George Takai NAILS it. "Who Died?"

[CousinIT]

@GeorgeTakei on Twitter:

Link to tweet

"Who died? Oh yes. DEMOCRACY."

[mountain grammy]

1. America is dead.

[CousinIT]

2. Yep. n/t

[zentrum]

25. And the

...idea of America, which has been so important to the world, is dead.

[mountain grammy]

65. and, while the idea was not quite the reality

for many it was damn close.. but now, that idea is exposed. It's just an idea after all, and, if no one believes in it, it's dead.

[Eliot Rosewater]

78. It is dead, at least for now. But not because a conman criminal stole an election

using our known enemy, but because there are enough of US, YOU and ME willing to elect a known, on the record

Racist
Misogynist
Bigot
Thief
Person who mocks disabled and those with less power than he has

THAT is why.

[zentrum]

127. Agreed. It was never

...the reality. Racism and income inequality and all the rest of it were baked into the founding of the country.

But I'm talking about the idea of America. Equality. Democracy.

It has inspired hope at Tianamen Square and in the Arab Spring, for a few recent examples. And our greater press freedoms and ability to demonstrate in the streets, our Civil Rights movement, unfulfilled as it is---are like beacons in authoritarian countries around the world.

No more. The idea itself is in a tailspin.

[mountain grammy]

129. Yes, well said, that's how I see it too.

I've never had an unrealistic view our glorious "freedom," but the idea of it and the work it takes to achieve it, that's what's kept us all going.

My mom was the first in her family born in America. America was paradise compared to what they came from, and I don't mean economics, I mean good old fashioned oppression where other citizens had the right to mess with you, even kill you, with no consequences, just because of who you were. Ironically, they found that was also the reality in America, but, there existed this document called the Constitution, that guaranteed certain rights for all citizens, so the idea is planted, and sometimes, against all odds, the idea prevailed. It's the idea that the rule of law applies equally to all, and it's written down for all to see and read, and even amended to extend those rights to even more people. But, it's just a piece of paper, just an idea, and anyone who tries to defend it now will run up against the likes of Neil Gorsuch. A giant leap backwards. The idea will die.

[nolabear]

27. No. We're only pinin' for the Fords. Or the Carters. Or anybody.

Clintons, anybody?

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

96. Harry Truman...

CHICAGO- HARRY TRUMAN

[dixiegrrrrl]

94. but wait! Look here:

Russian Money Trail Tied to McConnell, Cruz, Rubio, McCain, and RNC

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029110343

[mountain grammy]

106. and I believe every word of it. It's all true.

We are living under an illegitimate government and can't do one damn thing about it.

The question is, how far will this go? At some point, there's no turning back.

[spanone]

3. does look like a funeral....Mr. Takai is absolutely correct.

why all the black?

[maddiemom]

15. ONE person is smiling, though.

[spanone]

24. he would smile at a funeral....socially unfit.

[MontanaMama]

31. I said this on another thread

but 45 looks like he needs a diaper change in this photo and everyone standing next to him knows it.

[Virtual Burlesque]

44. Smile? Looks like 45 was just beaned by a line drive. I expect drool, momentarily.

As for which president we are pining for? How about Millard Fillmore, who signalled coda for his party.

[ailsagirl]

47. He's insane

[Fritz Walter]

62. Drumpf probably wore that same shit-eating grin at the reading of his parents' will

Thanks "Uncle George" (Takai).
You nailed it!

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

119. DT is totally inappropriate in almost every situation.

Too many Americans too stupid, racist, selfish, or greedy to stop this walking disaster from fucking up our country.

[itcfish]

42. Looks Like Old

Italian women at a Mafioso's wake. Professional mourners.

[spanone]

43. exactly

[bullwinkle428]

4. Oh, Jeez Louise!! Tell me this is Photoshopped!

"Flying Nun 82nd Airborne Division"!

[femmocrat]

5. I looked up Michelle Obama and she dressed in a similar manner.

And here is Laura Bush:

Why is that appropriate for the Vatican? Anyone know?

[FBaggins]

8. It's the Vatican't protocol for an audience with the Pope

Eased up some in the 80s... but still expected for personal meetings.

