Mensch has been pushing her "loony" theories about DT and Russia for more than a YEAR.

[pnwmom]

While our MSM was mostly taking a nap, enjoying the high ratings from DT's loudmouth campaign rallies, Louise Mensch was doing her best to warn us.

And this 9/28/16 piece is the kind of reaction she was getting from DT-world:

(CRAZY RIGHTWING SITE -- I got a message that looked like a phishing thing so I've deleted the link.)

Heat Street’s Loony Louise Mensch Spreads Fake Russia Graphic to Smear Donald Trump

Louise Mensch is either insane or she’s extremely stupid.

I suppose she could be both, now that I think about it. Regardless, something is seriously wrong with this woman. She’s been fixated on Donald Trump for months, which in and of itself isn’t that big of a deal. A large portion of the country has been avidly following The Donald’s candidacy, after all. But she’s taken her obsession to the extreme. During the primaries, she was one of the idiots who kept saying Trump would self-destruct over and over again. When he proved the airheaded tart wrong, she went and endorsed Hillary Clinton. Yes, the chief of a supposedly anti-SJW, anti-PC website is backing Hillary fucking Clinton for President of the United States. Let that roll around in your mind for a minute before we move on.

Loony Louise didn’t stop there. She went from a detractor of Donald to full-blown conspiracy theorist nutcase. Actually, that’s a major insult to conspiracy theorists, who oftentimes at least base some of their conclusions on, ya know, reality. Louise has no such problem, though. She’s particularly obsessed with the idea that Trump is some kind of Manchurian Candidate, secretly controlled behind the scenes by Vladimir Putin.

SNIP

_________________________________

And here were some of her “crazy” tweets.

March 6, 2016: “After Donald Trump’s disaster last night he asks for a pledge of personal loyalty. Not a good look. #NeverTrump

March 6, 2016: “Because he’s a liar, a racist, a misogynist, a fraud, and a moron, and an ally of both Russia and ISIS. #NeverTrump

April 6, 2016: “Make Russia Great Again. No wonder @RealDonaldTrump wants Isis to ‘deal with Assad’ then delegate it to Russia.”

June 5, 2016: “You are a racist piece of shit and in Russia’s pocket. I do hope this helps. @RealDonaldTrump #NeverTrump

July 26, 2016: “If anybody in the Trump campaign has links to Russia, the FBI must be all over them.” #NeverTrump

[Me.]

1. Loony Louise

But not a word about Taylor. Methinks there is way too much protesting going on here.

[emulatorloo]

2. FWIW Schlubby fat guys are pretty much ignored and invisible in US society.

I'm sorta joking about why Taylor isn't targeted but maybe not entirely.

[Shandris]

3. No one who uses the term 'conspiracy theorist' seriously is worth...

...listening to.

I've NEVER found this bit of sage advice to be wrong. The first time it tumbles out of someone's mouth as a pejorative, I immediately chalk them over to the 'drools on keyboard' column.

OTOH, that of course doesn't in any way mean that most of the theorized conspiracies are correct (or entirely correct, as the case usually is); it simply means that using such a label to try to silence someone is tantamount to wearing your pants on your head.

[WinkyDink]

15. So if more than one of Trump's team conspired with Russians, you won't consider it a

conspiracy?

Do you know what "conspiracy" entails?
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/conspiracy

Two words: Julius. Caesar. That was a "theory," too.

[Demit]

4. Theories are one thing. Reporting news is a different thing.

[pnwmom]

6. And she distinguishes between the two in her posts. n/t

[WinkyDink]

17. Your point?

[Demit]

21. Reporters report things. They avoid speculating or editorializing. It muddies the waters.

[PufPuf23]

5. The fact that Mensch started her conduit of information is suspicious

in itself.

I find Mensch a rather obvious tool (conduit from) the intelligence community.

So my gut tells me there is some agenda going down. What I do not know.

Mensch was posting about Trump when no one took Trump seriously as a candidate.

Trump also got way more face time than opposing GOP candidates from the MSM during the primaries and heading into the election.

Without the focus on Trump by the MSM Trump likely would have experienced little success in the campaign for POTUS.

