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niyad

(113,261 posts)
Thu May 18, 2017, 12:18 PM May 2017

Nearly 90 per cent of young women in US have experienced sexual harassment, report finds

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Nearly 90 per cent of young women in US have experienced sexual harassment, report finds

Young people struggling to form and maintain healthy and fulfilling romantic relationships and deal with widespread misogyny and sexual harassment, study reveals


Despite a high rate of sexual assault among young people, 48 per cent of this group either agreed or were neutral about the idea that “society has reached a point that there is no more double standard against women, report finds iStock

Nearly 90 per cent of young women in the US have experienced some form of sexual harassment during their lifetime, according to a new report. Despite the high number, the research carried out by the prestigious Harvard Graduate School of Education found that many weren't talking to their parents or educators about the issue. The study, based on a survey of more than 3,000 18 to 25-year-olds across the US, found that 87 per cent of young women reported having experienced some form of sexual harassment during their lifetime.


However, more than three quarters (76 per cent) of its respondents, both male and female, had never had a conversation with their parents about how to avoid sexually harassing others. More than half (56 per cent) of respondents meanwhile said they had never spoken with their parents about the importance of not pressuring someone to have sex, while an even higher proportion (62 per cent) had not spoken to their parents about the importance of not continuing to ask someone to have sex after they have said no. *********It also found that third of young men think they should be dominant in relationships. *********


The report also suggests that many young people struggle to develop healthy romantic relationships, due to the fact that both teens and adults tend to greatly overestimate the percentage of young people who are hooking up or having casual sex. This can lead to many teenagers and young adults feeling pressured to engage in sex when they are not interested or ready, it warned.

The authors of the report recommend that adults need to “identify for teens common forms of misogyny and harassment”, such as catcalling or using gender-based slurs, and that they should to “talk to teens specifically about what respect and care concretely mean in any type of romantic relationship”.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sexual-harrassment-us-young-women-90-percent-titled-the-talk-a7740456.html

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Nearly 90 per cent of young women in US have experienced sexual harassment, report finds (Original Post) niyad May 2017 OP
Wish they presented data zipplewrath May 2017 #1
I corrected the link for the article. it might answer your qustions. niyad May 2017 #2
90 % is very large zipplewrath May 2017 #19
Not large at all. And you're forgetting that grown men are among the harassers pnwmom May 2017 #28
I meant as compared to comparable studies zipplewrath May 2017 #30
This study, if you read it, clearly included harassment that doesn't include assault. pnwmom May 2017 #32
Don't they have daughters? zipplewrath May 2017 #37
If they did they lacked empathy. I was tall, so they probably thought I was older, pnwmom May 2017 #38
They did present data. I'm not sure what you're saying, exactly. n/t pnwmom May 2017 #4
Might be of interest. I'm not promoting the veracity of the claims. NCTraveler May 2017 #5
Thanks for posting that link oberliner May 2017 #3
The photo is an example of sexual harassment. You couldn't tell that? n/t pnwmom May 2017 #6
It's an odd stock photo oberliner May 2017 #7
There are MANY ways to sexually harass, and inappropriate physical contact is a common way. pnwmom May 2017 #9
Yes, indeed oberliner May 2017 #15
Can you post a pic of relationship coercion between students? Orrex May 2017 #18
Here's the photo Newsweek used for their story on this report oberliner May 2017 #20
The article writer chose his or her own focus. But if you think middle and high school students pnwmom May 2017 #24
Fair enough oberliner May 2017 #27
Violently zipplewrath May 2017 #36
I think you are again, confusing "infer" and "imply." LanternWaste May 2017 #14
I thought imply was to suggest and infer was to conclude oberliner May 2017 #17
You are correct Orrex May 2017 #23
Oh ok oberliner May 2017 #25
I haven't found it yet nor, honestly, searched too thoroughly Orrex May 2017 #29
Fair enough oberliner May 2017 #31
People who think the contact in the photo isn't "serious" in a work situation are wrong. pnwmom May 2017 #33
Office sexual harassment is very serious oberliner May 2017 #35
This is utterly believable, and it starts as soon as a girl hits adolescence. pnwmom May 2017 #8
I am grateful that I am far past that age. it was bad enough when I was young, but getting niyad May 2017 #10
K&R. And when women try to talk about it, they often aren't belived. WhiskeyGrinder May 2017 #11
welcome to du. and, sadly, you are absolutely correct. niyad May 2017 #12
Roger Ailes may be gone, but his legacy lives on and on gratuitous May 2017 #13
sadly, you are quite correct. niyad May 2017 #21
How the hell is it only 90 percent? Orrex May 2017 #16
that was my first thought. niyad May 2017 #22
As a man, I of course have the authority to speak on behalf of all women... Orrex May 2017 #26
Thank you, Orrex. I have never met a woman who couldn't cite examples, starting very young. n/t pnwmom May 2017 #34
I'm more amazed by it almost daily even now. Orrex May 2017 #39
I remember telling a friend that it starts at 11 or 12 pnwmom May 2017 #40
The 10% are somehow convinced it's their own fault. hunter May 2017 #41