[SergeStorms]

122. They have people on staff.....

whose job it is to see that all this ridiculous pomp and circumstance is followed to a tee. Of all the religions, I think the Catholics are the most steeped in traditional rites and rituals. They seem to think it's important. Personally, I think they should lighten up. They could also have a giant yard sale for some of their treasure, and use that money for helping people who are suffering. I'm sure we could convince the Pope to give up an 18K gold trimmed robe or two. My two cents.

[purplecale]

121. I would be the last to defend anything Trump does

As with other FLOTUS, the Trump women chose to follow the traditional protocol for an audience with the Pope. It's probably the ONLY protocol that has been followed on the entire trip!

Protocol has changed since the 1980's, but most follow the traditional way.

http://www.lastampa.it/2011/07/15/vaticaninsider/eng/the-vatican/meeting-the-pope-how-will-i-dress-H0cVUXhgYzluWKprwqPkAP/pagina.html

[femmocrat]

6. Here is Michelle Obama dressed in a similar manner.

[angrychair]

19. For it's not a political one

I just find, as an atheist, it amusing that many are against women subjugating themselves in Islamic countries by covering their head but think nothing of it within Christianity.

[zentrum]

26. Agree. nt

[whathehell]

56. Lol.. As a rational being I'm amused

that you equate voluntarily covering your head for an hour
at a once in a lifetime event to being.compelled to cover it
ievery day for the rest of your life.

Nice try, but no.

[angrychair]

64. Not what said

There meeting the other day, in a formal event in SA and was a rare event, why not cover your head there?

Plus, the covering of your head for women is as required in Christianity as Islam but it's one of those parts, like many, that some Christians just ignore.

[whathehell]

69. '. Covering of your head for women is just as requiredi in Christianity

Last edited Thu May 25, 2017, 07:34 PM - Edit history (1)

as it is in Islam'"?.....Got a link?

I'm guessing you don't, brcause.as a woman with 12 years of Christian schooling, I know for a fact that your claim is utter nonsense.

[angrychair]

73. Is it?

1 Corinthians 11:5-6
"But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is the same as having her head shaved. 6 For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off"

To a lesser extent
1 Timothy 2 : 9-10, "I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God."

Then this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_headcovering

It has been a common mandate since the founding of Christianity for women to cover their head in church or while in prayer.
It is still a expected practice for Catholics, Anabaptists, Amish, Mennonites, some sects of Church of Christ and so on.
It is Paul who insist on it in Corinthians but it is western evangelical Christians that decided it doesn't apply anymore. Like selling your children into slavery or eating shellfish. I'm not judging, just pointing out inconsistencies.

[rusty fender]

80. True for pre Vatican II

but not since then

[angrychair]

90. Yes and no

It appears to be a preferred custom for women to veil themselves in an audience with the Pope. So, while it was not in the revised Canon in 1983 it is still an expected custom to be followed in many Catholic settings, including meeting the Pope apparently.

[rusty fender]

103. Absolutely when it comes to meeting the Pope,

but not for just going to mass. Although some women still choose to wear veils on occasion.

[angrychair]

109. I guess that is my point though

Why women? It is a demand of subjugation of women that is not expected of men. It's sexist.

[rusty fender]

116. The ancient Greeks believed that

women, upon entering a temple with an uncovered head, could be impregnated by the gods. Because Christianity was, essentially, created by a Greek, the practice of requiring women to wear head covering while in a house of worship was implemented into Christian practice and eventually kept by Catholics. That's my theory.

I was a Catholic for the first 15 years of my life, had 6 years of Catechism(catholic teachings), yet I never learned why, before Vatican II, women were required to cover their heads. When I learned of the Greek belief about the vulnerability of females inside temples, I concluded that that was the origin of Catholicism's practice of it.

I'm sure that Catholic theologians would disagree with me

[angrychair]

118. Since a lot religions and religious holidays

Are a Frankenstein mix and match of different ancient belief systems, especially in Christianity (Easter is my personal favorite)

[forgotmylogin]

111. I think the Bible verse is a metaphor.

Saying it's not necessary to dress up to worship. You don't need to fix your hair, or not come to pray if you don't have fancy clothes. Just cover up. Wear your good deeds and not gold.