[pnwmom]

8. You say she was posting about Trump when no one took him seriously

as a candidate.

Yet you admit he got WAY more face time. She was reacting with horror -- as many of us were -- as he got more and more face time.

[WinkyDink]

16. "Likely" is an unverifiable OPINION. Trump was (and is) FAMOUS.

[american_ideals]

33. She might be a tool of UK intelligence, trying to warn us

It seems likely UK intelligence (GHCQ mostly) knew a lot about DJT a long time ago.

My wild guess, and it's just a guess -- UK intelligence is using Mensch as a conduit to expose some of what they know.

That's good.

For now, I think the interests of the UK align with the interests of patriotic Americans. In fact, it's really pretty rare that the interests of the UK, Canada, New Zealand and Australia diverge much from the interests of American citizens. Sometimes GOP donor interests diverge from those countries, but I'd rather be on the side of the UK than the Koch brothers, Mercer, Adelson and ultimately Putin.

[ucrdem]

7. The problem with the Russia stuff is that it comes across as red-baiting.

We're not at war with Russia, and having dinner with the president is not a crime. The same goes for Turkey. It's not illegal to take money from them, either. Now, not reporting such payments when required to becomes problematic, and that's what apparently got Flynn fired, but just doing business with Russia is not going to topple the US government, or the presidency, because that is its function. So claiming that the Marshal of the Supreme Court is out delivering FISA warrants for treason comes across as RW lunacy.

Just my .02!

[pnwmom]

10. The problem with the Russia stuff is that too many Americans don't realize

what happened in Russia after the break up of the Soviet Union.

They are still our adversary, but for different reasons. The government is an authoritarian kleptocracy, run by the billionaire oligarchs who are working with Putin.

The allegations against Flynn are serious. He's not only accused of failing to register as a foreign agent; and failing to report his consulting income from foreign countries to the Trump transition team; but also for failing to include his contacts with Russians in two different applications for security clearances.

On top of all that, if he did make the alleged promises to the Russians during the transition, then he's in violation of the Logan act.

If DT DID try to obstruct the FBI investigation into the actions of Flynn and others, then that could bring down the US government.

(And Mensch never said that the US marshal was delivering a FISA warrant for treason. I don't know where that idea came from, but that's not what she said.)

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/trumps-russia-scandal-is-becoming-a-corruption-scandal.html

[ucrdem]

11. Yes Flynn is in serious trouble, no doubt about that.

And colluding in election interference would be serious trouble to if it were proven. But if we can't even get states to conduct honest recounts what are the chances of proving that Russia interfered in their elections? Answer: less than zero.

[pnwmom]

12. If enough people like Flynn can get flipped, it might be possible.

We'll see.

I just added a link to this in the post above. Did you happen to read it? This sounds like the biggest trouble Flynn may be in:

"During his brief tenure, Flynn engaged in breathtaking corruption of his official duties. As national security adviser, Flynn ordered a delay in a key assault on ISIS in Raqqa, Syria. The delay comported with the desires of the Turkish government, which had paid Flynn more than half a million dollars. While largely blotted out by the shock of daily revelations about Trump, in a normal news environment this revelation would have mushroomed into a first-tier scandal of its own. It is hard to think of a historical case in which a major American military action has been influenced so corruptly by a foreign power."

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/trumps-russia-scandal-is-becoming-a-corruption-scandal.html

[ucrdem]

22. Yes I heard about that today on NPR.

Doesn't look good at all for Flynn at least.

[american_ideals]

44. What? Investigate GOP money, media manipulation

We need both to be investigated. And if they occurred (and it seems highly likely both did), people will be jailed.


The FBI already said Russia interfered in our election. Brennan of CIA said it again today.
We need to fix this before our next election.

[ucrdem]

46. Brennan said there was cause for concern but he couldn't state with certainty

that any criminal activity occurred. I heard him.

