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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRobert Mueller is now looking @ Jared Kushner's work in data analytics for the Trump campaign*
* as per the 12:00 o'clock radio news
I smell vote flipping, hacking, and people being removed from being able to vote.
Remember the NSA document that Reality Winner released spoke about the Russians
trying to get into the hardware and software that controlled the operating systems
for the voting machines and central tabulators?
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-06-13/russian-breach-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections
Russias cyberattack on the U.S. electoral system before Donald Trumps election was far more widespread than has been publicly revealed, including incursions into voter databases and software systems in almost twice as many states as previously reported.
In Illinois, investigators found evidence that cyber intruders tried to delete or alter voter data. The hackers accessed software designed to be used by poll workers on Election Day, and in at least one state accessed a campaign finance database. Details of the wave of attacks, in the summer and fall of 2016, were provided by three people with direct knowledge of the U.S. investigation into the matter. In all, the Russian hackers hit systems in a total of 39 states, one of them said.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Said brother has a bundle of money as a result of a computer app he made which is involved in Obamacare.
Dunno much more than that, but $$$ and computers+ Jared = suspicion.
Botany
(70,447 posts).... something to do w/Cambridge Analytics, Steve Bannon, and Russians in London.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,429 posts)Communications were methodical and were handled by a person on Trump's end. The FBI knows all about it. ALL about it.
Those who run Alpha Bank are directed by Putin.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/27/the-reclusive-hedge-fund-tycoon-behind-the-trump-presidency
http://www.npr.org/2017/05/26/530181660/robert-mercer-is-a-force-to-be-reckoned-with-in-finance-and-conservative-politic
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article147454324.html
90-percent
(6,828 posts)I'm interested for the obvious don't like treason reasons.
Additionally
Cambridge Analytics
is located about a mile from my childhood home on Long Island. A former farmers field, now densely populated like most of Long Island is these days.
-90% Jimmy
onlyadream
(2,165 posts)Or do you mean Mercer's Renaissance Technologies? I pass that place all the time.
90-percent
(6,828 posts)I grew up in a subdivision off bennetts road off 25a. The next right off 25A past Bennetts looks like the place. It used to be Detmer Farm. Now all the farms and woods of my youth are mcmansions more prolific than Levitown in 1947.
Don't know a lot about Mercer other than he's an evil computer genius and makes the Koch Brothers look like Elizabeth Warren.
He probably poured as much money into Trump superpacs as Putin itself!
-Jim
onlyadream
(2,165 posts)The right after Bennitts is Limroy. That's where the bike path is, Setauket Greenway Trail.
Too bad you're not here, we need to get rid of our Trump loving rep, Lee Zelden.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Huge money, very right wing people, idealogical twins to Koch Brothers.
Kushner may have been more involved with the server at Trump Tower, in a lackey sort of way, but he is not real bright.
Lucky Luciano
(11,248 posts)DBoon
(22,338 posts)I despise the Kochs as much as anyone, but at least they do not fund overt white supremacy
deminks
(11,014 posts)Trumpy & Kushner's pal Mercer invested five million dollars into Cambridge Analytica (they are a data mining/analysis company that strategizes ways to influence voters). Birds of a feather....
Me.
(35,454 posts)Now the Mercers are going to finally come into real focus and scrutiny
Eyeball_Kid
(7,429 posts)and they're happy to support Putin as a promoter of white nationalism.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Then people even suspect
tblue37
(65,217 posts)Last edited Fri Jun 16, 2017, 01:33 PM - Edit history (2)
are the main financial backers of Breitbart.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,955 posts)tblue37
(65,217 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,955 posts)tblue37
(65,217 posts)Sometimes I miss the final autocorrect change just as I hit "post."
If I have time to hang around right after posting, I will spot the mess and fix it again. (Check most of my posts and you will see how often I go back to correct such things immediately after they are posted because of a last second autocorrect.) But if I have to do something else right after posting, I might not notice until I return to DU. If someone has replied and I go to their reply, I might see that there is such an error in my own post, in which case I fix it.