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
1. Wish they presented data
Thu May 18, 2017, 01:05 PM
May 2017

I don't dispute the numbers but I'd be very interested in the underlying data. Mostly because other studies have put similar claims at anywhere from 25% to 75% depending upon specifically what was being discussed.

I also wish they had put numbers to the claim of over estimation of the casual sex rate among teens.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
19. 90 % is very large
Thu May 18, 2017, 01:44 PM
May 2017

I'm curious about things like the number of incidents per person. The various forms and the distribution across the population. Age of first incident, things like that. I'm also curious just how much people are over estimating teens sexual behavior.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
28. Not large at all. And you're forgetting that grown men are among the harassers
Thu May 18, 2017, 01:53 PM
May 2017

of girls, teens, and young women. Their excuse would probably be that the 12 year old looked older -- to them.

It happens as soon as girls show signs of developing. Friends of mine were sexually harassed as early as 10. With me, it began at age 11 or 12.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
30. I meant as compared to comparable studies
Thu May 18, 2017, 02:03 PM
May 2017

I've seen numbers between 25 and 75% depending upon exactly what was being discussed. Like I said, I don't dispute the numbers, but I'd be interested in their distribution and context.

What types of harassment started at 11 or 12 for example? How much of it qualifies as assault? (I've seen studies suggesting that 1 in 4 are assaulted by the age of 20).

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
32. This study, if you read it, clearly included harassment that doesn't include assault.
Thu May 18, 2017, 02:15 PM
May 2017

Every kind of harassment can start as soon as a girl begins to develop physically. When I was 12 and walking on a street in my suburban neighborhood, going to see a friend, a bunch of men from a building site suddenly interrupted their break to surround me, making remarks about my body and laughing and walking along with me. I kept my head down and kept walking. I was terrified. It was all over in less than a minute but the experience left its mark. After that, I crossed the street if I saw a construction site, or any group of men who looked like they could be trouble.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
37. Don't they have daughters?
Thu May 18, 2017, 02:35 PM
May 2017

Ya know, that's always my first thought when I see that. You'd think ONE of those jerks would have a daughter and do just a LITTLE bit of introspection.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
38. If they did they lacked empathy. I was tall, so they probably thought I was older,
Thu May 18, 2017, 02:43 PM
May 2017

and therefore was a fair target.

There's probably also the gang factor (not a literal gang - these were construction workers). Men in a group might egg each other on.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
3. Thanks for posting that link
Thu May 18, 2017, 01:11 PM
May 2017

Weird that its a UK source.

And what is with that photo (posted twice for some reason)?

Also, is there a link to the study itself?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
7. It's an odd stock photo
Thu May 18, 2017, 01:15 PM
May 2017

Reinforcing a stereotyped idea of what sexual harassment is.

The article implies that the harassment in question was not primarily of that type. I'd be curious to see the report itself.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
9. There are MANY ways to sexually harass, and inappropriate physical contact is a common way.
Thu May 18, 2017, 01:19 PM
May 2017

Women will recognize the significance of that photo, even if men don't.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
15. Yes, indeed
Thu May 18, 2017, 01:39 PM
May 2017

But the article (and presumably the study) seems to be focused more on relationship coercion, particularly among students.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
24. The article writer chose his or her own focus. But if you think middle and high school students
Thu May 18, 2017, 01:49 PM
May 2017

don't inappropriately touch and grab other students, you are wrong.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
27. Fair enough
Thu May 18, 2017, 01:53 PM
May 2017

I guess I just thought the stock photo was cheesy. Didn't really mean anything by it. What's really important is the results of the study itself. Here's hoping that it will move people to take action.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
36. Violently
Thu May 18, 2017, 02:30 PM
May 2017

Middle and high school students violently "touch" each other. Violent assault is quite common. I'd estimate roughly on incident a month on average for about 6 years of my childhood. I applaud the whole anti-bullying movement going on, but we have a LONG way to go. Heck, we live in a very violently oriented culture.

Sexual assault is an act of violence. It's part of the larger culture of violence in which we live.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
14. I think you are again, confusing "infer" and "imply."
Thu May 18, 2017, 01:38 PM
May 2017

I think you are again, confusing "infer" and "imply."