[american_ideals]

49. Brennan: "Resist Russian Meddling"

Brennan Calls For Resisting Russian Meddling ‘With Every Last Ounce Of Devotion To This Country’


http://www.mediaite.com/tv/brennan-calls-for-resisting-russian-meddling-with-every-last-ounce-of-devotion-to-this-country/

[ucrdem]

51. A little late for that eh. Yes, he saw things. Fine, so did I. nt

[american_ideals]

55. Russia attacked us - thanks for admitting.

[ucrdem]

58. Comey worried about Carlos Danger not the Russia danger. nt

[american_ideals]

64. Russia intervention hurt our election

And Comey may well have been manipulated by Giuliani, Stone and Russia. Did you notice Stone knew there were dirty tricks coming before they happened?

[Me.]

14. Part Of The Problem

Is his alleged dealings w/Kisylak and promises that the sanctions would be lifted under a 45 admin. Further...we don't know what else were in those conversations but the tapes were enough to lift eyebrows. According to those who were his superiors, Flynn changed in the last several years and no one knows why...maybe the Ruskies do.

[ucrdem]

20. Apparently he didn't report that he'd received half a million from Turkey

for lobbying and $45,000 from RT for attending that dinner with Putin. He claimed he'd received the money from US companies. So that's going to get him into trouble. But the rest seems kind of mushy because dealing with foreign governments is what the presidency is mainly supposed to be concerned with per the Constitution and making promises regarding sanctions seems to fall within that function. Of course the devil is in the details which is why he's in need of good lawyers.

[Me.]

24. First Off

It wasn't a presidency when he was making promises and being inadvertently taped by the security services. Obama was still pres and his policies were still in play. 45, for his part, was urging the Russians to mess with HRC and Flynn was his go to man. But what is interesting, again, is the change in personality he underwent which is often an indication that someone has been turned. Furthermore, it was also against military code for him to accept that money without permission.

[bettyellen]

27. The president has to work in a somewhat transparent way - candidates cannot make deals w foreign

Leaders. That's illegal.

[ucrdem]

32. Yep Flynn seems very compromised.

Why Trump didn't take Christie's advice against hiring him, if he really gave it, is a mystery. On the calls with the Russian minister though it seems like the question is HOW illegal, in other words what is the status of the offense, who adjudicates and what's the penalty.

[bettyellen]

43. He's one of many it seems. Discussing sanctions as a payback is illegal.

They said it was an unprecedented amount of contacts between the campaign and Russian officials. Once they find the financial deals they're fucked.

[womanofthehills]

62. And.. Flynn planned on kidnapping a legal permanent resident (Gulen) in the dead of night

and transporting him to Turkey. Malcolm Nance was talking about this yesterday on Randi Rhodes show - about federal and state statutes barring kidnapping and conspiring to kidnap. Malcolm suggested there could be charges on this too.

[WinkyDink]

18. "Red-baiting"?! Oh, yes, let's be KIND to Putin, who ordered the shoot-down of a PASSENGER PLANE.

[leftstreet]

23. Putin isn't a Communist

Russia isn't a Communist country

But in spite of that, the GOPers (and media) still use subtle cold war rhetoric to stir up anti-working class sentiment

OMG RUSSIA IS SO BAD THEY R COMMIES!!

I think that's something of what the poster had in mind about red-baiting

[ucrdem]

26. Yep exactly.

Playing the Russia card seems like RW scare-mongering. The fact is they're a foreign power that we can either deal with diplomatically or militarily and my preference would be the former. Make dinner not war.

[american_ideals]

39. Putin is waging war on America

Putin is courting our racists and hateful religious groups. We do NOT want to be a dictatorial kleptocracy like Russia.

[american_ideals]

40. What? Russia is a dictatorship kleptocracy.

And Fox News is saying Russia is GOOD, not bad as you claim.

[american_ideals]

41. And stole our election.

[american_ideals]

35. Russia and Turkey are autocracies

We don't want to ally ourselves with those countries. Note the protesters who got beat up by Turkish bodyguards and then the Turks lied about what they did and falsely blamed others.


The real problem is that there is way, way too much money in American politics and guys like DJT and Ross would rather ally themselves with authoritarian kleptocrats like those in Russia. Together with the billionaire-funded GOP, they are trying to destroy American democracy and turn America into a kleptocracy.