OTOH, since we all have to deal with hyperactive autocorrect on our mobiles, people are usually polite enough to recognize what has happened and, even when pointing it out, do so considerately.
For example, I often spot autocorrect errors and point them out to that person, but I always do so by saying, "I think you meant 'xxxx,' but your hyperactive autocorrect has messed up your post." It would never occur to me to be sneering or rude about it.
BTW, I was able to turn off the autocorrect on my desktop, but although I went to "settings" to turn it off on my little tablet, doing so did nothing. It's like the pedestrian walk button that isn't connected and therefore doesn't have any effect on the traffic light.
George II
(67,782 posts)....amazing what will get some people's panties in a wad.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,955 posts)Leith
(7,808 posts)We get to laugh at websites like Damn You Auto Correct.
I decided long ago to regard stuff like that as "if I can read it and understand what the person meant, let it go."
But I still grind my teeth when people put apostrophes in plurals. That is NEVER correct or preferred.
tblue37
(65,217 posts)clear to readers, there are occasions when it is acceptable to use an apostrophe with a plural in order to avoid false telegraphing--i.e., a situation where the reader is likely to be confused (for example, when referring to multiples of the grade "A" . Recently I wrote "mini-me's" rather than "mini-mes" to prevent that sort of confusion. It was a deliberate, carefully considered decision.
OTOH, I don't allow my students to use apostrophes to pluralize dates, like the 1960s. (BTW, autocorrect changed "pluralize" to "pluralism" TWICE and "students" to "governments" once in the preceding sentence, and I barely caught the changes in time--especially the second change to "pluralize"!)
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,955 posts)flying_wahini
(6,578 posts)This isn't school.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,955 posts)Chico Man
(3,001 posts)It will take some very smart investigators to peel the layers back from this onion but I believe the big data analytics were absolutely used to target Russian bot campaigns.
I also wonder how many Americans could be blackmailed if their home PCs were infected with Russian born viruses.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)computer technology over manual methods.
Plus, they were simultaneously becoming lenders and owners of Kushner and Trump.
The twain met when Putin and Trump decided to make Trump the Republican candidate for President, and then make him President.
Corruption, money-laundering for Russian banks and oligarchs, vote-hacking (aka TREASON):
The Donald should be glad he lives here and not Romania, IYKWIM.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,164 posts)They probably jumped up and down and clapped their hands. I wouldn't doubt they had influence on lobbyists for Diebold and other voting machine companies when their use was first being debated.
Not only the use of hackable machines to decide a democratic election, but the fact that each fricken state takes care of its own voting system ....for a federal election....is astounding. That there is no federal oversight, that their is no federal rights to open the code of these private companies to a public inspector, even if for reasons of securing the foundation of the democracy, voting.
Democrats should be demanding that, at least for the next election, we only use paper ballots and hand counting. That there be federal oversight.
You know that if this were the other way around Republcans would be screaming on Fox and every network that the election was stolen and we need to retire these machines! I don't know why Dems are so damn meek all the time.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,286 posts)start a grassroots campaign in every state to use paper ballots in 2018.
FakeNoose
(32,577 posts)We've been harping on DU about this since November. (Or maybe before that, I don't know.)
There has to be a racist angle, somehow the black voters were targeted, and yes I guess the Bernie voters too.
Wednesdays
(17,311 posts)I can see how they could get info on African American voters, but how could they tell if someone voted for Bernie?
FakeNoose
(32,577 posts)He seems to think the Russian bots had targeted the Bernie-bros.
Not sure how they got their identities, but maybe it was from another hack.
Don't ever doubt the Russians, they can hack anything.
NoveltySocks
(8 posts)The story that got a lot of attention was how the Sanders campaign got a glimpse of Clinton voter files due to what the company said was a software error in Dec. 2015. However, that apparently wasn't the only time the company experienced such an error.
I wonder if there were other, far more nefarious actors looking at/collecting the information in both Dem primary campaign voter files?
