WI Voter-ID Law Suppressed 200,000, Trump Won by 22,748.

[L. Coyote]

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Any doubts about whether or not the cheating Republicans are destroying democracy can be discarded.

Wisconsin’s Voter-ID Law Suppressed 200,000 Votes in 2016 (Trump Won by 22,748)
A new study shows how voter-ID laws decreased turnout among African-American and Democratic voters.
Ari Berman - May 9, 2017

Prior to the 2016 election, Eddie Lee Holloway Jr., a 58-year-old African-American man, moved from Illinois to Wisconsin, which implemented a strict voter-ID law for the first time in 2016. He brought his expired Illinois photo ID, birth certificate, and Social Security card to get a photo ID for voting in Wisconsin, but the DMV in Milwaukee rejected his application because the name on his birth certificate read “Eddie Junior Holloway,” the result of a clerical error when it was issued. Holloway ended up making seven trips to different public agencies in two states and spent over $200 in an attempt to correct his birth certificate, but he was never able to obtain a voter ID in Wisconsin. Before the election, his lawyer for the ACLU told me he was so disgusted he left Wisconsin for Illinois.

Holloway’s story was sadly familiar in 2016. According to federal court records, 300,000 registered voters, 9 percent of the electorate, lacked strict forms of voter ID in Wisconsin. .............

[The Wielding Truth]

1. They will sell their mother down the river to win.They will cheat. We have to stop them.

[iluvtennis]

31. Nothing but cheats and liars. Can't stand the majority of the GOP

[Hortensis]

2. 87 bills to restrict access to the ballot introduced in 29 states this year.

Okay, this is from The Nation, and the study was commissioned by "Priorities USA, is a progressive advocacy group and Super PAC that supported Clinton in 2016 and Barack Obama in 2012. The study was conducted by Civis Analytics, a data science firm founded by the chief analytics officer for Obama’s reelection campaign in 2012."

So these conclusions need to be replicated and supported by other analysts. But if only 80K votes were suppressed, we of course know they would be predominantly Democrat leaning.

This has to be fixed.

[defacto7]

3. K&R&R

Voter suppression and election fraud are our enemy number one.

[uponit7771]

4. KnR&Bookmarked for those "why do dems lose" post

[ehrnst]

6. Thank you. (nt)

[SoCalDem]

22. Dems lose because

we perpetually file lawsuits, and whine & wring our hands every time the mean ole republicans tighten the restrictions, instead of spending some money beating them at their own game..

1.... new voters should register as republican if they live in a red state/area

2.... DNC should spend whatever it takes to make sure our voters HAVE WHATEVER IS REQUIRED....JUST GET PEOPLE PASSPORTS AND BE DONE WITH IT.. It would surely be cheaper in the long run..

3....as soon as we are in a position to legislate, we MUST address the goofball way districting is done, and the way rules for registering are done..

4....people should be automatically registered to vote as soon as they turn 18..all that should be needed is a bill, or mail showing where you sleep at night

[SalviaBlue]

26. I like your ideas.

[LisaM]

34. While the lawsuits are necessary (and establish legal precedent, which is important)

I completely agree with you that by far the best way to counter this is to automatically enfranchise everyone who's eligible to vote. I think it's time to go at this using a completely different approach.

[ehrnst]

43. We also have to make it harder to disenfranchise voters.

And I have no idea how we do that.

[ehrnst]

42. But...spending "whatever it takes" means soiling our hands with filthy lucre!!!

That is CORPORATIST and NOT PROGRESSIVE!!!!

[ehrnst]

5. But I thought it was completely the fault of her campaign....

[uponit7771]

7. ... don't forget her emails

[wildeyed]

8. She wasn't 'likable' enough...

or the voters who liked her couldn't vote.

[uponit7771]

10. +1

[ehrnst]

46. Yah. (nt)

[hamsterjill]

30. And Benghazi!!

And...all of the other complaints that have been implied but not necessarily spoken outright (i.e., that she's female, that she's older, that she was too infirm).

All of the other bullshit that has been leveled at her.

[Still In Wisconsin]

18. Completely? No, not completely.

But not showing up here even once during the general was a blunder. Not HRC's blunder, mind you, but a blunder on the part of her caqmpaign.

