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"collusion is not a crime"?? (Original Post) HAB911 May 2017 OP
Knew this was coming Johnny2X2X May 2017 #1
Well sure, they were just colluding on a surprise party for Donald marylandblue May 2017 #2
Nothing that sticks it to godless liberals get the red out May 2017 #3
I have heard someone in Intelligence say mchill May 2017 #4
It Can Be ProfessorGAC May 2017 #5
The argument is that there is no statute covering collusion, Kablooie May 2017 #6
I saw that trial balloon sharp_stick May 2017 #7
Collusion to break a law is a separate crime Cicada May 2017 #8
He might be technically correct. DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #9
technically correct, onethatcares May 2017 #10

Johnny2X2X

(19,035 posts)
1. Knew this was coming
Wed May 31, 2017, 03:06 PM
May 2017

As soon as Trump said there was "no collusion", I knew they'd eventually say nothing was wrong with collusion.

They colluded with a foreign government to steal the US Presidency. And it's not like this foreign country was Canada, it is Russia, who is our adversary.

get the red out

(13,461 posts)
3. Nothing that sticks it to godless liberals
Wed May 31, 2017, 03:10 PM
May 2017

is a crime. That is absolutely their belief.

If the Trumpers are ever capable of believing there was collusion, they will applaud it as patriotic for "saving the country".

mchill

(1,017 posts)
4. I have heard someone in Intelligence say
Wed May 31, 2017, 03:10 PM
May 2017

"collusion" is not a crime, but "coordination" is, so may be a matter of semantics and Fox is trading on that technicality.

ProfessorGAC

(64,990 posts)
5. It Can Be
Wed May 31, 2017, 03:12 PM
May 2017

Fomenting a conspiracy through collusion can violate RICO. Two mafia dons collude to take over a third don's rackets. They've already broken the law, but haven't done anything but collude.

So, they're wrong.

Kablooie

(18,625 posts)
6. The argument is that there is no statute covering collusion,
Wed May 31, 2017, 03:12 PM
May 2017

Unless we are in a state of war.

But the RICO laws probably have something to cover this

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
7. I saw that trial balloon
Wed May 31, 2017, 03:19 PM
May 2017

It makes me think that the administration is really getting worried that something is going to stick.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
8. Collusion to break a law is a separate crime
Wed May 31, 2017, 03:42 PM
May 2017

If a trumpeter colluded in illegal hacking or in securing illegal political contributions or in illegally revealing private information then that collusion is the crime of criminal conspiracy. But colluding in getting Trump elected in legal ways is not a crime.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
9. He might be technically correct.
Wed May 31, 2017, 03:44 PM
May 2017

But subornation of perjury, perjury, and obstruction of justice are crimes and one can be guilty of all those even if the underlying act was legal.

A great example is Clinton's consensual blow job. It was legal. The cover up is what created legal exposure for him and Monica Lewinsky.


Also, if there is evidence of collusion that's an impeachable offense.

onethatcares

(16,165 posts)
10. technically correct,
Wed May 31, 2017, 04:25 PM
May 2017

and of course, Faux news would be the first to say that if Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Barrack Obama or anyone else on the Democratic side of the aisle had talks with the Russians and wanted to secure a private back channel to their leaders.

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