Read David Frum in the March Atlantic on how DJT could make America a dictatorship for more details on this.

[ucrdem]

37. But Turkey IS our ally and has been since 1952

when they joined NATO. It's not our business to decide who and how our allies choose to govern themselves, and if we really did gin up that coup last summer, that would be shameful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO

[american_ideals]

38. Turkey is a dictatorship. As of recently.

Ergodan won elections, took control of the media, and then started suppressing the opposition.

Yes, they are our military ally.
No, we DO NOT want to get too close to them, and we should be pressuring them to treat their people better.

Here's an example of why it is a horrible mistake for our govt to get too close to Turkey:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-flynn-turkey-military-plan-20170517-story.html

[ucrdem]

42. "Use every man after his desert, and who should 'scape whipping?"

Deciding who does or doesn't get to be foreign president is what we're supposedly accusing Putin of, but we get to do it because of what, American exceptionalism? That went out with the 80's.


p.s. welcome to DU!

[american_ideals]

45. Putin interfered in our election.

Few things are more sacred to American democracy than our elections.

CIA and FBI are saying Putin's actions are tantamount to an act of war.

[ucrdem]

48. I agree that our elections are wretchedly corrupt.

So let the investigations begin.

[american_ideals]

50. No. Putin attacked our election. Leave the bothsidesism for later, please.

A big problem of our own is that our elections are dramatically voter-SUPPRESSED.
By the GOP donor class.

And now, a foreign adversary attacked our elections.

This attack is a huge problem. Every patriotic American who knows the classified info, from Comey to Brennan to Warner to McCain, is saying this is the biggest event of their public lives.


Buckle your chinstraps and resist.

[ucrdem]

52. fine, let's see some evidence. nt

[american_ideals]

54. Evidence: FBI REPORT OCT 2016. Brennan testimony today.

It is fact that Russia attacked our election.

Or are you going to claim our FBI, CIA, NSA, Warner, Clapper, Whitehouse, McCain, Burr, etc are all wrong.

[ucrdem]

57. FBI REPORT OCT 2016:

[emulatorloo]

63. No evidence? Look at the Brennan Testimony or read an account. A link:

No offense but you are really in denial if you're buying this 'no evidence' meme.

It's really not working out well for the Trump apologists in Congress. Especially today.

See below:

-------------------------------------------------------------
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029106349
"Republicans Focus on Protecting Trump at Russia Hearing"

Direct link:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/05/republicans-protect-trump-at-house-intelligence-hearing-russia

They kept pressing ex-CIA chief John Brennan to say no evidence of Moscow-campaign collusion exists.

David Corn
May 23, 2017 1:55 PM

The Republicans still are not serious about investigating the Trump-Russia scandal. That message came through resoundingly when the House intelligence committee held a public hearing on Tuesday morning with former CIA chief John Brennan. (Actually, this was not officially a committee hearing. Democrats on the committee were informed earlier this would be considered a "task force" hearing because the Republican chairman of the committee, Rep. Devin Nunes, could not appear because he had recused himself from the Russia investigation.)

At the witness table, Brennan told a harrowing tale. As CIA director last summer, he saw what was happening with the hack-and-leak attack on the Democratic National Committee, and he reviewed top-secret intelligence and concluded that Russia was mounting this assault to disrupt the election, hurt Hillary Clinton, and help Donald Trump. He also at the time was aware of intelligence that showed contacts between Trump associates and Russia, and that caused him to conclude a thorough FBI investigation was warranted. He testified, "I saw interaction" that warranted concern.

This was a big deal. In March, then-FBI chief James Comey revealed during testimony to this committee that in July 2016 the bureau launched an investigation of contacts between Trump associates and Russia. Now the CIA head from then was stating that there was clear intelligence that justified that probe. He also revealed that in early August he was so concerned about the Russian operation he spoke to the head of Russia's FSB, the country's intelligence service, and warned him to knock it off. Brennan also revealed that in August and September he briefed a small number of congressional leaders and shared with them top-secret intelligence about Moscow's effort to subvert the election in part to benefit Donald Trump. (This means that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker Paul Ryan knew many details about the Russian operation but didn't challenge or correct Trump's continued public assertions that Russia was not necessarily the culprit in the DNC hack.)