Wearing a veil may be a symbolic representation of this concept for women, but I think the dudes should need to wear yarmulkes also like the Pope if they want to show similar respect.

[angrychair]

115. Unfortunately no

It has been taken literally since the inception of Christianity
I offer the link from my post:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_headcovering

As well as some selected quote:

In the 1917 Code of Canon Law it was a requirement that women cover their heads in church. It said, "women, however, shall have a covered head and be modestly dressed, especially when they approach the table of the Lord

[TomSlick]

113. Scripture must be read in the cultural context.

The cited passage from 1 Corinthians must be read considering the cultural context. It was important to Paul - who was far less radical than Jesus - that Christians be culturally acceptable. It's easy to find "inconsistencies" in scripture if you're looking for them. I try to look for truth, not consistency.

[angrychair]

130. With all due respect

That is not about how it is "interpreted".
It is the unfailing, unquestionably "Word of God" when it suits someone's agenda and "interpreted in a cultural context" when it doesn't.

As I stated in my OP, that passage is "interpreted" by many Christian sects as literal. It is still an expected practice for Catholics in at least some cases(see images of veiled women meeting Pope), Anabaptists, Amish, Mennonites, some sects of Church of Christ, Eastern Orthodox, some Lutherans, some Methodist and so on.

Again, not judging, just pointing out that "love thy neighbor" is a lot easier to follow with no "interpretation" than women being told to be submissive and cover their heads...or women being inferior to men and remaining silent (1 Timothy 2:12)....or God killing hundreds of thousands of children (Exodus 12:29)

[whathehell]

126. Anything from Jesus?..Um, no.

A couple of two thousand year old quotes from two churchmen do not a "requirement" make. Sorry.

[angrychair]

131. In the eyes of the Catholic Church it does

While I grant you some may not, it is a generally accepted tenant among Christians that the Bible is the unerring, infallible Word of God.
Paul is no insignificant "church man" but a key figure in Christianity.
Until Vatican II in 1983 it was written in Canon Law that women cover their heads while in prayer and specifically in church solely based on Paul's statement in 1 Corinthians 11:5-6.

As I stated in my OP, that passage is "interpreted" by many Christian sects as literal. It is still an expected practice for Catholics in at least some cases(see images of veiled women meeting Pope), Anabaptists, Amish, Mennonites, some sects of Church of Christ, Eastern Orthodox, some Lutherans, some Methodist and so on.

Again, not judging, I'm an atheist (with a degree in religion and philosophy) just pointing out that "love thy neighbor" is a lot easier to follow with no "interpretation" than women being told to be submissive and cover their heads...or women being inferior to men and remaining silent (1 Timothy 2:12)....or God killing hundreds of thousands of children (Exodus 12:29).

Racism, sexism, slavery, rape and murder are always wrong, no matter what book they are written in or who is doing it.

[whathehell]

132. No, your confusing Catholicism with Fundamentalist Christianity

The Catholic church does NOT insist on a literal interpretation of the Bible and has not since at least the 1950's when I attended Catholic school.

Women put something on their heads once a week in church for 45 minutes, but again, this is hardly the same as being FORCED to cover one's

head and neck OUTSIDE the place of worship every day for the rest of one's life.

I can only conclude that your refusal to concede this OBVIOUS distinction is part of your effort to prove an "equivalence" between

Christian and Islamic treatment of women that in fact, does not exist.

[angrychair]

133. I am not refusing to concede anything

Your "the Catholic Church does not insist on a literal interpretation of the Bible" statement deserves it own reply. Though an atheist, I graduated from a Catholic university and I am very aware of the catechisms of the Catholic Church.

That being said, on to your other point. There is a big difference between religious dogma and legal obligation.

Our entire conversation has been about religious dogma, not about a legal obligation to dress a certain manner.

Many western nations did have a religiously-inspired, legally mandated dress codes for women, that often included head coverings of some kind, but it has fallen away as time has gone on but you can see many aspects of it that persist in western culture and it's laws to this day (laws requiring women to wear shirts but not men as an example).

Now many Middle Eastern and Asian nations, specifically those that are predominantly Islamic and have theocracies or a dominating Islamic group that has significant influence of their government, and culture, do create laws that create a legal obligation for women to dress a certain way.