[NBachers]

20. You forgot to use "flawed" three times in your statement.

[ehrnst]

44. My bad. (nt)

[BumRushDaShow]

40. And she was a war monger

and would take us back to war.... (like Drumpf is doing right now... surprise surprise)!

[ehrnst]

45. Of course. (nt)

[wildeyed]

9. Can you add the link? n/t

[Eko]

11. Here is the link

https://www.scribd.com/document/347821649/Priorities-USA-Voter-Suppression-Memo

[JudyM]

13. Thanks. Very interesting.

[CousinIT]

12. LINK:

https://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-suppressed-200000-votes-trump-won-by-23000/

[yallerdawg]

14. So when we see the recent headlines...

Why did Trump win? More whites — and fewer blacks — actually voted there's a definite reason why fewer blacks voted.

[L. Coyote]

15. Exactly. They were not allowed to vote. Republican racism at work.

Used to be they just stole votes ion the inner city, now they also stop people from voting because they keep losing support and need to shave more points to win.

[world wide wally]

16. It;s obvious that Republicans prefer Russian style democracy ..

Like one name on the ballot coupled with opponent intimidation

[SpankMe]

17. Any doubts about whether Republicans are motherfuckers can be discarded.

Or, perhaps there was no doubt about this in the first place.

[Dream Girl]

19. It really pisses me off that all of the post election analysis does not address this at all

The hand wringing about white working class angst and on and on and now the meme about blacks failing to vote. Nary a peep about black people not being allowed to vote. I find the whole thing just sickening.

[GoCubsGo]

37. Yep, and it surely affected downticket races, as well.

[JI7]

49. the court striking down voting rights act got very little attention by the ignorant media

[mountain grammy]

21. Stolen election.. I'll believe it until the day I die..

[Timmygoat]

23. How can it be?

How can it be legal to ask these people to pay taxes, they have the same rights as everyone else and I am sure the rethugs do
not turn away their tax money.

[pansypoo53219]

24. they HAVE to cheat to win. their ideas no longer persuade.

[NewJeffCT]

25. I'm guessing an overwhelming percentage of those 300,000 voters

that didn't have a strict ID are minority voters

[Honeycombe8]

27. Would've been easier to change his driver's license name than his birth certificate.

The name of the b.c. is presumed correct, if it's a certified copy and the copy matches the original.

[a kennedy]

28. Ah shit.......this just makes me sick.

and sorry for using such language.

[BSdetect]

29. They will keep doing this crap.

It requires dedicated monitoring.

They have the SCOTUS now so expect more rubbish like corporations being people. Hey, lets give them votes.

[iluvtennis]

32. Detroit/surrounding areas (majority African American) - votes never counted on election night...

...as 11/12 vote counting machines all failed at the same time. yeah, right they failed. The cheaters declared them broken, hence the votes couldn't be counted. Hillary lost MI by some pittance...count Detroit/surrouding areas and she wins

[L. Coyote]

33. More than 80 voting machines in Detroit malfunctioned on Election Day,

Detroit Voting Machine Failures Were Widespread on Election Day
Charlotte Alter - Dec 13, 2016

More than 80 voting machines in Detroit malfunctioned on Election Day, officials say, resulting in ballot discrepancies in 59% of precincts that raise questions about the reliability of future election results in a city dominated by Democratic and minority voters.

"This is not the first time," adds Daniel Baxter, elections director for the city. "We've had this problem in nearly every election that we administer in the city of Detroit." Baxter says that the machines were tested for accuracy before election day in accordance with state and federal guidelines, but that sometimes the machines "hit up against each other and malfunction" as they're being transported to the precincts.

The machines were optical scanners, meaning they registered and counted the votes marked on paper ballots. Many of the machines jammed over the course of election day, perhaps because Michigan had a two-page ballot this year, which meant that paper ballots were collected but inconsistently recorded by the machines. Michigan does not have early voting, so any mechanical malfunction would necessarily happen on election day, since that's the only day the machines are used. That's why so many machines malfunctioned at the same time. "You don't expect a laptop to last 10 years, and you shouldn't expect a voting machines to last 10 years," says Detroit City Clerk Janice Winfrey.

The errors were found as part of a recount process .......................

