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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsKeith Olbermann just told us to trust Claude Taylor's tweets
So this has the potential to be almost bigger than Watergate.
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bdamomma
(63,795 posts)Leith
(7,808 posts)I think I can speak for most of here when I say that we're all tired of waiting. Every day we hear promises that something big is about to break, it's right around the corner, this week! Maybe early next week! The FBI is investigating! The CIA is doing something secret that will come out any time!
It's Fitzmas over and over again.
Today's horrible, vicious vote in the House was a slap in the country's face. Enough of this rethugs gone wild crap. The robber barons have to be stopped dead in their tracks. I swear, right now I won't be satisfied until I see breaking news that every police force with jurisdiction (National Guard and Capital Police included) has swarmed the White House and Capital Hill arresting every rethug there.
Edited to add: if this wonderful new is just something small like maybe "Carter Page had a meeting in Prague that we didn't know before," it will be beyond disappointing. We have to see some real big wigs getting the Susan McDougal treatment.
bathroommonkey76
(3,827 posts)one-hour prime-time slot for Law & Order- investigations take time.
Leith
(7,808 posts)But it's high time that we had some good news out of Washington.
SergeStorms
(19,182 posts)he could tell RIGHT AWAY that the emails on Anthony Wiener's laptop incriminated Hillary. Of course all the information he had on Trump wasn't worth a mention before the election, but that's another story. His tummy DID get upset thinking he MIGHT have influenced the election, right?
Stallion
(6,473 posts)in the US the rule of law requires that allegations must be proven in a Court of Law-that is a legal remedy. Watergate took over 2 years to unravel.
The voters screwed up-most of us are going to have to wait about 18 months for a political remedy
defacto7
(13,485 posts)And the GOP know it. As deep as this goes it would probably take longer. But they also know that their only way out is to trash the constitution and remake the US into a "thing" that serves them. They will do whatever it takes to save their sorry asses and that includes throwing over the game board and changing the rules at the cost of everyone else. That's why they can laugh and drink their beer over our dead bodies.
SergeStorms
(19,182 posts)not for Comey! He knew IMMEDIATELY that Anthony Wiener's laptop held evidence that would incriminate Hillary. Just sayin'.
Stallion
(6,473 posts)see how that works
Comey has already revealed that the Trump campaign is under investigation
PJMcK
(21,995 posts)Fuck that.
How about the Hillary Clinton treatment?!
That's what this country needs. These traitorous bastards need to be fully exposed for who they really are.
Leith
(7,808 posts)Unrelenting sneers, vicious lies, and insults from every direction.
Remember the Watergate trial? This is the Susan McDougal treatment:
It's how she was paraded into the courtroom every day, forced to sit there in chains, then paraded back into a jail cell when the kangaroo court was done for the day. THAT Susan McDougal treatment.
oasis
(49,324 posts)The slimy little termite.
PJMcK
(21,995 posts)Leith
(7,808 posts)Whitewater.
In the 90s, I wasn't very political. I was always liberal, just not one to follow politics like now. But the way Starr and cohorts treated Susan McDougal was outrageous. Hannibal Lector got more respect from his jailers than the nonviolent Susan got from hers.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)When he failed to get the results he wanted in pursuing Bill Clinton, he decided to exact a price any way. Among all the evidence collected was a picture of Bill Clinton's private parts. I believe there was some type of scar, or some type of marking in that location, and a picture was taken to be used at his trial.
This was just about the time reporting started heating up on the Internet, and Starr put that photo out there for all the world to see, not just the American people but foreign leaders as well. I was so horrified, all I could think about was one day his daughter would be grown and would search the Internet to find out the details of what had happened during that period of time. I was a young Republican then and that day I left to become a Democrat. I didn't want to in any way be associated with Starr. After a few months, I realized the Democratic party was where I should have always been, I just didn't know it....
But whenever I see or hear Starr's name, I revert to that moment and cringe.
Sam
JudyM
(29,187 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)those were early successes of limbaugh and sons - and they're still doing well destroying democracy and doing shit like turning emails into major scandals, making shit up for putin to troll, getting trump elected and repealing obamacare - because democrats still ignore it
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,812 posts)her persecution and eventual vindication, titled The Woman Who Wouldn't Talk. I actually got to see her in person talking about that book some years back. She is a woman of phenomenal courage and amazing integrity.
notdarkyet
(2,226 posts)triron
(21,984 posts)PJMcK
(21,995 posts)Seriously, recall the Whitewater investigation during President Clinton's administration:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_McDougal
ETA: Were you politically aware during the 1990's?
tenorly
(2,037 posts)whose freewheeling practices cost his business partners in the 1980s, the Clintons, at least $25,000 in losses (and they weren't rich) and would later be used as a catch-all by the GOP in the witch hunts against the Clintons in the '90s.
