If you hate Louise, you'll really hate this! Hatch getting security briefings

[elias7]

https://patribotics.blog/2017/05/13/trumps-presidency-ended-may-9th-hatch-getting-security-briefings/

Exclusive: Several sources familiar with the matter say that Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah is being given security briefings to prepare him for the Presidency.

Sources close to the legal community indicate that matters are proceeding rapidly in the forthcoming proceedings to remove Donald Trump from office, and to indict the co-conspirators around him.

Sources with links to the intelligence community described a sense of both inevitability and urgency over the unraveling of the Trump-Pence administration over their attempts to obstruct justice. “Trump’s presidency ended May 9th,” said one source, referring to the overtly politicized dismissal of FBI Director James Comey.

Donald Trump and Mike Pence have both violated their oaths of office in plain sight over the unconstitutional dismissal of Director Comey, these sources say, and elements of the Judicial Branch are asserting the separation of powers described in the Constitution. This matter is separate from, and additional to, the substantive charges of collusion with the Russian state, and of money-laundering, sedition, violation of the Logan Act, and other crimes with which both Trump and Pence may be charged. As I exclusively reported earlier this week, Speaker Paul Ryan, normally third in the line of succession, will be excluded as the intelligence community has an intercept in which Ryan openly admits that he knew Sergei Kislyak was washing Russian money into the GOP. This will convict Ryan on RICO charges; as I have also exclusively reported this week, a RICO case exists against the GOP as a body. The raids earlier this week on a data and consulting firm close to Paul Manafort formed part of evidence gathering in this RICO case.

[Eliot Rosewater]

1. Dont believe a word of it but would give many of my dollars to make it so.

[Bleacher Creature]

26. Agree with every word of this. Perfect response. NT

[hrmjustin]

2. I don't hate her.

I just take her with a grain of salt.

[nycbos]

8. Thank you

It is not hate tone slightly skeptical of uncorroborated information.

[snooper2]

51. Better take it with a dump truck load of salt LOL

Basic facts are wrong with this stupid blog-

"Donald Trump and Mike Pence have both violated their oaths of office in plain sight over the unconstitutional dismissal of Director Comey, these sources say, and elements of the Judicial Branch are asserting the separation of powers described in the Constitution."



It wasn't "unconstitutional"- If stupid writer can't get that basic fact straight ...Well...

[leftynyc]

70. If degenerate donnie

did it to stop the investigation into Russia, yes, it was unconstitutional as it constitutes obstruction of justice. That's all this is saying.

[Cosmocat]

68. I want go think she is wired in a bit, but she is FAR too loose with definitive statements

of impeachment, in addition to things like this about 45 being "removed from office."

There is one way and one way only that he gets impeached or "removed" and it takes the House drawing up and voting to approve articles of impeachment and the Senate then voting in the affirmative of his guilt of specific charges that rise to the level of impeaching him.

There is no secrete or magic individual or group of individuals, there is an insanely partisan (and many likewise compromised) asshole republicans who would not remove 45 or any R at this point in congress ...

[brush]

3. Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!

Maybe this is why Ryan and McConnell are so silent.

Must have their attorneys on speed dial even if this report is not completely accurate.

Some of the fallout from trump/Russia is going to touch them.

[Wellstone ruled]

14. There will be more coming on this little stink bomb.

Russian money going to Ryan and McConnell as well as captured e-mails used in Election Campaigns. Mensch and Steele are the real deal. Just follow the Foreign Press.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. He's third in the line of succession.

Chump, Pence, and Lyin would have to be removed concurrently.

[wishstar]

7. Logical explanation as to why he gets security briefings is because he is third in line

As designated survivor , he didn't attend inauguration and the fact he gets security briefings is not necessarily indicative of anything earth shaking about to occur.

[onenote]

5. "Sources" say is another version "some people say"

I sincerely doubt there is a word of truth to this.

[onenote]

6. How did Pence violate his oath of office when Trump fired Comey?

And how was the dismissal of Comey "unconstitutional"?

And if there aren't enough repubs ready to ask for a special prosecutor, how is it that Trump, Pence and Ryan are so close to being removed from office?

