General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump wasnt always so linguistically challenged. What could explain the change?
Trump speaking style interviews
It was the kind of utterance that makes professional transcribers question their career choice:
there is no collusion between certainly myself and my campaign, but I can always speak for myself and the Russians, zero.
When President Trump offered that response to a question at a press conference last week, it was the latest example of his tortured syntax, mid-thought changes of subject, and apparent trouble formulating complete sentences, let alone a coherent paragraph, in unscripted speech.
...
Now, Trumps vocabulary is simpler. He repeats himself over and over, and lurches from one subject to an unrelated one, as in this answer during an interview with the Associated Press last month:
People want the border wall. My base definitely wants the border wall, my base really wants it youve been to many of the rallies. OK, the thing they want more than anything is the wall. My base, which is a big base; I think my base is 45 percent. You know, its funny. The Democrats, they have a big advantage in the Electoral College. Big, big, big advantage. The Electoral College is very difficult for a Republican to win, and I will tell you, the people want to see it. They want to see the wall.
LOL Lib
(1,462 posts)RKP5637
(67,106 posts)erronis
(15,241 posts)Something to do with the conservative brain structures?
RKP5637
(67,106 posts)riversedge
(70,200 posts)..............For decades, studies have found that deterioration in the fluency, complexity, and vocabulary level of spontaneous speech can indicate slipping brain function due to normal aging or neurodegenerative disease. STAT and the experts therefore considered only unscripted utterances, not planned speeches and statements, since only the former tap the neural networks that offer a window into brain function.
The experts noted clear changes from Trumps unscripted answers 30 years ago to those in 2017, in some cases stark enough to raise questions about his brain health. They noted, however, that the same sort of linguistic decline can also reflect stress, frustration, anger, or just plain fatigue.
Ben Michaelis, a psychologist in New York City, performed cognitive assessments at the behest of the New York Supreme Court and criminal courts and taught the technique at a hospital and university. There are clearly some changes in Trump as a speaker since the 1980s, said Michaelis, who does not support Trump, including a clear reduction in linguistic sophistication over time, with simpler word choices and sentence structure. In fairness to Trump, hes 70, so some decline in his cognitive functioning over time would be expected.
Some sentences, or partial sentences, would, if written, make a second-grade teacher despair. Well do some questions, unless you have enough questions, Trump told a February press conference. And last week, he told NBCs Lester Holt, When I did this now I said, I probably, maybe will confuse people, maybe Ill expand that, you know, lengthen the time because it should be over with, in my opinion, should have been over with a long time ago...........................
LeftInTX
(25,278 posts)Everyone likes to say it is cocaine, but I think he's got polyps. His personality has changed over the years. Trump's MO changed. I can't remember whether his feud with Rosie began before or after the Apprentice. Then in the Apprentice, he developed a different speaking style.
Keep in mind, his base loves his speaking style. If he would have spoke articulately as he did in that 80s video, he never would have won.
They like terms like "bigly".
They like that he speaks at their level.
We're sitting here analyzing it, while his base loves it.
procon
(15,805 posts)He's not aging very well, is he?
Runningdawg
(4,516 posts)Anyone who has taken care of someone with dementia and/or Alzheimers knows that speech changes drastically. Look at a Trump interview from just 5 years ago - it is obvious.
Motley13
(3,867 posts)Donald Trump said a lot during Monday night's presidential debate whether people understand what he said is a very different matter.
Throughout the course night, the candidate was accused of making a "word salad." All across Twitter, viewers accused Trump of "rambling," speaking in circles and even making up words.
SEE ALSO: Trump's debate sniffles are louder than his words
Below is a small, diverse sample of Trump's word salads.
Use your best detective skills, and see if you can understand what Trump was trying to say:
On our trade deals:
"When we sell into Mexico, there's a tax. When they sell in automatic, 16 percent, approximately. When they sell into us, there's no tax."
On Hillary Clinton's website:
"And look at her website. You know what? It's no difference than this. She's telling us how to fight ISIS."
On losing jobs to other countries:
"[They're] leaving because taxes are too high and because some of them have lots of money outside of our country. And instead of bringing it back and putting the money to work, because they can't work out a deal to and everybody agrees it should be brought back."
On the Fed:
"And we have a Fed that's doing political things. This Janet Yellen of the Fed. The Fed is doing political by keeping the interest rates at this level. And believe me: The day Obama goes off, and he leaves, and goes out to the golf course for the rest of his life to play golf, when they raise interest rates, you're going to see some very bad things happen, because the Fed is not doing their job."
On releasing his taxes:
"Almost every lawyer says, you don't release your returns until the audit's complete. When the audit's complete, I'll do it. But I would go against them if she releases her emails.