So yes, there is a religiously-inspired legal obligation in some nations for women to dress in a brutal and humiliating manner that does not exist in western nations. No one would argue that point.

That being said, in certain archdioceses or Amish or Mennonite communities or Eastern Orthodox communities, while there is no legal obligation, there is a cultural one, one engrained in them from childhood, that women dress a certain way. While they are legally free to dress differently, doing so would put them outside their community's cultural norms and likely cause them to be shut out and shamed for it, even kicked out of their communities. The end result is little different.
In the end it is still men using religion to dominate and control women in the name of their god(s). One of many reasons I find religion abhorrent.
(Just for the record I am a man)

[Ms. Toad]

67. I just tried to post that picture -

and couldn't make the image display.

[spinbaby]

7. Who looks happy and who looks miserable?

It's telling.

[SoCalNative]

9. I think "grieving widow" looks good on Melania

just sayin'......

[not fooled]

35. You know

the thought has crossed her mind.

"'Av anozzer bucket of ze KFC, Donnie"

[Ilsa]

87. ... and two of that slovenian dessert. nt

[Cirque du So-What]

38. Except

as the grieving widow, her hemline would reach mid-thigh.

[Atman]

50. I don't think she'll be grieving.

She's just waiting out the clock at this point.

[L. Coyote]

10. The Pope's short visit to Hell hasn't put a smile on his face, but Satan is grinning.

If I were a guy in a skirt next to Donald, I wouldn't stand close either.

[dalton99a]

11. +1

[Demit]

12. You'd think for once the slob in chief would button his suit jacket.

[maddiemom]

16. Cut him some slack. He probably CAN'T.

[Demit]

21. Chris Christie can. When fat men get the right size suit, they can button the jacket.

[lunatica]

84. Maybe they have to admit they're fat first

LOL!

[smirkymonkey]

36. He's a disgrace, isn't he?

Doesn't he realize how inappropriate he is? His hair, his skin color, the way he dresses. He's a hot mess!

[lastlib]

46. But those buttons are so big......

...and his fingers are so small..........

and his belly is SO-O-O-OOO swollen

[Lyricalinklines]

91. NTSB wouldn't allow him to bring tape. eom

[Baitball Blogger]

13. Holy crap.

Melania is wearing the classic veil, but what is that on Ivanka's head? She looks like the bride of Frankenstein.

[maddiemom]

17. At least it's not a "fascinator."

[hamsterjill]

53. You beat me to it!

I was also thinking of that! The veil is too poofed out from her head.

[Baitball Blogger]

57. This is what happens when you count on the Thrift shop to purchase

your novelty clothing.

[hamsterjill]

60. Thanks for the belly laugh!

Yep, I think you're right!!! LOL

[MFM008]

58. The privilege of wearing white

It is a black-and-white situation, only seven women in the world are allowed to wear the non black color in front of a pontiff.
Those would be only Catholic Queens or princesses.
All women are required to wear a head covering but the privilege of wearing white allows you to choose either a white Mantilla or a white Veil.

[SergeStorms]

123. Malaria looks like......

someone just punched her in the balls. Why so serious? They're in a huge, expensive place. They should be used to that, right? She's probably thinking about what a good time she'd be having if Orangey McFuckstick wasn't with her on this trip.

[George II]

14. The Pope looks like he's thinking, "how long do I have to stand here with these idiots?"

[sheshe2]

93. Here is another shot...

[ananda]

18. And sympathies to the Pope..

.. for having to endure 45.

[nini]

20. LOLOLOL the pope's face says it all

He knows he met the devil and didn't like it.

[GoCubsGo]

22. Or, as Crooks and Liars put it,

The Addams Family goes to the Vatican.

[niyad]

48. now THAT was a downright insult to Morticia and Gomez--who loved each other.

[tblue37]

23. The Pope does not look like he is enjoying the company of his visitors. nt

[Orrex]

28. Jonathan Pryce hasn't looked that sad since Glengarry Glen Ross

[Earth Bound Misfit]

33. Never noticed the resemblance before...

[Orrex]

39. And now you'll never NOT see it

[Blaukraut]

29. The Vatican dress code for women is ridiculous. Maybe Francis could lighten it up a little n/t

[niyad]

51. pope photo op does not give a damn about women.