Oh, I know. It's because this story is crapola.

[bucolic_frolic]

41. Perhaps

obstruction. Making the investigation go away, as has been publicly admitted,
after providing nonsense reasons for 3 days.

[onenote]

43. Good luck proving Pence obstructed justice.

He didn't make the decision. He didn't even have authority to make the decision. And the nonsense explanations don't create "obstruction of justice" -- the only thing that does is whether, as a factual matter, firing Comey constituted obstruction of justice.

And where was it admitted that firing Comey has made the investigation go away?

[bucolic_frolic]

44. Nixon tried something similar

that worked well for him

[onenote]

46. We're talking about Pence, not Trump

Nixon was president. He had the authority to make the decisions he made. Pence had no authority.

Plus, the Saturday Night Massacre occurred in October 1973. It wasn't until February 1974 that the House authorized an impeachment investigation and it wasn't until July, that three (out of five) impeachment articles were approved by committee.

And remember, the Democrats had a solid majority in the House at the time.

We're a long ways off from Trump being removed from office and Mensch's recent report that Hatch is getting security briefings in anticipation of the imminent removal of Trump, Pence and Ryan is absurd.

[LeftyMom]

9. That's just dumb.

Even if Trump, Pence and Ryan were all removed from office, it would not happen simultaneously and the House would rush to name a new Speaker to be next in line for the job.

[bucolic_frolic]

42. But suppose

it did happen instantly, all the same day, for legal reasons. That is Mensch's
scenario. The remaining Congress, even some Republicans, would turn
against them to save their own hides.

[vi5]

10. Who is this Louise person I'm now supposed to like and/or support?

I can't keep up around here.

Comey is bad!
Comey needs our support!

Angela Merkel is bad!
Angela Merkel is good because she gave Trump the side-eye!!

Leaks are bad!
Leaks are good!!!

I had no idea who this Louise person was but now they seem to be someone who is inspiring a lot of finger wagging posts telling me I have to support her?

I'm getting whiplash from this place to be honest with you so maybe I'm glad I don't know who this is or was.

[Kentonio]

21. Louise Mensch

Is an ex-conservative politician who worked hard to crap all over anything liberal or progressive in the UK, and is now supposedly a liberal and progressive hero because she's trying to make a name for herself by taking down Trump.

Hope this helps with the whiplash problem.

[Charlotte Little]

27. Not a fan of Louise...

...but she is not "now supposedly a liberal and progressive hero." Most Ls & Ps despise her as she is very far right and supports Brexit.

She's also BSC. But...and there is a but...she's gotten some tiddly bits correct in her "reporting" (or whatever you want to call it). Luck? Maybe. I think she may have real sources but then embellishes. She never admits she's wrong, which I find dubious and typical of hyper-egos.

Take her with a grain of salt, but don't dismiss her entirely.

[vi5]

34. Oh, so I was right.....

....Maybe all the very serious people who know what is best and who get to decide what we support and don't support can keep a handy list of what is and is not o.k. at any given moment for me to reference.

I mean I always operated under the assumption that I was a liberal and a progressive who supported those who would advance and advocate for liberal and progressive causes that I believe in and opposed those who did not. But from what I understand that is no longer the case and I simply have to listen to the very serious people who apparently took all these great civics classes and who get to determine when it is and is not o.k. to be a complete hypocrite and to contradict myself.

[Charlotte Little]

47. uh...

...not sure if that was intended for me or not.

All I'm saying is that the woman is BSC but may very well be on to some legit info. In fact, her sources may be very credible. Or, it could all be in her head.

But I'm not one of the "very serious people who apparently took all these great civics classes and who get to determine when it is and is not o.k." I'm just giving my two cents.

By the way, I'm not a progressive or liberal...or democrat. I'm a free-wheeler (fancy name for independent). What I am, however, is a die-hard Hillary supporter. We (America) got robbed of everything. Nothing left on us but our socks.

[vi5]

48. Not intended for you, at all. Just the general vibe on here....

Sorry for any confusion.

