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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDUers do you realize that Kushner is really up shit creek
without a paddle - greed and hubris will get you every time. I'm lovin' it.
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)is a presidential pardon.
drray23
(7,587 posts)only to federal crimes. So, if he was involved in any dubious financial transactions with the russians and the state of new york charges him, he is cooked.
deurbano
(2,891 posts)Duppers
(28,094 posts)Thank you!
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)There is no proven financial corruption (that has leaked) as of now.
7962
(11,841 posts)as soon as its revealed that this is nothing new
Eyeball_Kid
(7,410 posts)If that's the case, then RICO may become ONLY a federal crime. I'm not sure. But perhaps if all is moved to Mueller's jurisdiction, the NY state statutes may still be valid. I don't know. But it's a question that may need to be answered.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)He'd be toast by the time he's convicted, as far as in the administration. Let's hope there's not an administration by that time.
flyingfysh
(1,990 posts)Ford issued a blanket pardon for Nixon for all possible crimes he might be charged with, and he hadn't been convicted of any yet.
Of course, it probably cost Ford the next election. People were very unhappy with Ford.
reggaehead
(269 posts)Conspiring to commit espionage against the US is a pretty big deal. Yuuuge even. He'll sit in jail until just before Chump resigns
JHan
(10,173 posts)Not even a " let's investigate" but a " even if he did what he did it was okay "
malaise
(267,838 posts)hacks and goons - ignore them - it looks like he committed treason for money.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And even if they did- we already had a president in office.
malaise
(267,838 posts)They are lying and they have been caught
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Take the cake. They're brazen becasue they were drunk w power.
malaise
(267,838 posts)for no reason - they are unbelievable
JHan
(10,173 posts)but not touching the part where financing was a motive for him wanting a meeting set up without IC knowing of it.. that part "we don't know for sure" they say lmao.
Turn on Chris Hayes.all Kushner and Cohen
MiddleClass
(888 posts)He was the first administration official to say, it's okay. It happens all the time, it's normal, I wouldn't even raise an eyebrow.
He is the director of homeland security, I think it is homeland insecurity
annabanana
(52,791 posts)Shame, that.
dchill
(38,324 posts)deurbano
(2,891 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)ecstatic
(32,567 posts)WTF?! That's the definition of privilege, imo!
JHan
(10,173 posts)pretty insulting
Wounded Bear
(58,440 posts)would love to see them penniless and living in one of their own slums.
I know, won't happen that way, but a guy can dream can't he?
malaise
(267,838 posts)A fitting end for generations of nastiness
Mme. Defarge
(7,982 posts)it sucks to be them.
lindysalsagal
(20,444 posts)SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Of Trading Places. Dan Ackroyd and Eddie Murphy.
awesomerwb1
(4,256 posts)get too carried away with all this sh*t.
These f-ers are cockraches. They know how to survive and have much too much power and influence. I'll believe it when I see it. But it's a very, very, very nice though.
CrispyQ
(36,231 posts)What you said!
We will be lucky to oust Trump, much less any of the GOP rot at the top of the party. But I'm crossing my fingers.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)While they may have billions, they probably have more debt than cash and assets. So maybe big selloff and some foreclosures. Even if prison is not in their future, their reputations are trashed forever. What sane person would ever do business with them again?
awesomerwb1
(4,256 posts)the reps being in control of congress, senate, the DoJ factor, the future FBI chief, etc etc etc.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,483 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)FakeNoose
(32,356 posts)He's probably going to jail for along time.
The question is whether he'll spill the beans on his FIL, and I'm thinking no.
I think he'll keep quiet and take one for the team.
They'll get him into that country club prison for the executives and white-collar criminals.
(I think it's in Connecticut?)
malaise
(267,838 posts)You're way braver than I am re loyalty among this bunch ;evilgrin:
maxsolomon
(32,992 posts)not this one. sorry to be a cynic, but no one goes to jail for this stuff.
worst case scenario, he resigns his unpaid position and leaves * alone, unmoored from anyone that can talk him off the ledge.
Beartracks
(12,761 posts)mercuryblues
(14,491 posts)they'll do it to ya.
chillfactor
(7,566 posts)I am loving every minute of this whole kushner mess......his reputation will be destroyed.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)it is the State of New York who will burn his ass.
malaise
(267,838 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)that will dismantle the Trump Crime Family.
MiddleClass
(888 posts)Trying to shield the way to overcome sanctions and many indictments.
Good job cannot fire the state attorney that tracking him and his cronies down
mercuryblues
(14,491 posts)That is not to say that there are norms set up. But ever since Clinton took office the repigs have been fucking with them.
It used to be a norm that when a new president came in, the Ags would tender their resignation. The Ags, when Clinton came in, had been there since Reagan and refused. Forcing Clinton to fire them. Then Bush the lesser was elected I forgot off the top of my head if he fired them, but he had a different scandal- He fired at least 8 or 9 midterm. Most of those he fired refused to look into the bogus claims of voter fraud. Obama came in and fired them.
But always, whether they quit or were fired they were not let go immediately. They were replaced in stages; depending on what the case load was and if replacements were ready to take over. I think it took Obama 2 years to replace all the AGs.
Now we have trump. He asked that they tender their resignation. Bharara refused, forcing trump to fire him. Then we found out what Bharara was investigating Russian real estate fraud in NYC and money laundering.
