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David Frum: "It's a coup." (Original Post) kpete May 2017 OP
This is not a drill. wildeyed May 2017 #1
It's an attempted coup bucolic_frolic May 2017 #2
Yes. Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre backfired on him. He went down. Emboldened the investigation. Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #5
Exactly. herding cats May 2017 #9
Wasn't Nixon facing Democrats? davekriss May 2017 #12
Yes, but it wasn't until Republicans caved that Nixon resigned. Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #13
Every moment they wait they drop seats in 2018. byronius May 2017 #15
Yes. Got put pressure on Republicon members to smell tRump's toxic fumes and cough. Repeatedly. . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #16
I've long thought that appointing Chao was a way to co-opt the Turtle worstexever May 2017 #34
Yup. Chao was a payoff. McCONnell is complicit & will not hurt a hair on tRump ass. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #36
This is what I think. DT has a full deck & Scummy Sessions as AG Alice11111 May 2017 #29
Americans don't have a majority in the House OR the Senate. dchill May 2017 #17
TPM reports the Trump WH is surprised DeminPennswoods May 2017 #27
WH stupid enough to believe Dems stupid enough to believe Comey fired for being too hard on Hillary. Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #28
At least CNN is calling it clearly! Alice11111 May 2017 #30
No. Trump is a boss who legally fired an underling. Hortensis May 2017 #23
Beautiful post, thank you N/T KatyMan May 2017 #24
Hmmm... him and Gloria Borger said it. BumRushDaShow May 2017 #3
sure it is madokie May 2017 #4
Wow. To have this word spoken so plainly, in America. Barack_America May 2017 #6
If Republicans stand behind Trump, it is a coup. kentuck May 2017 #7
And how are coups stopped? superpatriotman May 2017 #8
Representative Government, Call Now! BBG May 2017 #32
The success of this attempted coup will depend on whether the Senate realizes it's a co-equal branch Hekate May 2017 #10
he may well be right. spanone May 2017 #11
Would that be called unrecusal, disrecusal or... dchill May 2017 #18
If it's a crime, who's going to prosecute it? Wednesdays May 2017 #37
So is this the Tuesday Night Bowling Green Massacre then? calimary May 2017 #14
Please don't make jokes about the dead. dchill May 2017 #19
Good thing Trump didnt lie about sex. Then the GOP would have to do something. L. Coyote May 2017 #20
I thought we knew it was a coup when FatAss installed his cabinet. BlancheSplanchnik May 2017 #21
Reminds me of Nixon except DownriverDem May 2017 #22
But initially the GOPers defended Nixon and tried to downplay Watergate The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #26
Yes. Most of these are cold blooded, just give us our tax cuts Alice11111 May 2017 #35
That's sure what it feels like tonight n/t radical noodle May 2017 #25
Here's some relevent info from the New Yorker DeminPennswoods May 2017 #31
At *****LAST***** nt LaydeeBug May 2017 #33

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,965 posts)
5. Yes. Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre backfired on him. He went down. Emboldened the investigation.
Tue May 9, 2017, 07:57 PM
May 2017


It's "attempted" at this point. Only Americans can save America.

davekriss

(4,616 posts)
12. Wasn't Nixon facing Democrats?
Tue May 9, 2017, 08:06 PM
May 2017

In 1973, the Senate and House both had Democratic majorities (I could be wrong).

In 2017, Trump is facing a friendly and probably complicit Senate and House.

I don't think this is the beginning of the end for Trump, but we may well be far along the collapse of our democracy.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,965 posts)
13. Yes, but it wasn't until Republicans caved that Nixon resigned.
Tue May 9, 2017, 08:11 PM
May 2017

Yes, Democratic majorities in House and Senate in 73-74.

tRump is rapidly becoming even more toxic for Republicons than he already is.

McCONnell is implicated and will not go against tRump. His wife got a payoff with a cabinet appointment.

But enough Republicons will desert tRump that he will go down.


worstexever

(265 posts)
34. I've long thought that appointing Chao was a way to co-opt the Turtle
Tue May 9, 2017, 09:48 PM
May 2017

Let's hope there are a few decent Republicans left. My hopes are pretty dim at this point.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
29. This is what I think. DT has a full deck & Scummy Sessions as AG
Tue May 9, 2017, 09:38 PM
May 2017

Nixon had a different set up and Repugs were generally reasonable and patriotic. Most of these only see tax cuts and could care less if DT'S a crook, which he clearly is and has been.

DeminPennswoods

(15,265 posts)
27. TPM reports the Trump WH is surprised
Tue May 9, 2017, 09:35 PM
May 2017

at the furious backlash. Apparently they thought Dems would be happy Comey was fired for his public statements re: Clinton email investigation.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. No. Trump is a boss who legally fired an underling.
Tue May 9, 2017, 09:14 PM
May 2017

Of course, the reasons are almost certainly attempted obstruction of justice, but that's another matter.