In a nutshell, Susan McDougal was imprisoned by the "independent" counsel in charge of the Whitewater probe, the now disgraced Ken Starr, in 1998, and was subjected to what amounted to borderline torture in an effort to force her to perjure herself against the Clintons.
Among other things, a television set was kept on, full blast, at night within feet of her cell, and she was deliberately given food she had specifically noted having allergies to. From time to time, she would be paraded in front of the cameras, sometimes for no apparent reason, in her orange jumpsuit and wrist-to-ankle handcuffs.
Ultimately, President Clinton issued her a full pardon just days before leaving office in 2001. The pardon was spun into a scandal in itself, of course - until it was pointed out that Poppy Bush had done the same with the Iran-Cocaine-Contra crowd in '93 without anyone really complaining.
certainot
(9,090 posts)tenorly
(2,037 posts)I remember when hate radio really took off shortly after Clinton was first elected - a political upset which, as you know, came as a real shock to the far-right.
I lived in Mississippi at the time; the passion - and delusions - around that election were beyond belief. They needed some pied piper to lick their wounds for them, and Limbaugh was the right man at precisely the right time.
The irony, of course, was that Poppy Bush was not himself a far right-wing figure (or had much in common with those knuckle-draggers at all, really). But they felt coddled, and they felt Clinton was a "traitor to his race."
Qué será.
certainot
(9,090 posts)and more recently, still, hillary and coming up - susan rice and sally yates
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)and a Federal court in Virginia involved in this.
So something IS ongoing.
But even a relatively simple case like the Watergate break-in and coverup took 2 full years till impeachment. I remember going through the election, knowing that the break-in had occurred, and there was nothing that could be done.
The FBI won't make arrests till every i is dotted and every t is crossed. These things take time.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,812 posts)These sorts of vague hints never lead anywhere. An unnamed source. Yeah, right. And who the hell is Claude Taylor?
Quite frankly the best we can possibly hope for is that the Republicans in charge will tire of Trump's ignorance and bloviating, and will either move to remove him from office or will simply ignore him and start trying to run the country in a responsible manner.
Today on the Terry Gross show, Fresh Air, her guest today, Evan Osnos, "has written an article in the current edition of The New Yorker titled "How Trump Could Get Fired." It examines these efforts and considers the feasibility of ending Trump's presidency." The most interesting part of the interview was when Osnos pointed out that if Trump were actually in the military, and anywhere in line to be dealing with the nuclear codes, he'd have to pass the "Personnel Reliability Program", which assess those people for their emotional stability, and their financial profile. But as President, Trump of course doesn't need to pass that.
Here's a link to the the website. Just click on the listen button. http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/2017/05/04/526860549/fresh-air-for-may-4-2017
And here's a link to the transcript. http://www.npr.org/2017/05/04/526857048/trump-s-fitness-to-serve-is-officially-part-of-the-discussion-in-congress
Fascinating listening and reading.
alfredo
(60,071 posts)JudyM
(29,187 posts)MFM008
(19,803 posts)but sometimes its the only way.
Remember though. no matter what they did and who did it,
maggott can pardon them and himself and walk scott frigging free.
Im beginning to wonder if a silver bullet isnt the best hope.
JUST KIDDING .
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)But if the source has so much knowledge why don't they know if it is 28 or 42? That's a pretty wide spread.
bathroommonkey76
(3,827 posts)Or you could try tweeting @ him on Twitter- sometimes he replies back to his followers.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,812 posts)Stallion
(6,473 posts)I'm a skeptical trial attorney but they are revealing enough facts that have been proven correct before anyone else that their evidence has established certain indicia of reliability. I've been following them for about 2 months and their credibility is growing on the essential thread of the allegations. Someone wants this information out-remain skeptical but I'm encouraged by not only what they predicted in the future but what they have been right about in the past
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,812 posts)When I see that sort of thing I recall Joe McCarthy waving around a piece of paper which supposedly had the names of Communists in the State Department, or wherever. The exact number always varied.
28? 29? 30? 31? 32? 33? 34? 35? 36? 37? 38? 39? 40? 41? 42?
That's a bit of a spread, and makes me very wary of the reliability of that information.
oasis
(49,324 posts)CousinIT
(9,218 posts)...I hope Olbermann is right.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Claude Taylor, Louise Mensch (I know, I know) and Scott Dworkin are must reads for me each day, as is Malcolm Nance.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Caroline O., Clint Watts, Malcolm Nance, Counterchekist, Olga_Lautman NYC, MikeFarb, and others.
womanofthehills
(8,658 posts)Guess I'll add him. I'm always checking Twitter before I even check the day's news and when I'm running errands, like buying groceries, I always check Twitter in the parking lot. I also follow Dr Dena Greyson (Alan Greyson's wife), ELEVENTH, JESTER, Josh Marshall, Andrew C Laufer, Esq, etc. Seems like I'm adding someone every day.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Then I could have my own instantaneous #TrumpRussia news service retweeting everything significant.
pnwest
(3,266 posts)look like jaywalking in comparison...