It's just this constant changing of who "we" are and what "we" stand for, and who "we" support, and what is and is not acceptable based on whether it advances our goals and regardless of whether or not it is right that starts to upset and frustrate me.

[Egnever]

63. So when republicans advance rush Limbaugh spews nonsense

and republicans repeat it they are just supporting someone who advances republican causes right?

Just lining up behind the team despite everything he says being complete horseshit. Truth doesn't matter anymore as long as it advances the team am I right?

[vi5]

69. Uh....I don't think I said that......

That's my point. This Louise person seems to be someone who previously had been considered a full of shit conservative commentator. And now she seems to be spewing horseshit just for clicks, and because it sounds favorable to "our side" it's o.k.? And people on here are getting mad at others for not supporting her?

[Thomas Hurt]

11. Liberal, political end-times porn

The apocalypse of the GOP......it is exciting but just an arousing story.

[procon]

12. And who authorized security briefings for Hatch?

Isn't that the prerogative of the president to decide who gets those top level briefings? So, we're supposed to believe that Trump approved cutting Hatch in because he knows his days are numbered... or maybe it was Trump's lapdog, Sessions that did it???

Meh... Nancy Drew Mysteries have better plotlines than this fiction.

[HopeAgain]

57. I heard it was Elvis... nt

[byronius]

13. I believe every goddamned word she says.

Mostly because it has the ring of truth.

Wish-fulfillment? Well, duh. So far, she's been stellar spot on. My wife the journalist with the standard journalist's 'believe nothing' credo says so.

And the horde of 'don't listen to Louise!' posters makes me think it's on the verge. One of the tells is the tendency to purposefully obfuscate corroborated facts and misstate procedure. Hyperbolic pleas to look away because it 'hurts our credibility'. This crew is really sharp, much better than the old 'Purge the Party' trolls, but they all echo the same script.

Lot of Democratic Undergrounders these days with blank icons insisting that it's all so silly and we better stick to submitting to Doom.

Yeah. Pardon me while I watch the Collapse of King White Nationalism.

[Batship]

30. I believe her, too.

I don't necessarily believe that what she says isn't subject to changing events, but she's been right enough times that at least it brightens my day when she drops a bombshell. And believe me, I'm happy to take the day-brightening wherever I can get it. It's not like Sean Spicer's hiding in the bushes every day for my entertainment and schadenfreude!

Sorry. I meant 'among bushes.'

[jberryhill]

52. Okay, so why did Russia fund BLM protests in Ferguson

Link to tweet

You believe every word of that, correct?

[byronius]

66. Interesting. 'BLM protests?' I don't see that in the tweet. But the other idea --

It would be smart asymmetrical warfare to do just that. I'll have to stay tuned.

Sometime the actual truth is really, really scary. And people get scared by it. And that fear makes them hate the teller of the tale.

I think she's been demonstrably correct on what's happening, and speculatively fascinating but not necessarily perfect on what's going to happen.

I don't understand the objection to using Mensch's info as one of many information sources. And the longer she goes on, the more verifiable it all gets, because it's becoming public knowledge.

So -- you think I should look away? Not consider her as a source at all? Not read the tweets? Not speculate in any fashion?

Why?

[HopeAgain]

55. Listen all you want...

But accusing people who are skeptical of being trolls is intellectually weak.

[byronius]

65. It's all in the hyperbole. Skepticism, fine. 'Complete fantasy that will kill us all', not.

Coupla newbies with blank avatars making this the Central Issue Of Our Day -- shrilly proclaiming that we shall not listen to a single word they say or face our death because it matters most what Republicans will think of us --

Mineral Man can express himself on this issue and I do not flinch at all; it's a reasonable skepticism he expresses.

Others -- I can read the subtext pretty clearly, and it's an agenda.

[MineralMan]

15. This is not news. It is merely a story made up of whole cloth

and attributed to a series of unnamed "sources," who may or may not even exist.

This is bullshit writing. Anyone could write similar material who understand how a news story is put together. I give it zero credibility for its lack of identifiable sources.

[frogmarch]

18. +1

Yep.

[Chimichurri]

24. she'd say you were a 'Putinbot' for pointing

Out the obvious.

