Turley is saying this does not rise to the level of obstruction of justice.

[Foamfollower]

He says since no grand jury is empaneled, it does not rise to the level of obstruction of justice. HE says it is an abuse of power, but not obstruction.

I guess he didn't get the Mensch and Carter memos.

[LexVegas]

1. Turley is a piece of shit. Guess you didn't get the memo.

[Foamfollower]

2. I didn't say he wasn't.

Point being, there is no grand jury.

[LexVegas]

3. It's been one day. nt

[Foamfollower]

4. No. Grand. Jury.

That means there are NO indictments.

[LexVegas]

6. How. Does. He. Know.

[Foamfollower]

8. How does Mensch and Carter know there IS a grand jury?

[LexVegas]

9. I. Don't. Know. Thats. Why. I. Don't. Start. Posts. Shitting. On. Them.

[Foamfollower]

10. I didn't shit on them.

They shat themselves.

[LexVegas]

11. So you like Turley better. Nice.

[Foamfollower]

13. As a matter of fact, I do.

His approach is legitimate even if I disagree with him

[Demsrule86]

18. Interesting that this poster thinks it is important to note that someone doesn't think this

rises to the level of impeachment...one guy.

[Adrahil]

14. Listened to the segment....

To be fair, he said he did not think there was a grand jury, not that there definitely wasn't one.

Maybe he is right that a the presence of a grand jury matters, but he never mentioned that Comey was then actually FIRED, and Trump stated in an interview that his handled of Trump-Russia was a reason. That seems to change the calculus to me, but I am not a lawyer.

[Demsrule86]

19. Actually, there may or may not be indictments.

But you still are fighting hard...but against whom?

[Demsrule86]

20. There is a grand jury in Northern Virginia and we know they have subpoenad Paul Manaford's

financial records...did you hear about the interest free loan with no payments...given to Manaford (bribe) after he left the campaign...from a company that Trump and a Ukrainian person owns?

[Demsrule86]

22. Yet you breathlessly repeat the words of a person you appear to agree is a

"piece of shit'. I can't see why you want to do that.

[Foamfollower]

28. I repeated them because the point is, THERE IS NO GRAND JURY!

Hence, Mensch and Carter are full of shit.

[Demsrule86]

31. There is a grand jury in northern Virginia.

From the Wall Street journal which has done some good reporting lately.

http://dennismichaellynch.com/wsj-unnamed-sources-say-manafort-widening-probe/

[Foamfollower]

32. That's not from the WSJ, that's a blog post commenting on an article from the WSJ

[Demsrule86]

33. And your point?

It is still based on a WSJ article...impossible to understand your POV.

[mythology]

15. I didn't realize disagreeing with you made somebody a piece of shit

You present zero evidence. Just childish name calling. It says a lot about you.

[geek tragedy]

24. Suing Barack Obama on behalf of John Boehner and House Republicans does

make him a piece of shit. Same douchenozzle who preened in front of the cameras while advocating for Bill Clinton to be impeached.

[MoonRiver]

5. We MUST take back the House for impeachment proceedings to, well, proceed.

Hopefully, the outrage will be enough to also take the Senate. At that point the orange menace is removed from office.

[Foamfollower]

7. 67

That's how many Senators are required to convict.

It cannot be done without Republicans even if the Democrats win every last Senate race next year.

Ducks in rows.

Facts and timelines.

That's how it must be done.

[MoonRiver]

12. Yes, but "at least" Schumer could (would?) present it to the entire Senate.

IDK, but by the time this would happen Chump may have already been removed for "medical" reasons. I still maintain he has early stage dementia. That condition only gets worse with time.

[Demsrule86]

17. Yes...such a negative post. I do see light at the end of the tunnel.

It is my belief, he will resign.

[Demsrule86]

16. You forgot one word 'yet' and there are reports that Trump asked numerous

times for Comey top end the investigation and has memos...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. There are as many opinions as there are lawyers.

[jberryhill]

30. Yep

What fascinates me with perceptions of lawyers is that people think the "good ones" are lawyers who spend a lot of time talking on the TeeVee machine. Now, some academics do, but the lawyers who are regularly chosen to spend time on television are not chosen for those appearances based on legal acumen, but on how well they present in that format.

[geek tragedy]

23. Turley is a professional Republican--he sued Obama on behalf of John Boehner and House Republicans.

He also foamed at the mouth while advocating for Bill Clinton to be impeached.

Fuck Jonathan Turley.

[Demsrule86]

25. Not credible...I would never post his words as if he was some non-partisan lawyer who

could be trusted...Turley is a foaming at the mouth conservative and always was.

[GeorgeGist]

26. Attempted murder isn't murder ...

but it's still a crime.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

27. Or... something legal, done for illegal reasons, becomes illegal.

[yodermon]

29. Rachel has reported a Flynn subpoena and a Manafort subpoena.

That's at least 1 grand jury, probably 2.

Did Turley mean that since there was not a grand jury at the time of Trump's request it's not obstruction?

How does TURLEY know that the GJ was not impaneled at that time?