that idiot jackass (that most of 'em realize full well that he lies to them every minute on the minute, and just don't care)?

[pansypoo53219]

47. BRING ON THE DEATH PANELS! i better hear death panels on the gnewz.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

48. I'll just say we have a better chance than we did a day earlier

But never take anything for granted.

[HootieMcBoob]

49. Swing Left!

Make a contribution to turn your nearest swing district blue. https://swingleft.org/

[LisaM]

50. Can we get rid of gerrymandering and voter suppression?

Until we can, all bets are off.

[redstatebluegirl]

51. We need to start running ads NOW!

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

56. Remember how everyone

thought that Hillary Clinton would win in a landslide?

It's just this sort of thinking that helped Democrats lose the Presidency, the House, and the Senate.

[lunamagica]

57. Well, I guess those who are seeing this in a positive light are those who are healthy enough to wait

But for thousands of us, this will be a death sentence. To me, this is the darkest day since the election. I'm shaking, in tears and and the fear is making my stomach hurt.

But I bet no one is happier today than Susan Sarandon, jumping with joy thinking that her damn revolution will happen.

[WillowTree]

59. It isn't even law yet.

It'll be a few more months at least probably before then can shove it through, if the Senate decides to employ a means to do so and it probably won't go into effect for as much as a year after that. Best case for Democrats, it's possible that people won't be feeling the effects of this in time for it to have much affect on the 2018 election.

Maybe yes, maybe no. But I sure wouldn't count on it.

[NewDealProgressive]

60. I don't believe that for a second.

In fact, I'll be surprised if this hurts them more than just a little. The people who vote for them aren't going to care. They're really not. This is a full blown cult we're talking about here.

I'm not saying it's hopeless, we definitely need to go out and fight for every vote and push the narrative but don't be surprised if these people don't change their minds. They don't consider policy, they only listen to propaganda and they believe every fucking word of it.

And there's also the problem that our side never comes out for midterms. We need to fix the turnout problem. Hell, we couldn't get people out in the Presidential, this is going to be much harder. Couple that with the gerrymandering, the voter suppression, the black box machines and we've got a serious uphill battle ahead.

I want the House back, I want the Senate but I don't believe for a second that this move puts either of them in our pocket.

We've got to fight like Hell to gain some ground. More than Hell, like our lives depend on it because for many, they do.

[Liberal In Red State]

61. I've heard this before - after Watergate - GOP dead - after Bush light - dead - yet Dems find a way

to mess it up!

[OliverQ]

62. I don't think we can claim victory

You're completely underestimating how stupid Republican voters are and how much this will get blamed on Obama/Dems.

[JDC]

63. I plan to not count my chickens. I have no gaping in the electorate

or of the gerrymandered districts. The people of this country are cable news sheep who forget what the wolf looks like 5 days after it eats their youngest lamb.

[Demsrule86]

65. Fine...tell that to the people this bill kills...little too late. There is no silver lining to this

vote. Our only hope is to stop it in the Senate.

[doc03]

66. Come on get real do you really think 51% of Americans will

remember that vote or even what it was about? If people in this country had any memory another
Republican wouldn't have been elected president for decades.

[Skittles]

67. do you mean PUNITIVE

[annabanana]

68. of course..lol.. Have you noticed how many

debbie downers are on this thread? I posted in the spirit of those Dem Reps who were singing "na na na na" right after the vote.

(I am making note of who's ready to fight, and who's about ready to curl up and die.. Especially now that coverage for depression is on it's way out the window if this crap stands)

[Skittles]

69. I don't know what the chances of taking the House are

but with repukes in control of everything, people can really see what they care about (rich people) and what they don't care about (everyone else). Let's just hope they are paying attention.

[KingCharlemagne]

70. I wish I could share your optimism. Color me mildly skeptical. - nt

[crazycatlady]

71. We still have to work for it

And here are some things you can do now.

If you can help Rob Quist and Jon Ossoff who are running RIGHT NOW. THeir elections are May 25 and June ?. If you can't help financially, there's probably phone banking from home you can do. If you live in or near their districts, go knock doors.

Donate to groups like the DCCC. While they've got their haters, they provide the infrastructure for Democrats to win. I am a campaign staffer and owe my political career to the training that they provided me (even though the races I've worked on are not always targeted by them). As much as they want to help 435 seats, the resources do not exist and they have to choose accordingly. They're investing in MT-AL and GA-06 (the two current specials).

It is still very early and most likely candidates have not yet emerged. That is okay at this point in the game. Donate to your state's Democratic Party that is helping finding the candidates (as is the DCCC).

Lastly get involved locally. And when a candidate emerges, volunteer if you can.