Here she is libeling Democracy Now and ProPublica as Russian shills
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7dWHKFVAAAVj1j?format=jpg&name=large

She should be taken with a grainof salt, to say the least

[MineralMan]

25. I pretty much don't take her with anything.

She's not to my taste.

[jberryhill]

54. BLM is also a Russian front

Link to tweet

[Itchinjim]

16. Fitzmas.

[Buckeyeblue]

17. If this were true...

It would quite possibly throw the country into a major tailspin that I don't know we could recover from. 35% of the country would never believe it. There would be massive violance and rioting. The markets would go into a free fall.

I want 45 out of office. And Pence scares me to death. But to have a scandal on this scale would be devistating.

And Hatch does not have the leadership skills to pull the country together.

[former9thward]

73. Its not true. It is fake news.

If you have any money in the market please don't make investment decisions based on what you read in the latest tweet that get posted here.

[WePurrsevere]

19. Hatch maybe getting security briefings but...

It's probably not because he'd end up president if Trump goes. Pence would become president and he would choose his VP unless Pence left first a la Agnes in which case Trump would choose a new VP and it could be pretty much anyone who qualifies.

If by some chance Trump AND Pence were to spontaneously combust then Ryan would be sworn in and he'd get to choose his VP. The only way at this time for Hatch to become president is if the all three before him went at the same time which has about as much chance happening as my living to be 100 given my health issues.

Line of Succession:
1 Vice President - Mike Pence (R)
2 Speaker of the House of Representatives - Paul Ryan (R)
3 President pro tempore of the Senate - Orrin Hatch (R)
4 Secretary of State - Rex Tillerson (R)

I don't know enough about Louise to like or dislike her but I take sources for news and info with a good lick of salt until proven and even I don't 100% trust anyone to be 100% accurate all the time. It's nice to have 'faith' but a touch or two of skepticism is smart and healthy IMO.

[ucrdem]

20. Sounds like her NewsCorp pals are mad about Comey.

They were mad when Barack fired McChrystal, too.

[Foamfollower]

22. Hatch wuld get security briefings by virtue of his leadership position in the Senate.

[MedusaX]

23. Try this approach... take what is presented and compare it to other information you have...

or know to be reliable....

So, for example, through my research I know that at least 2 Grand Juries have been convened and that they are both RICO & identified as having Diversity Jurisdiction ...
but only one is focused on RICO issues tied to violations of Foreign Agents Act


Multiple sources over time have indicated that audio of Ryan & McConnell exists.. re: discussion of knowing about GOP campaign funds being washed fluffed & folded

I also know that there have been two distinct arenas of investigational focus:
criminal and impeachable

This is simply the equivalent of investigational multi tasking....
Some "evidence" goes in one pile or the other
And some goes in both piles....


The post says ...
'separate from acts...for which Pence & Trump MAY be charged'
When referencing the potential oath of office violations (regarding separation of powers) associated with the firing of Comey given the ongoing investigations and underlying motivations behind the firing ....

So, when I evaluated the information, I found that
1. It was consistent with other information

2. It clearly indicates the potential for charges.. without asserting that charges are certain...

3. I recognize that The Source is passing along information as she received it...
and offering additional details to provide the context necessary to make sense of the new information.

4. She obviously has a source or two that have access to their country's IC data...
and she has consistently been ahead of domestic reports ....
Which makes sense given the fact that our own IC is relying heavily on foreign intell resources

Overall... it is quite likely that, given all of the other issues in play,
pence & trump screwed themselves royally
by firing Comey then lying about motives then revealing true motives.... as it is the true motives which are problematic....

But we each must engage in such informational analysis for ourselves rather than rely on the opinions of others......

[gibraltar72]

28. Extremely well put.

Being first with a story doesn't make you wrong. Makes others seem kinda slow. Both she and Claude have some credibility. One thing I notice is who else follows or contributes. Some pretty heavy hitters follow her.

[lostnfound]

31. Cause of action in the RICO case is 28:1332 which google says is diversity breach of contract

https://patribotics.blog/2017/05/06/exclusive-six-fisa-warrants-granted-in-trump-russia-cases/
Does that make any sense to you, because it doesn't to me...