Like I said previously, even though AGs were officially fired under other presidents, they were not out the door until replacements could be found and confirmed. trump still has not named any replacements for confirmation. So now we have over 40 acting AGs.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Either he thought it up all on his own with his very own brain, or someone told him and he believed it without checking with anyone else. "It" in this case being to approach the Russians about setting up a direct line contact with the Kremlin in the Russian embassy outside the security apparatus of the U.S. government. None of this set off an alarm for him? I look forward to his testimony under oath about who he talked to about this, and any written materials created for this hare-brained idea.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Fucking idiots. Hope his own lawyer is telling him to flip right now. Donald won't care if he goes to jail.
malaise
(267,838 posts)This was during the transition for the executive branch - read the fucking rules.
Rubbish - all greed, arrogance and hubris - they all thought they were the untouchables.
They will learn.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)This naive young man is 36 years old. People of his ideological stripe pardon his naivete, but expect 7-year-old black kids to keep it cool when confronting an out-of-control cop who's handcuffing them in the classroom.
I would love to see Kushner on the hot seat under questioning by either Sen. Franken or Sen. Warren. Both of them have a great talent for gently walking witnesses through their testimony right up to the point where the witness realizes - too late - that they've said too much.
better
(884 posts)Many of that ideological stripe also pardon white folk like me training rifles on Federal Agents from fortified positions as "protesting government overreach", but regard a teenage black girl striking out against an out of control cop who is at that moment choking the life out of her "resisting arrest". That dynamic in particular really pisses me off.
Once your air is cut off, ANYTHING you might do to the person doing it, up to and including killing them, badge or not, is self defense against not merely a threat, but an active and immediate assault on your life. No exceptions.
It's one thing to have to trust a cop not to shoot before it becomes necessary to preserve their life.
Another entirely to have to trust them to STOP choking me before it becomes necessary to preserve mine.
malaise
(267,838 posts)dalton99a
(81,081 posts)Two very smart people
NOT!!
MedusaX
(1,129 posts)AG to reduce jail time in return for flipping on #45...
J-rod was apparently moving $$ out of country ...
perhaps a nest egg for after time served?
Nobody knows more / has access to more #45 Family dirt than Team Jar-Vanka...
And I am pretty sure that not even DNA ties would cause Ivanka to bat an eye at selling out all the male Trumpboyzzz... daddy included....
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)maybe, this one will be different but so many powerful white men escape justice
Warpy
(110,913 posts)and facing charges. Unfortunately, Republicans are in charge and they are both heavily corrupted and loony. They'll protect the traitorous little weasel as long as they possibly can because he and his wife are the glue that's keeping Dolt from blowing apart.
This is not normal. It will never be normal unless we all give up on this country.
oasis
(49,152 posts)their opinion about the Kushner situation. Those who want the gig will give Jared a retro active green light.
LiberalArkie
(15,686 posts)from? How do they think they can just declare bankruptcy when the Russian Mafia holds the note?
Do they think that it is just business? But that is how a lot of people dealing with international companies think. I think that is why so many are found dead. The Russian government is the Russian mafia.
malaise
(267,838 posts)He couldn't even wait until after the inauguration...why?
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)He's rich.
VOX
(22,976 posts)The apple didn't fall far from the tree.
Yeah, I know, it's Wikipedia...but good enough to document this:
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In the summer of 2004, Charles Kushner was fined $508,900 by the Federal Election Commission for contributing to political campaigns in the names of his partnerships when he lacked authorization to do so.[12] In 2005, following an investigation by the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of New Jersey,[13] U.S. Attorney Chris Christie negotiated a plea agreement with Kushner, under which he pleaded guilty to 18 counts of illegal campaign contributions, tax evasion, and witness tampering.[14] The witness-tampering charge arose from Kushner's act of retaliation against William Schulder, his sister Esther's husband, who was cooperating with federal investigators; Kushner hired a prostitute to seduce his brother-in-law, arranged to record an encounter between the two, and had the tape sent to his sister.[15][16][17][14] Kushner was sentenced to two years in prison[15] and served 14 months at Federal Prison Camp, Montgomery in Alabama[18][19] before being sent to a halfway house in Newark, New Jersey to complete his sentence.[18][19][20] He was released from prison on August 25, 2006.[21]
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Ratlords
Up shit creek without a paddle is correct.
To add: Ivanka will drop him like a hot potato when this happens too. After all that is a whole family of Grifters
malaise
(267,838 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)There are people in the admin. who are saying a backchannel is okay, and if not, not a big deal? Just a couple, but still. And he didn't actually create the channel, in the end. I wonder why.
But I don't know. I think I know what they were up to, but I'm not the one in charge, and I don't know the legalities of it all.
I think that maybe in the end, it'll be financial corruption with Russia that gets them? Knowing how they are all about greed and money, I'm just thinking that that's where the proof of criminality lies.
malaise
(267,838 posts)Of that I have no doubt
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)spanone
(135,637 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)I foresee him more like OJ Simpson - cleared of murder charges but so obviously guilty he's forever tarnished and untouchable.
Being a global pariah is another form of purgatory for these shitheads
yuiyoshida
(41,765 posts)will do anything about Kushner? I don't
GitRDun
(1,846 posts)First of all, there are NO facts on the table...only anonymously reported stories.'
There are competing narratives over who wanted the back channel communications, the Russians or Kushner.
We don't know if the intent was to commence back channel communication before or after election.
We don't know what the purpose was.
All we have is a pattern of Russia...Russia...Russia...conceal...conceal...conceal.
I see the smoke, but I'll wait til I see if it's a fire or just some ass hat with a smoke bomb lol.
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)But the IC knows. The Gang of 8 knows. The special prosecutor knows. The NY AG knows. The FBI knows. Comey knows. All of the perps know. And best of all TRUMP knows. LOL!! It's so obvious he's the crook we know he is.
Tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock......