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steve2470

(37,457 posts)
Thu May 18, 2017, 10:22 AM May 2017

On CNN last night, Alan Dershowitz was ranting about grand juries

I can't remember exactly what he said, but it was to the effect that the ACLU was not going to stand up against grand juries, and he was going to stand up against their deprivation of civil rights for the accused. He was referring to Trump indirectly.

What's up with him ? Is he auditioning for being Trump's lawyer ? I have to give Jeffrey Toobin credit, he said there were decent prosecutors who did not abuse grand juries. Haven't grand juries been around forever ?

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On CNN last night, Alan Dershowitz was ranting about grand juries (Original Post) steve2470 May 2017 OP
Was that the same defense as in Bush/Gore 2000. Bush's rights violated or crap like that Madam45for2923 May 2017 #1
Dershowitz has always been very smart but a little nuts Jersey Devil May 2017 #2
Grand juries are from old English law Phoenix61 May 2017 #3
exactly steve2470 May 2017 #4
Alan Dershowitz has always been right wing. Else You Are Mad May 2017 #5
It would not surprise me if he ends up the lawyer for Trump steve2470 May 2017 #6
I wouldn't be surprised. Else You Are Mad May 2017 #10
He was Jeffrey (lolita express) Epsteins Lawyer. Helped get him the sweet deal. mackdaddy May 2017 #12
Not a Dersh fan but he's right leftynyc May 2017 #7
The grand jury's role is only to "bring an indictment" DefenseLawyer May 2017 #11
It's the prosecutor trying to cover their ass leftynyc May 2017 #14
Give me .... LenaBaby61 May 2017 #8
Toobin is a former student (literally) of Dershowitz. hamsterjill May 2017 #9
Yip, plus he enjoys shushing TOOBIN "my former student" - TOOBIN does a slow burn UTUSN May 2017 #13

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
5. Alan Dershowitz has always been right wing.
Thu May 18, 2017, 10:30 AM
May 2017

He has defended so many powerful scum bags in his career that he automatically defends them even if they are not his clients.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
6. It would not surprise me if he ends up the lawyer for Trump
Thu May 18, 2017, 10:31 AM
May 2017

Trump could afford him, and he damn sure sounded like he wanted that gig.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
10. I wouldn't be surprised.
Thu May 18, 2017, 10:39 AM
May 2017

But, I don't think he would put up with Trump's lies. Alan Dershowitz may be an asshole, but I don't see him as the kind of lawyer to let his client get away with the things that Trump would want to get away with. Trump tends to stick with less than ethical lawyers.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
7. Not a Dersh fan but he's right
Thu May 18, 2017, 10:36 AM
May 2017

about grand juries - they're inherently unconstitutional because the defendant doesn't get to get their side heard. Only the prosecution. It's a 6th amendment issue. If the prosecutors think they have a case, bring an indictment and serve it up.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
11. The grand jury's role is only to "bring an indictment"
Thu May 18, 2017, 10:55 AM
May 2017

In many jurisdictions charges can be brought by the prosecutor filing a "charging information" without using a grand jury at all. In the federal system charges can be brought by filing a "complaint" which must be followed up by an indictment within 30 days, but the indictment is essentially a formality at that point. It certainly sucks to the the target of a grand jury, as it is most certainly a one-sided affair, and nearly always results in an indictment. It doesn't violate the 6th amendment, however, because it isn't a trial. Grand juries don't convict, they only indict.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
9. Toobin is a former student (literally) of Dershowitz.
Thu May 18, 2017, 10:38 AM
May 2017

Toobin has been calling Dershowitz out on his bullshit of late. I think the student has mastered the teacher! LOL

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