[elias7]

32. nice algorithm for processing new data

About a dozen twitterers (including claude, schindler, mensch, the jester, eleventh, counterchekist, and more) are getting info and passing info - clearly with certain expertises, such as mad computer skills or intelligence connections. Keith Olbermann has placed faith in Claude Taylor. Taylor has faith in Louise Mensch, and so forth. MSM waits for corroboration, but most of these things have come to pass.

I'm certainly in the wishful thinking, but I'll believe it when I see it camp, but I have found these folks are verrry careful with language and careful to state when they are speculating rather than sourcing. Many folks have trouble with anonymous sourcing and I get that, but detective work goes better if an idea can be spurred by a speculation rather than there having been no spark at all. This is an amazing group effort.

[colbertforpresident]

37. I agree with much of

what you say regarding these folks because I too follow them but I can't see this story being true. Trump would have to first be impeached and that takes considerable time.

[bucolic_frolic]

39. One

really must go back a few days and read hours of Twitter posts and articles
to assemble all the data. I'll believe it when i see it too. Basically, enough
indictments over the money trails that have been followed can clean house.
But, but, but, they actually have to happen for this to go anywhere, and
managing the shakeout politically, domestically, foreign would need to be
coordinated.

Britain has produced some of the very best political and mystery writers in the world,
perhaps because they are steeped in that culture of language and laws, the great
gifts of Britain to civilization. I think any line between reality and wishful thinking is
unknown at this point.

[byronius]

50. +1000

[onenote]

74. Could you provide links to the product of your research

For example, links to whatever establishes that 2 grand juries have been established that are considering RICO violations by Trump himself as well as his associates.

Also, a link to whatever establishes that a grand jury is looking into non-criminal but "impeachable" actions would be useful.

[Fla Dem]

29. Tump and Pence would have to be removed from office simultaneously for Hatch to be elevated.

If Trump removed, and Pence made President, he could quickly name a VP before he is removed from office. That VP would then become President.

[bucolic_frolic]

35. Appointed Vice Presidents must be confirmed by the Senate

Which would be in no mood to listen to Pence if Mensch's complex scenario unfolds,
if not only because he would no longer be in office.

[bucolic_frolic]

33. "We must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."

- Benjamin Franklin

[colbertforpresident]

36. I wish but....

A president can't be arrested before being impeached. If those that are his successors are charged with a crime they do not have to resign. They can do so after trial. It will take quite some time to bring this all to trial. For these reasons I can't believe that story.

[Takket]

38. people... you can't believe this stuff........

Have you read the "about" link on this site? It doesn't even say who the "journalists" writing for it are. But they will take your paypal donation. I'm sure the cost of hosting a blog and wiring a few paragraphs every day is astronomical. Do you really believe some ex-UK Con has sources deep inside the government with knowledge of things like Hatch's security briefings? The link above doesn't even have a writing credit!!!

Put your wishful thinking aside and question the legitimacy of this. We laugh at Cons for listening to Alex Jones and complain that facts and proof mean nothing to them. Don't get in the same boat as them.

[bucolic_frolic]

40. Never

discount the global IC community. They probably even read us.

[Feathery Scout]

45. No WAY the Republican Party Donors will give up Paul Ryan. Do not believe this.

[eShirl]

49. I think someone's using her as a mouthpiece for strategic leaks

but just because one bit of info is true doesn't mean all or most of them are true

it's a puzzle, and this is a rainy Sunday

[ATL Ebony]

53. GREAT. If this is true . . . pls include Sessions too, don't let him escape.

[WoonTars]

56. Merry Fitzmas everyone!!!

I'll wait till these chickens have actually hatched TYVM...

[beaglelover]

71. +1,000,001

[Hassin Bin Sober]

64. This is getting ridiculous.

She's trolling.

[Oneironaut]

67. Counting down until Mensch goes full Reptilian.

[Orsino]

72. That's silly. Succession falls on the senior Reptoid, not necessaily Hatch. n/t