[iluvtennis]

35. So since it was a known issue...why not do manual votes...heck lots of ppl would have volunteered...

...to make sure the count was accurate. I'm just so fed up with this hot mess.

[Bettie]

53. And those optical scan ballots are

already paper ballots. Seems like hand counting them could be pretty easily done.

Oh, wait, they don't want them counted.

This makes me so angry!

[GoCubsGo]

36. This also likely affected the Senate race.

As well as some House races, probably. I wonder if those who have been so quick to accuse Hillary of losing because she was a "bad candidate", or "ran a horrible campaign" are saying the same about Russ Feingold, who, no doubt, also likely got screwed over by this.

[L. Coyote]

38. That was a 100,000 vote lose. And an upset in relation to exit and pre-election polling.

I'm suspicious of lots of vote switching in Wisconsin.

[betsuni]

39. K&R

[Gothmog]

41. The GOP uses voter id laws to steal elections

[diva77]

47. WI voters should demand town hall with their state's Secretary of State

get some answers; demand clean elections

[Cha]

48. I knew it! Voter Suppression.. one of the Huge Contributing

Factors to the pervert getting rigged in.

Wisconsin’s Voter-ID Law Suppressed 200,000 Votes in 2016 (Trump Won by 22,748)

https://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-suppressed-200000-votes-trump-won-by-23000/

Thank you for this, Coyote

[Bettie]

54. I'd even say it is the MAIN

factor in that creature roosting in OUR house.

[L. Coyote]

56. Without voter suppression the result would have been different, for sure.

And that can also be said of other factors, I suspect, such as rigging elections.

One aspect of voter suppression is voter caging, identifying liberal voters and removing them from the voter rolls. The then become subject to the difficulty of provisional ballot verification which eliminates more votes. There are various other fronts in the voter suppression war, bad machines, longlines, fewer polling places, moving polling places, less early voting, ............. it really adds up to millions and millions of votes.

[colsohlibgal]

50. It Is More Than Voter ID Laws

CrossCheck....they look for common names in states with laws barring felons...names that overwhelmingly vote democratic. If they have a Bill G Robinson or a Jose H Garcia as felons they apply that to all with that same first and last name across many states.

So if you are a Bill J Robinson in any of those states you show up to vote but you have been unregistered. This con was first used in Florida 2000 and they disenfranchise 10s of thousands or more that way.

Greg Palast has done yeoman work on this but it gets almost no play on our MSM.

[LeftInTX]

51. Can an individual voter sue?

Unfortunately, Holloway moved back to Illinois before the election, so he wouldn't have standing.

I'm sure there are others out there. In order to sue, I believe there needs to be standing or something.


I think the Wisconsin voter ID law challenged in court and I think the state won.

However, would the results be the same if an individual sued?

Can voter data be used in another legal challenge?

[LenaBaby61]

52. Which is why I always say...

That NO Dem--not even Pres. Obama or Bernie would have won the presidency with all that cheating going on.

Dems face some really stiff odds going into 2018, because if the voter suppression was bad in 2016, it'll be a bugga-bear in 2018, and especially so with this crooked tRumputin DOJ lead by putin-loving beauguard riding shot gun to help thuglicans keep right on cheating, and who'd also look the other way or fake an investigation to see if the ruskies were cyber-hacking and cheating us out of elections. So, even if the Dems turn our en mass, thuglicans with help possibly from the ruskies know how to voter-purge, voter-crosscheck, voter-hack away all of those beautiful Dem votes so that the thuglican running can once again win former blue states MI., WI., PA., and who knows what other states they throw in to rub it in on Dems so that they go way over what needed to blow Dems out in 2018 and 2020.

Mentally-declining yet still there enough, racist, ignorant, cheating, scared and maniacal tRumputin thought nothing of firing Comey in the broad-open day light while during Comey's investigation of him, so you know darn well he'd think nothing of allowing, asking and begging his fellow Kleptocracy buddies and blackmailers the ruskies to help him or whoever runs for president from that cheating side win it all again in 2020.

What Dems do exactly to combat the cheating is anyone's guess, because we control NOTHING as of May 10th 2017.

[Gothmog]

55. The GOP is the party of voter suppression and relies on voter suppression to win races

[mcar]

57. Oh but the poor misunderstood WWC voters!!11