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/democrats-data-breach-vulnerability-216955
FakeNoose
(32,577 posts)They've pretty much proven that the voting machines were hacked in Wisconsin, and very likely in other states. If you recall the swing states that went for Trump and killed Hillary's hopes of winning were Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan and one other. (maybe North Carolina)
The voting machines in these states were probably hacked and it didn't take much to tip the entire state to RED instead of BLUE. Someone else posted on the same thread that they thought Florida was also hacked. It would be very hard to prove because we've done away with paper ballots in most states. So there's nothing physical we can recount to compare with the computer numbers.
The chilling thing is that these machines were all installed and programmed more than 4 years ago. The conservatives in each of these states have arranged to have the hacked machines installed and they just waited for the right time.
Sorry I don't have anything to say about the followers of Bernie Sanders, that wasn't my original point. Maybe Bernardo can tell you what that was about. Bernardo says that Robert Mueller is looking into the connection between Jared Kushner and the Data Analytics people who probably are guilty as hell.
NoveltySocks
(8 posts)they appear the most egregious to me.
The timing of the machines' programming and installation is interesting, like there was a plan in place for some time.
I wonder if there were a couple of different hacking ops c. 2015/16 that crossed pathsa domestic one (aligned in some way with the GOP, like a think tank, campaign, etc.) and a Russian oneand that perhaps the Russians observed/became aware of what the domestic group was doing/planning to do and gathered info on those intentions.
Maybe such info comprises (at least some of) what the Russians are using to blackmail certain high-up members of the GOP? Might explain why they are in such lock-step with Cheeto.
Of course, the GOP generally aligns with whatever disgusting "leader" that party manages to cough up.
I'm just trying to put into words some things that have troubled me for awhile. Everything definitely seems shady as hell.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,955 posts)They analyze info from a number of people's Facebook postings and tweets and other social media posts.
Then they correlate likes, retweets, and reposts to deepen the relationships.
When they identify people who stochastically fall into groups (by Bayesian analysis and other techniques), they concentrate on identified Bernie voters / leaners or undecideds or greens. Particularly if they live in swing states, but also elsewhere because of synergistic effects that can reach back into swing states. They run bots that retweet and repost articles and tweets that might sour the voter on Hillary.
Thus there was a deluge of social media traffic about investigations into emails and Hillary and emails and the Clinton Foundation and emails.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Analytica
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_analysis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_mining#Data_Mining
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)them all.
neohippie
(1,142 posts)One of the largest owners of Facebook, Yuri Milner has ties to the Russian mafia. He also has ownership in a lot of Silicon Valley tech companies.
Remember how the fake news stories were pushed to specific users through social media like Facebook
http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/14/media/facebook-fake-news-france-election/index.html
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/27/facebook-found-efforts-to-sway-presidential-election-elect-trump.html
Facebook says some groups tried to use its platform to sway the outcome of the U.S. presidential election.
In a case study of the 2016 presidential election, the company said it found several instances of "information operations," its term for governments and organizations who attempt to sway political opinion by spreading fake news and other nefarious tactics.
The case study was included in Facebook's white paper on "information operations." It also detailed ways it was combating "fake news" and other misinformation spread by adding new technologies and creating more security features.
The company did not specify who the targets were or who was behind the attacks. However, it said its own findings do "not contradict" the U.S. Director of National Intelligence report on Jan. 6. The report was on Russian efforts to influence the election, and claimed Russian President Vladimir Putin was behind a campaign to get his "clear preference," Donald Trump into the White House.