Yet once again Republicans did not focus on the main elements of the story. When the Republicans on the committee had the chance to question Brennan, they did not press him for more details on Russia's information warfare against the United States. Instead, they fixated on protecting Trump.

[american_ideals]

47. Turkey recently became an autocracy

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/world-report/articles/2017-04-18/how-to-save-turkeys-democracy-from-president-erdogans-autocrac

This is what DJT is trying to do in America. We must resist.


Prime minister of Turkey between 2003 and 2014 and president since, Erdogan has demonized and cracked down on constituencies, ranging from Kurds and social democrats to leftists and liberals, that are not likely to vote for him in order to boost his right-wing, Islamist and nationalist base.

Coupled with strong economic growth, Erdogan's electoral strategy has created deeply entrenched polarization in Turkey: His conservative supporters, constituting about half of the country, have zealously rallied around him in his defense; the other half of the country, brutalized by Erdogan, holds a profound resentment for him. Increasingly, there is little common ground between these constituencies.

Although he has won elections democratically (until Sunday's vote), Erdogan has gradually become more autocratic, ensuring little by little that the political playing field is uneven in order to prevent power from escaping his hands

[WheelWalker]

9. Louise is just alright by me

[WinkyDink]

13. I KNOW! Russians? What Russians?! Nutty broad! :-P

[Eyeball_Kid]

19. If you want credibility,

Review and refute, with factual evidence, Mensch's journalistic reporting. But remember that recent reporting hasn't received recognition, mostly because Mensch has sources that the MSM doesn't, so the MSM is slower to report.

Mensch is very assertive and combative. This makes her a dramatic read. But I suggest that you not interpret her style as journalistically wreckless. She isn't.

[bigtree]

25. k&r

[Madam45for2923]

28. Yep! I am grateful for all that took seriously how Donald was bad news and how.

Including LM! I am grateful for her time and energy and research.

Even as a conservative from another country she knew to put country - our country- over party.

Have more respect for her than for people that still don't want to recognize the MESS we are in.



Go LM! Go CT! I won't ever forget that you were patriots when it counted.

[Chemisse]

29. Any of us could have tweet those comments during the campaign.

It didn't take special insight to get a good idea of what Trump was up to. He's pretty transparent.

[pnwmom]

30. How many people in the MSM helped DT vs. normalized him?

She never did.

[Chemisse]

34. That is good.

But they did it for profits, not because they lacked insight.

There is nothing wrong with liking her and/or following her. I would just take her comments with a grain of salt.

[pnwmom]

36. Don't worry.

I view hers as "raw intelligence." Some good stuff, some not so good. But she has been right on some key things -- for instance, on Comey being someone who really was on the case, despite his mistakes last year.

And she said Rosenstein was a good guy, too -- and seems to be right about that. Even though he had to write that letter, he turned around and appointed Mueller.

And I think she really nailed Trump and Putin long before most others.

[Foamfollower]

31. She;s a fake new crackpot.

Ignore her and you will be better off.

[FBaggins]

53. Oh...I get it!

She didn't like Trump a year ago... So she must be reliable. Got it.

[Orrex]

59. Seriously!

I hated Trump a quarter century ago. That must make me 25X as reliable as Mensch.

[pnwmom]

60. How many people in the media last spring were warning us about Russia? n/t

[FBaggins]

65. Three easy responses to that

1 - She isn't in the media
2 - She sees Russia behind every door (the murder of Breitbart... Weiner's sexting... etc.)
3 - LOTS of them did

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-russia-idUSKCN0WQ1FA)

http://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trumps-russia-connections-foreign-policy-presidential-campaign/

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-putin-usa-trump-idUSKBN0U01NW20151217

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-03-30/trump-russia-adviser-carter-page-interview

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/630264/Trump-calls-America-Russia-work-together

[pnwmom]

66. She was in the media a year ago. She was working for Heat Street,

a libertarian outlet.