HOLT: So it's negotiable?
TRUMP: It's not negotiable, no.
On reports that his business struggled:
"The report that said $650 which, by the way, a lot of friends of mine that know my business say, boy, that's really not a lot of money. It's not a lot of money relative to what I had. The buildings that were in question, they said in the same report, which was actually, it wasn't even a bad story, to be honest with you, but the buildings are worth $3.9 billion. And the $650 isn't even on that."
On stop and frisk:
HOLT: Stop-and-frisk was ruled unconstitutional in New York, because it largely singled out black and Hispanic young men.
TRUMP: No, you're wrong. It went before a judge, who was a very against-police judge.
On his company:
I am very under-leveraged. I have a great company. I have a tremendous income. And the reason I say that is not in a braggadocios way. It's because it's about time that this country had somebody running it that has an idea about money.
Sometimes Twitter says it best:
erronis
(15,241 posts)And people worry about the new new-speak - LOL!
librechik
(30,674 posts)they made her kind of groggy. My brother got her to stop, but she still sneaks them occasionally.
I suspect prescription drugs may be involved, (Xanax? possibly even Dramamine? ) although dementia, as others have mentioned, is certainly possible. Even normal aging can cut down your facility and vocabulary. So much stuff in there, there's a lag between thought and language.
However, my first thought was "moron" and my second was "duplicitous"
I'm sure it's complicated.
Motley13
(3,867 posts)Look, having nuclearmy uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes,
OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart
you know, if you're a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if,
like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the
smartest people anywhere in the worldit's true!but when you're a
conservative Republican they tryoh, do they do a numberthat's
why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went
there, went there, did this, built a fortuneyou know I have to give my
like credentials all the time, because we're a little disadvantagedbut
you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers meit would
have been so easy, and it's not as important as these lives are (nuclear
is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the
power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of
what's going to happen and he was rightwho would have thought?),
but when you look at what's going on with the four prisonersnow it
used to be three, now it's fourbut when it was three and even now, I
would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because,
you know, they don't, they haven't figured that the women are smarter
right now than the men, so, you know, it's gonna take them about
another 150 yearsbut the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us
Orrex
(63,203 posts)He seems almost eloquent compared to his rumblings as president. Interviews show him to be reflective and reserved, actually taming time to articulate complete thoughts.
In contrast, Trump has never been eloquent or articulate, despite the pop culture fantasy that he's a smart businessman. Starting from that lower bar, he amazingly proves himself to be even less intelligent than President Dubya.
And it only becomes more clear with each rambling utterance.
dalton99a
(81,455 posts)Trump is a con man constantly trying to shift the subject to hide his IQ
(Well, W is not a genius either)
LeftInTX
(25,278 posts)He had a cockiness and a smirk that made you want to smack his face.
His speech improved while governor.
I think he struggled with his speaking and tried to improve it.
I don't think he is was dumb.
I don't think Trump is dumb.
They can't be that dumb, cuz they fooled a bunch of people.
I always thought Reagan was dumb.
But people liked that he was simpleton.
Orrex
(63,203 posts)I have never heard him say anything that was the least bit insightful beyond what any wholly average person could as readily have said.
It's entirely possible (and increasingly likely) that he's an idiot who is also a skilled manipulator, like a deranged carnival barker.
LeftInTX
(25,278 posts)Orrex
(63,203 posts)Not some uppity negro putting on airs.
Trump's chumps do not want our outreach, our empathy, or our understanding. They want our silence and our subjugation. When they get their idiot racist heads out of their idiot racist assholes, then I will reach out to them. It is not my job nor your job to pull their idiot racist heads out of their idiot racists assholes for them.
mopinko
(70,089 posts)the evil, arrogant, duplicitous stuff goes way back, but the word salad seems clear to me.
the impulsiveness, too, is indicative. again, never had much self control, but i gotta believe that he would never have gotten anywhere in business if he didnt know when to keep his mouth shut. he would certainly have spent some time in prison along the way.
unblock
(52,205 posts)JoeStuckInOH
(544 posts)DFW
(54,365 posts)The trouble is, he's a Republican, so it isn't apparent as quickly as it would be if it were a Democrat making those utterings. We've grown to expect that scatterbrained speech from Republicans. The Republicans, on the other hand, were looking to pin the same diagnosis on Hillary, who remains perfectly lucid to this day. Had Hillary taken office, and came out with the same word salad Trump is now offering up, the Republicans would have been calling for her removal from office and being institutionalized. They might well have been right, too, which is why they never say a word about Trump's condition.
The Republican diagnosis is: "See that big R in front of his name? That means no dementia!"