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Hey Gen. McMaster, you ever dance with the devil in the pale moon light? (Original Post) DefenseLawyer May 2017 OP
McMaster's statement was accurate Phoenix61 May 2017 #1
That's some great spin DefenseLawyer May 2017 #2
Military officers are exceptionally gifted at spin Phoenix61 May 2017 #4
He would likely face a court martial if he refused a direct order. nycbos May 2017 #7
Yep, Phoenix61 May 2017 #10
Not if he was ordered to violate the UCMJ nt geek tragedy May 2017 #11
I was just following orders. DefenseLawyer May 2017 #13
The problem is what Trump did wasn't illegal. nycbos May 2017 #15
I think the point is that is statement... nycbos May 2017 #5
Exactly! nt Phoenix61 May 2017 #8
Do you think he served his country by giving that carefully worded statement? DefenseLawyer May 2017 #9
Being active duty puts him in a no win situation. nycbos May 2017 #17
He didn't lie but his intention was to mislead. DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #12
H.R. flushed his integrity down the toilet the story was not false MattP May 2017 #3
Let's wait and see. Maybe he's a mole. lostnfound May 2017 #19
You need the clip BumRushDaShow May 2017 #6
He recently attended the Colin Powell School of Selling One's Integtity. WinkyDink May 2017 #14
Let's not forget Captain_New_York May 2017 #16
Should I hum "God Bless America" while I read that? DefenseLawyer May 2017 #18

Phoenix61

(16,994 posts)
1. McMaster's statement was accurate
Tue May 16, 2017, 08:42 AM
May 2017

It just didn't address what the Post reported. Just a guess, he agreed to make a statement but refused to lie.

Phoenix61

(16,994 posts)
4. Military officers are exceptionally gifted at spin
Tue May 16, 2017, 08:53 AM
May 2017

I had no idea how political the military was until I worked for them for ten years. McMaster, cleverly IMO, found a way to follow orders and keep his integrity. He is active duty and refusing a direct order, with no cover, doesn't seem like a viable option. Bet he's putting his retirement package together.

Phoenix61

(16,994 posts)
10. Yep,
Tue May 16, 2017, 09:00 AM
May 2017

He could say it was on the grounds he was being ordered to lie but if everyone else is lying he would be toast.

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
15. The problem is what Trump did wasn't illegal.
Tue May 16, 2017, 09:18 AM
May 2017

The President has the authority to declassify info.

I gather that will change as a result out this conversation. I told think the people who wrote those regulations ever thought we would have a president who was willing to put our security at risk because of boasting.

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
5. I think the point is that is statement...
Tue May 16, 2017, 08:53 AM
May 2017

... was technically the truth. Sources and methods weren't discussed. The Post article never said they were. The information was revealed in away that the source could be traced.

The WH has been caught lying many times.

That is why McMaster chose his words VERY carefully.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
9. Do you think he served his country by giving that carefully worded statement?
Tue May 16, 2017, 08:59 AM
May 2017

Giving political cover to the President by intentionally misleading the country, knowing full well what had actually happened? "Oh but I didn't lie, my statement was technically accurate". I'm not impressed.

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
17. Being active duty puts him in a no win situation.
Tue May 16, 2017, 09:23 AM
May 2017

If he was a civilian he could up and quit.


I don't know if he has that option.

MattP

(3,304 posts)
3. H.R. flushed his integrity down the toilet the story was not false
Tue May 16, 2017, 08:47 AM
May 2017

He should have stepped up to thr mic and resigned and he would have gone down in in history as a hero instead of a footnote

lostnfound

(16,162 posts)
19. Let's wait and see. Maybe he's a mole.
Tue May 16, 2017, 09:42 AM
May 2017

Doesn't really have the resume for it but who knows. These are strange times.

Captain_New_York

(161 posts)
16. Let's not forget
Tue May 16, 2017, 09:20 AM
May 2017

Gen McMaster was active duty and could not turn down the NSA job without leaving the Army, he probably thought that it was better for the country to have at least one adult in the room than the barrel of monkeys ( my apologies to monkeys) currently swinging around the white house. Personally he was in a Lose/Lose situation, his motivation was more than likely to keep the country from destruction

Think about it, all military is not evil and many have sacrificed life, limb, mental health, family and finances to serve this country. Gen McMaster is one of them

BTW, this comes from the vantage point of an Paratrooper Enlisted Medic, Armor Officer, Son/Grandson of a long line of Officers & father of a West Point grad active duty officer. As any organization the military has faults and all members have their failings. Gen McMaster is not perfect in anyway; but, I would not attack his character

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
18. Should I hum "God Bless America" while I read that?
Tue May 16, 2017, 09:27 AM
May 2017

Sorry, but playing "sacrifice of dead soldiers" card to defend a guy just because he's in the military doesn't fly with me. You either act with integrity or you don't. Yeah, he was in a tough spot. We've all been in tough spots. You either act with integrity or you don't. That's like to people that defend a cop that murders someone by saying "Police risk their lives every day". Yes, they do. That doesn't excuse on of them murdering someone.

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