It's probably not coincidences that he also owns Digital Skies, Zynga, a company that has tons of Facebook games and has ties to Kushner.
https://www.incomediary.com/who-owns-facebook-the-10-richest-facebook-shareholders
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/3286-facebook-are-you-interfacing-with-the-russian-mafia--kgb
Gangsters R Us
A number of Silicon Valley watchers, and business writers (see here and here) have noted DST's ties to notorious oligarch Alisher Usmanov, but relatively few have expressed any concern. Many of the media reports, however, have treated DST's CEO Yuri Milner as if he were an investment rock star, a young Russian Warren Buffet with an uncanny eye for profit potential in tech stocks. But Usmanov, who provided DST's startup money and is the company's largest investor (he owns 35 percent, reportedly) is widely recognized as a friend of Putin and one of the most feared of the Russian Mafia dons. Known as "the hard man of Russia," Usmanov is actually an Uzbek with a prison record and a violent past. Perhaps best known outside of Russia as one of the largest share owners of Arsenal, the English Premier League soccer team, Usmanov's extensive business holdings inside the former Soviet Union include mines, metals factories, media properties, and mobile phones.
Like Vito Corleone (the Marlon Brando character in The Godfather), Usmanov is known for making offers people are afraid to refuse. One who did refuse and is no longer around to talk about it, is Leonid Rozhetskin, a millionaire Russian-American, Harvard-trained lawyer, who wouldn't sell his 25.1 percent share in Megafon, the Russian mobile phone service provider. In fact, Rozhetskin had filed suit in New York, alleging he had been threatened with physical harm unless he sold his stake. In May 2008 Rozhetskin disappeared from his vacation villa in Latvia; only a pool of his blood remained. And Usmanov ended up in control of Megafon. All indications are that Rozhetskin was murdered. His mother points to the Putin government as the responsible culprit. But Usmanov is the Putin underling most likely to have ordered the hit. The New York-based media-celebrity blog gawker.com refers to Usmanov
Yuri Milner also has ties to Kushner
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/03/03/the-web-of-relationships-between-team-trump-and-russia/?utm_term=.c25a5cc8be35
Trumps son-in-law (Ivankas husband) also met with Kislyak during the period between Election Day and the inauguration, according to the New York Times. Kushner also has some loose connections to Russian business interests, according to the Times, including an investment from tech investor Yuri Milner in a real estate investment company and a friendship with the wife of oligarch Roman Abramovich. (She was invited to the inauguration as Ivanka Trumps guest.)
neohippie
(1,142 posts)I hadn't read this before
More on Kushner, CA, Trump, Facebook data mining
https://twitter.com/i/moments/863085002849910784
http://m.sacurrent.com/the-daily/archives/2016/10/27/project-alamo-lessons-from-inside-trumps-sa-based-digital-nerve-center
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-27/inside-the-trump-bunker-with-12-days-to-go
Mr. Evil
(2,825 posts)emphatically stating that the next president should choose the next Supreme Court Justice. How could he confidently make that statement if he didn't know the next president wasn't going to be a republican? The fix was in and he knew it! Someone on Muellers team needs to start putting the screws to him.
bucolic_frolic
(43,044 posts)Been quiet these months
George II
(67,782 posts)Xolodno
(6,383 posts)Talking about his leadership under crisis during 9/11.
procon
(15,805 posts)I can't imagine how they keep track of everything when it must be like pulling a loose thread on a sweater and watching as it unravels to reveal still more knots and skeins.
dchill
(38,439 posts)Johnny2X2X
(18,969 posts)I've always maintained that at the very least, the Trump campaign shared lists of voters for the Russians to target with Fake News on Facebook. The Russian misinformation campaign was too sophisticated and it aligned with the campaign every step of the way. They provided their voter analytics to the Russians and they helped coordinate which voters were vulnerable to fake stories about Hillary. This is all pretty obvious.
Also obvious was that they coordinated data dumps from the hacking with the Russians for maximum effect. And there are even cases of the campaign going public with hacked data before the hacked data was released to the public.
Data analytics would also be necessary to target voting machines to hack. They'd have to know which ones they could hack and alter the tallies without it being obvious to statisticians.
Bottom line, Trump was not elected to the Presidency, he stole the Presidency with help from Putin.
Gothmog
(144,919 posts)cynical_idealist
(359 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)NCjack
(10,279 posts)golfguru
(4,987 posts)There was no way Hillary was going to lose Illinois.
The Russians are stupider than I thought.
sellitman
(11,605 posts)Some one high profile.