Orrex

(63,203 posts)
23. You are correct
Thu May 18, 2017, 01:49 PM
May 2017

The reply to you was an attempt at snark, suggesting that the problem is not that the article implies a certain thing but rather that you inferred that certain thing.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
25. Oh ok
Thu May 18, 2017, 01:50 PM
May 2017

I thought the article seemed to imply that, but that could be a misunderstanding on my part (or could have been influenced by the Newsweek article that I also read on the same subject).

I'd be curious to see the actual report itself.

Do you know if there's a link to it somewhere?

Orrex

(63,203 posts)
29. I haven't found it yet nor, honestly, searched too thoroughly
Thu May 18, 2017, 01:58 PM
May 2017

I took the photo as a generic representation of harassment, with the understanding that it wasn't intended to capture the entirety of the phenomenon.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
31. Fair enough
Thu May 18, 2017, 02:12 PM
May 2017

I don't know, for some reason I thought the stock photo was cheesy and not really in keeping with the serious nature of the article (nor the thrust of what the study was about). But really, it doesn't matter. What is important is the content of the study and what people are willing to do in response.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
33. People who think the contact in the photo isn't "serious" in a work situation are wrong.
Thu May 18, 2017, 02:20 PM
May 2017

Did you notice the computer in the photo -- a suggestion that they are at work? That would be a clear example of sexual harassment. And, yes, that kind of thing does happen.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
35. Office sexual harassment is very serious
Thu May 18, 2017, 02:23 PM
May 2017

I prefer the choice that Newsweek made with the photo they included with their version of the story to the stock picture chosen by this source. I won't belabor the point any further. It is not a big deal. I'm sorry I said anything.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
8. This is utterly believable, and it starts as soon as a girl hits adolescence.
Thu May 18, 2017, 01:16 PM
May 2017

Which means, age 12, or even younger in some cases.

niyad

(113,261 posts)
10. I am grateful that I am far past that age. it was bad enough when I was young, but getting
Thu May 18, 2017, 01:21 PM
May 2017

worse by the day.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,326 posts)
11. K&R. And when women try to talk about it, they often aren't belived.
Thu May 18, 2017, 01:23 PM
May 2017

"I never see sexual harassment!"

"I wish someone would compliment me all day!"

"Oh, that's just some creep."

Etc.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
13. Roger Ailes may be gone, but his legacy lives on and on
Thu May 18, 2017, 01:38 PM
May 2017

Ailes' lifetime career of oppressing the vulnerable and instructing others to do so will not pass quickly from this culture.

Orrex

(63,203 posts)
26. As a man, I of course have the authority to speak on behalf of all women...
Thu May 18, 2017, 01:51 PM
May 2017

Hardy har har.

But in all seriousness, I'd offer a conservative estimate that approximately 100% of the women I know with familiarity have described their experiences with sexual harassment.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
34. Thank you, Orrex. I have never met a woman who couldn't cite examples, starting very young. n/t
Thu May 18, 2017, 02:21 PM
May 2017

Orrex

(63,203 posts)
39. I'm more amazed by it almost daily even now.
Thu May 18, 2017, 02:45 PM
May 2017

It wasn't until very recently that I learned, for instance, that even young (tween) girls are subjected to frequent unwanted attention by adult males, and that they're fully aware of it as it happens. Skeevy and horrifying and, in retrospect, I shouldn't be surprised.

I was in my 20s before I started to become how pervasive it is, and I can't pretend to have been entirely blameless prior to that time. It was a different era, to be sure, but in retrospect I don't accept that as an excuse. I never assaulted anyone or anything at that level, but I had moments of boorishness that make now-me want to kick then-me's ass.

I have benefited hugely from several strong women rhetorically smacking me upside the head over the years, without whose influence I would have been much slower to open my eyes.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
40. I remember telling a friend that it starts at 11 or 12
Thu May 18, 2017, 02:49 PM
May 2017

and she corrected me -- she developed earlier than I, so she wasn't even 10.

Grown men following girls down the street, making kissing noises or pinching. Even being honked at feels intrusive, though you feel safer when they're in a car.

hunter

(38,310 posts)
41. The 10% are somehow convinced it's their own fault.
Thu May 18, 2017, 03:05 PM
May 2017

I'm a male but it seems similar to the bullying I suffered as a kid. There were always a few adults in positions of authority who would try to convince me it was my fault whenever some bully beat me bloody. All I had to do was "be a man" or something.

As a skinny, squeaky, highly reactive kid, that wasn't in the cards. The best I could manage was some sort of invisibility.


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