Given the state right-wing politics has come to, it shouldn't be hard for Rump to replace Comey with another conservative both corrupt enough to serve him and foolish enough to deliberately pick up a go-to-jail card.

As for Comey, we shouldn't be fooled by whatever scoundrel takes his place into forgetting that he misused his great power, betrayed his nation, and is dirty as hell. He couldn't be trusted to head the investigation into the Rump-Russia connection, and he needed firing because we should never allow such a person such power.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
4. sure it is
Tue May 9, 2017, 07:57 PM
May 2017

the wheels of this coup began with the selection of little boots and shooter. Finalized with the stealing of this last election

superpatriotman

(6,246 posts)
8. And how are coups stopped?
Tue May 9, 2017, 08:01 PM
May 2017

Is there anyone with balls in Congress, Justice or law enforcement who will stop this coup?

I can't do it.

BBG

(2,526 posts)
32. Representative Government, Call Now!
Tue May 9, 2017, 09:42 PM
May 2017

You are a constituent, you have senators and representatives, ring their bells.

Hekate

(90,563 posts)
10. The success of this attempted coup will depend on whether the Senate realizes it's a co-equal branch
Tue May 9, 2017, 08:03 PM
May 2017

...of the US Federal Government and acts accordingly.

Resist.

spanone

(135,795 posts)
11. he may well be right.
Tue May 9, 2017, 08:05 PM
May 2017

when the white house owns the justice department you can do no wrong

sessions recused himself....sounds like he just re-inserted himself

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
21. I thought we knew it was a coup when FatAss installed his cabinet.
Tue May 9, 2017, 08:58 PM
May 2017

I can see it in hindsight, but for those quicker than me, on election night when the momentum for Hillary suddenly did a 180.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,609 posts)
26. But initially the GOPers defended Nixon and tried to downplay Watergate
Tue May 9, 2017, 09:26 PM
May 2017

as just a "third-rate burglary." IIRC, it wasn't until the Saturday Night Massacre, which was about 16 months after the break-in, that Republicans in Congress started breaking away from Nixon. When the GOPers start stepping in Trump's shit and can't scrape it off their shoes, they'll do the same thing. This event might be the start of it.

DeminPennswoods

(15,265 posts)
31. Here's some relevent info from the New Yorker
Tue May 9, 2017, 09:41 PM
May 2017

Link: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/05/08/how-trump-could-get-fired

By far the most valuable lessons about impeachment come from Richard Nixon. In 1974, Nixon resigned shortly before he could be impeached, but his misjudgments—political, psychological, and legal—have illuminated the risks to Presidents ever since. In 1972, Nixon’s White House oversaw the bugging of the Democratic National Committee offices at the Watergate complex and the ensuing coverup. That was illegal and unethical, but it did not guarantee Nixon’s downfall, which came about because of two critical mistakes.

First, when the scandal emerged, the President underestimated the threat. “There were any number of steps that could have made it go away,” Evan Thomas, the author of “Being Nixon,” told me. “They could have cleaned house and fired people.” But Nixon assumed that his supporters would never believe the accusations. “He was ahead by thirty-four points in the polls in August, 1972,” Thomas went on. “He could have taken his clothes off and run around the White House front yard and he was going to win reëlection.”

As the scandal ground on, Nixon made his second mistake: he flouted the authority of a coequal branch of government. In October, 1973, Nixon refused to obey a federal appellate-court ruling that ordered him to turn over tapes of conversations in the Oval Office, and he forced out the investigation’s special prosecutor, Archibald Cox. For nine months, Nixon continued to resist—in effect threatening the basic constitutional system—until, in July, 1974, the Supreme Court ruled that he had to comply. By then, the damage was done, and the House Judiciary Committee launched impeachment hearings. By thwarting other branches, Nixon weakened his support in Congress and convinced the country that he had something to hide. Until that point, much of the public had not focussed on the slow, complex investigation, but interviews at the time show that Nixon’s stonewalling made people pay attention, and he never recovered. “Well, everything has added up to his incompetence over the last few months, and I don’t think the American people should stand for it any longer,” a woman interviewed in New York by the Associated Press said. “In fact, I just signed an impeach petition.”

By August, many of his top aides had been indicted, and polls showed that fifty-seven per cent of the public believed that Nixon should be removed from office. On August 6th, after a tape recording surfaced which captured him orchestrating the coverup, he was abandoned by Republicans who had previously derided the Watergate scandal as a witch hunt. Senator Barry Goldwater, of Arizona, told colleagues, “Nixon should get his ass out of the White House—today!” On August 9th, Nixon sent a letter to Secretary of State Henry Kissinger: “Dear Mr. Secretary, I hereby resign the Office of President of the United States. Sincerely, Richard Nixon.”
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