[FBaggins]

70. Heat Street wasn't open when most of those claims were made

It's also a stretch to say "she was working for" (since it was her idea) or that it was a "libertarian outlet" (when that's merely how she pitched it when trying to get it funded). I'd also say that it was a stretch to consider that journalism (any more than "the Palmer Report" is. It was really a blog)... but it doesn't matter since she isn't there any more.

[pnwmom]

71. Heat Street launched in April 2016,, so her claims about DT and Trump

were made while she was there.

And regardless of what any of us think about libertarians or Heat Street, she was warning us about DT and the Russians much earlier than most people in the conventional media -- especially the broadcast media, who were too busy watching their ratings rise because of DT's rallies. The broadcast media helped promote DT -- she did not.

[FBaggins]

72. Three of the five that in your OP were prior to that date

"she was warning us about DT and the Russians much earlier than most people in the conventional media "

I gave you several examples from prior to her tweets. How many more do you need?

[pnwmom]

73. The first tweet mentioning DT and Russia was on April 6th. How many

in the conventional media were talking about DT and Russia in April 2016?

[FBaggins]

74. March 6th actually.

"How many in the conventional media were talking about DT and Russia in April 2016?"

Did you look at any of the links I gave you? When they're from Reuters and AP... that means they were available all over the place.

[samnsara]

56. politics make for strange bedfellows.....

[kwassa]

61. Louise's other, um, accurate claims.

" “Sources with links to the intelligence community say it is believed that Carter Page went to Moscow in early July carrying with him a pre-recorded tape of Donald Trump offering to change American policy if he were to be elected, to make it more favorable to Putin,” Mensch claimed in an April post. “In exchange, Page was authorized directly by Trump to request the help of the Russian government in hacking the election.”

Another post, allegedly based on “sources with links to the intelligence community,” claimed that Trump, Mike Pence, and Paul Ryan were all going to be arrested on racketeering charges against “the Republican party” owing to collaboration with Russia.

“Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah, who was the ‘Designated Survivor’ at the inauguration of Donald Trump (yes, really) is likely to become President,” Mensch writes.

She’s also suggested that Anthony Weiner was brought down as part of a Russian plot to put the Clinton emails back in the news:

I can exclusively report that there is ample evidence that suggests that Weiner was sexting not with a 15 year old girl but with a hacker, working for Russia, part of the North Carolina hacking group ‘Crackas With Attitude’, who hacked the head of the CIA, and a great many FBI agents, police officers, and other law enforcement officials.

And that the protests against police brutality in Ferguson were secretly a Russian plot:

That's because you, Russia, funded riots in Ferguson. See 0 hour I have your connections to Trump archived via Schiller and Scavino https://t.co/aTUDlCGkYi
— Louise Mensch (@LouiseMensch) April 9, 2017 "

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/5/19/15561842/trump-russia-louise-mensch

[L. Coyote]

67. Great troll-fishing hook for your OP title.

Almost trolling for trolls.

People sometimes hate people who are right because they so hate being wrong that they can't admit they are wrong, so they lash out at whoever contradicts and threatens their tidy world view. Louise is a yuuge threat to their propaganda bubble.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[LeftishBrit]

68. Mensch has ONE good characteristic: she hates Trump. But she has never been reasonable or reliable

Here's just one example:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/louise-mensch-blames-corbyn-supporters-for-anti-semitism-turns-out-its-her-own-offensive-search-10466928.html

And she was recently the founder and editor of a RW newspaper for Murdoch

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/heat-street-louise-mensch-to-launch-new-right-wing-site-for-rupert-murdochs-news-corp-a6876811.html

She may be right about Trump, but she isn't a hero, or automatically correct on everything.

[Blue_Tires]

69. Hate on Mensch all you want, but don't think for a second that

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it will make Kremlingate go away... And don't you dare even THINK about putting this in the same fucking category as 100% manufactured Twitter troll bullshit like Seth Rich and Pizzagate...

A lot of useful idiots out there are trying to use this Mensch thing as justification for sweeping the whole thing under the rug... One of the reasons why certain people have released a concentrated attack this week despite not saying shit the past six months...