[IronLionZion]

30. Someone is grinning like a shithead

[Orrex]

41. Indeed, like an impaired jack o' lantern stuffed with shit. (nt)

[Earth Bound Misfit]

32. Not that I'm defending the ferret wearing cream-sickle looking...

septic brained doofus or his evil spawn or golddigger almost porn star spouse but black w/ veil is the traditional way to attend an audience w the Pope.

[47of74]

117. Yep

Of course orange ferret face could take a dump on the altar at St. Peter's Basilica and the same conservative Catholics who complain any time a democrat even breathes would not be saying a word.

[tiptonic]

34. Pope

The pope looks like he would like to be somewhere else. Anywhere!

[smirkymonkey]

37. That look on his face is like "Why on earth did I ever let them

come here? How soon are they leaving?"

[RadiationTherapy]

40. "Uh, hey, Frank, can you get in a little tighter with Don so we can - "

"No."

[forgotmylogin]

45. Melania is not happy in that veil.

"I cannot rock this look. I am an Amish person at a funeral."

Conversely, Ivanka: "I am totally rocking this funeral bride look whilst guarding my grabby-bits."

45: "Hey, Pops, why the Jewish hat? I thought we flew out of Hebrewstan. Doesn't Ivanka look so hot in that widow garb? Hey, you got any swords? There's this cool dance I can show you..."

[Sugar Smack]

70. Their hands say a LOT about them, here, L to R:

Ivanka: searching her catalog of demure hand poses & landing on an awkward one.

Melania: "He can't take my hand. He can't touch me. If he tries anything funny, I'll take him down, here, right in front of the Pope".

"Easy D": poseable, manicured little Ken Doll hands (I am personally amazed he controlled his "thumbs up" for once).

The Pope: resignation and weight.

[lunatica]

85. Ivanka's choice is hysterically funny!

Thanks! I needed that laugh! It's a gem

"Ivanka: searching her catalog of demure hand poses & landing on an awkward one."

[forgotmylogin]

108. He is still pointing down. He can't not point something.

I don't know if that "things not to do in Europe" memo was real or not, but one thing you don't do is point with one finger when you work in a multicultural environment. You gesture with your hands and not your fingers.

He'd be fired by Disneyland for that.

[forgotmylogin]

112. Tea on keyboard.

"I'll take him down, here, right in front of the Pope."

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

49. Our country's dignity? nt

[stopbush]

52. What does it say when Melania &a Ivanka cover their heads while visiting the Pope

but don't cover their heads while visiting Muslim countries?

Are the niceties only to be observed when the religion is Xianity?

[rusty fender]

82. Probably

But it also could be that they were visiting the big kahuna of a big religion, whereas in SA, they weren't visiting the pope of Islam. And if you think about it, in all of history there is no equivalent of the Pope, only the Archbishop of Canterbury comes close and then, not all that close

[CountAllVotes]

88. No requirement for women to cover their heads w/Catholicism

No more. Gone. Done. Bye!

You'd think it was Halloween or something give their two-bit "costumes"!!

[stopbush]

89. There is a specific protocol/dress code when having an audience

with the Pope that is very much in effect.

[CountAllVotes]

125. You are right

My radio tuned into Catholic Radio (not that I listen to it ever). It was discussing the protocol for visiting the Vatican and yes, the wearing of black is the color one wears as well as covering the head.

I guess I flunked out of Catholicism 101 eh?

[Boomerproud]

54. Thank you George Takei for saying what we feel.

With J.F.K.'s 100th birthday coming up next Monday, I mourn the America that thrived to be a beacon. I don't know if we can ever get it back.

[Igel]

99. It's the protocol.

Wouldn't expect Takei to be aware of something so out of sync with his personal culture.

Would expect him not only to mock cultural or traditional differences he doesn't expect but also to be deeply offended that what he says could be viewed that way.

[aeromanKC]

55. 45 is just plainly utterly CLUELESS

And Ivanka and Melania know they are not worthy. (It shows in their faces)

[matt819]

59. The dunce aside

That is the unhappiest group of people.

In contrast:





To be fair, Michelle Obama also dressed in black for the official photo. Though she carried it off better than Melania, who always looks utterly miserable.

[BarbD]

61. Trump takes his trophy wife to meet the Pope

[HockeyMom]

63. Catholic Women haven't had to cover their heads (Mass)

since I was a teenager. I am 68 and haven't gone to Sunday Mass since I graduated HS. When did it change back?

[Retrograde]

71. The rule was relaxed after Vatican II

Some time in the late 1960s, IIRC: we had to wear head coverings in grammar school, but not when I was in high school (both Catholic institutions).

When I visited Vatican City about 10 years ago they had no problems letting me into St. Peter's dressed in chinos and a polo shirt (I had a light shawl in my purse but didn't need it): they do prohibit shorts and sleeveless tops. I didn't have a formal audience with the pope, though - which was good because I don't think I owned a dress by then.

[HockeyMom]

74. +1000

[HockeyMom]

75. I highly doubt the Pope would mind

Melania not wearing a veil. She could have even worn a pants suit for all he cared.

[whathehell]

128. It hasn't changed, but even non-jewish men have to wear yarmulkes in Jewish synagogues

and Orthodox Jewish women must cover their heads in public ALL the time, so why all the focus on Catholics?... Easy targets, maybe?

[Ms. Toad]

66. Perhaps the same person who died when Michelle Obama visited for the first time.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.427043.1314534547!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_1200/alg-holy-visit1-jpg.jpg

There's plenty to condemn them for, without ridiculing them on one of the few occasions when they actually are trying to act like resppectful humans.

[pnwmom]

86. I think the most notable thing is the Pope's expression.

Quite a contrast to the photos of his first meeting with President Obama.

[Vinca]

68. It looks like an episode of the Addams Family.

[Oneironaut]

72. It's the Adams Family!

[liberal N proud]

76. He usually does.

[no_hypocrisy]

77. Reminds me of college. The music chair/professor wanted to yell at me for not having a "proper"

concert dress despite the fact I was never told.

He growled "Why don't you have a black dress!"

I shot back, "Because nobody in my family has died yet!"

[YOHABLO]

79. WTF is Ivanka doing there? What a bunch of phonies. I want to puke

They all look really cheezy. If you get my drift. Like some mob family trying to act sophisticated. HA ain't workin.

[Warpy]

81. Maybe they're practicing for the Orange Disaster's funeral

which they know is coming because they're poisoning his pizzas.

[CountAllVotes]

83. Pope Francis looks disgusted!

And I share in his disgust!

What's with all of the black clothing? It is NOT appropriate says this Catholic!

ON EDIT: My Catholic husband took a look and replied, "This is a slap at the pope being he is wearing all white." Often another person's take on a situation is indeed worth its weight in gold! He is so right. No wonder pope Francis looks so disgusted and rightfully so! It is an INSULT!

[sandensea]

95. He always does with these far-right types.

Here he is last year with his own's country's president, Mauricio Macri - the "Argentine Trump":

[Fresh_Start]

92. Ivanka's expression bears a striking resemblance to Bride of Frankenstein

[amuse bouche]

97. Saw this...

They're creepy and they're kooky,
Mysterious and spooky,
They're altogether ooky,

[Bear Creek]

98. Caption for the Pope

Help me! I am being held captive by a mangled apricot hell beast."

[StarryNite]

100. I don't know who died but

it looks like Melania just saw the ghost of whoever it was!

[lindysalsagal]

101. Breaking Amish.

Honestly, Francis must be thinking, "Why me? Who are these clowns?"

[bdamomma]

102. with the exception of

Pope Francis, Why is stupid don smiling, and WTF is it a funeral??? Sickening, we are dealing with some .

dumb fucks. Sorry for the expletives.

[Honeycombe8]

104. Those boob jobs STILL look racy when next to a Pope, even dressed in thick head to toe black. nt

[n2doc]

105. Dress for Success

[Demonaut]

107. the look on the Pontiffs face says it all..

[AgadorSparticus]

110. Leave it to uncle George to nail it!! Bam!!

[dflprincess]

114. The pope looks like he's wondering if he made the right decision

when he became a priest.

[Hulk]

120. Look at the grin on that dumb bastard's face...

Such a dunce. And I used to think W was dumber than a box of rocks. Holy shit!

[Xipe Totec]

124. Rictus Sardonicus nt