Goodbye democratic underground, the problem with America is not just about trump and his voters.

[shockey80]

The problem with America is the american people have lost their way, period. This website proved it. I'm out. I am close to retirement and i have made plans, taken action to shield myself from the american people who have become self destructive fools. Goodbye.

[hrmjustin]

1. Goodbye cruel world!

[stopbush]

86. Don't let the door hit ya...

[jpak]

2. Drama!

[imanamerican63]

3. Someboddyyy is trolling again?????

[okieinpain]

6. lol n/t.

[Hayduke Bomgarte]

4. I am devastated

`

[MFM008]

5. Sorry , I know

We all can't be perfect.

[Floyd R. Turbo]

7. Well hell, guess Skinner et al. will close down the site now!

[demmiblue]

8. Lol. n/t

[Amishman]

9. This country has always been a fucked up place, we're just noticing it more

[snooper2]

14. Nah actually getting better every year..

Enjoying Steak n Shake for lunch haven't had for YEARS!

Try getting that in Venezuela right now

[jmg257]

10. bye.

[cyberswede]

11. Some people disagreed with your post. It happens.

There's actually a fairly interesting discussion in your thread, though. Which is the point of DU, isn't it?

Best of luck to you.

[stevenleser]

19. Is that what this is about? OP couldn't handle disagreement?

Forget America, there is no place on the planet to go to avoid that. Humans disagree.

[cyberswede]

73. I presumed so...

since this was a recent OP:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029213387

[snooper2]

12. Cool, hey a question- Since you are reading this thread to see the replies to the awesome OP

Does that mean you really haven't left?

And do you know where chocolate milk comes from?

[NCTraveler]

54. You didn't......

Moooooo

[Stallion]

13. I Love a Good Retirement Speech

[brooklynite]

15. Hope you used those 293 posts economically...

[stonecutter357]

16. the problem with America...........No but trump and his voters are racist pigs .

[whathehell]

33. If Trump voters are all "racist pigs"

How come 12 million of them voted for Obama in 2012.


Sorry, I can't stand Trump, but the "it was all about racism" reason doesn't fly.

[WinkyDink]

38. Misogyny would.

[LiberalLoner]

120. +1

Why do so few people GET that?

[bdjhawk]

133. EXACTLY!!!!!

[stonecutter357]

43. ALL of the Trump voters I KNOW are "racist pigs"

[whathehell]

50. That may be, but I guess you don't know all of them..

[stonecutter357]

57. show me one that is not a racist pig .

[whathehell]

62. Um, at least SOME of the twelve million who voted Obama in 2012?

That seems a very good start.

[stonecutter357]

66. if you voted for a racist pig you are a racist pig ....

[whathehell]

71. Yep, keep that simple thinking.

I guess it never occurred to you that not may have perceived him that way.

[stonecutter357]

76. simple thinking is what gave us trump...

[whathehell]

93. Yes, that's why I avoid it. n/t

[Cha]

111. I agree.. if they voted for a racist pig they're a damn

racist, misogynistic pig.

**Racial attitudes made a bigger difference in electing Trump than authoritarianism.***

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/04/17/racism-motivated-trump-voters-more-than-authoritarianism-or-income-inequality/

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028939957

[stonecutter357]

112. hello Cha...

[Cha]

114. Aloha, stonecutter..

[pangaia]

130. if you voted for a black man, are you black?

[NCTraveler]

58. You think someone voting for Obama means they aren't racist?

One heck of a statement you have there.

[whathehell]

69. A "racist pig" would be HIGHLY unlikely to vote a PoC into the presidency.

They may not be PERFECT on race ( who is?) but they would not be severely racist, no.

[NCTraveler]

74. Interesting.

"They may not be PERFECT on race ( who is?) but they would not be severely racist, no."

From they are not racist, to this statement.

Impressive to say the least.

[whathehell]

95. Glad you think so.

[Binkie The Clown]

17. Yeah, I know. I've left in disgust several times.

I always come back a few hours later, though. I must be some kind of masochist.

"Oh, please, flame me again. Yes, yes. Flame me harder! I can take it."

[Tommy_Carcetti]

18. C- on the Walt Starr GBCW Scale.

Come on, man.

You can do better.

[Kahuna7]

78. That was a classic. Didn't he manage to get tombstoned after that? nt

[denbot]

81. Doesn't even come close to a "Walt Starr"!

F-

[madinmaryland]

110. Heh. The contents of the tombstoning thread...

Walt Starr: "Skinner, Tombbstone me right the fuck now, if you can't take me."

Skinner: "OK"

[Kahuna7]

118. LOL. I wonder what ever happened to him...where he ended up. nt

[Crunchy Frog]

138. Found him.

http://www.dailykos.com/blog/Walt%20starr

[nini]

134. Lolololol

Thag was hilarious and a DU classic

[NCTraveler]

20. Best wishes. Sorry you dislike me so much.

I'd like to think I'm a pretty good person. There is still time left for me to rise to your level of awesomeness.

[bigtree]

21. take care of yourself

...be kind to those you feel have 'lost their way.'

[yankeepants]

22. Is that a door bruise on your ass?

[Laf.La.Dem.]

23. I bet he will NOT leave!

But - goodbye - just in case

[NRaleighLiberal]

24. most important thing I've read today (NOT!)

[kentuck]

25. well...

bye...

[geek tragedy]

26. In honor of the late Powers Boothe

[hlthe2b]

27. Well, all rightee then. You do know the " American People" nor DUers for that matter

are not a single-thinking (unthinking) monolith, right?

Bon Voyage, I guess (or if you hate France too), perhaps Прощай ?

[defacto7]

28. I agree with most of your comment...

Except the leaving part and generalities about DU. Take a break and come back fighting. Most of the comments in this thread are the best example of your position so take it as a win. It's not time to give in, it's time to hunker down.

[Oneironaut]

29. People will mock the OP, but he's right. Everything is left vs right now. We're not "Americans"

anymore. We're Democrats or Republicans. People have latched their identity to their political party to such an extent that trying to have a debate always degenerates into kindergarten-level name-calling. This country is in serious trouble if we can't pull together.

Democrats, Republicans, Liberals, Libertarians, alt-whatevers, or whatever you call yourself, we're all Americans.

I don't know what is making Americans hate each other now, but it's a shame.

[WinkyDink]

40. You don't KNOW?! Do you KNOW that Republicans are shutting out all Democrats from the AHCA doings,

for one example?

[pirateshipdude]

46. Are your rights, your life being put at risk by the Republicans?

At what point are we allowed to stand up for our rights and our very lives without being accused of being divisive?

[Oneironaut]

63. Yes and yes. The general tone has turned toxic. It's behind agreeing and disagreeing.

Politics is now treated as a team sport, where the objective is to cling to your team and block out any disagreement. I have no problem with internal politics that sometimes turns nasty. There's a difference between that and the current attitude, which is almost cult-like.

The shooter was an example of the political terrorism that is being encouraged by an increasingly toxic atmosphere in this country. I expect many more incidents (though I hope I'm wrong). I'm not saying "Democrats are encouraging terrorism" - I'm saying that the general tone has turned poisonous.

Basically, we've gotten so mentally lazy that we (the American people) treat our own side as doing no wrong, and the other side as villains. This leads to the country breaking up into factions constantly at war with each other. Something needs to change.

I believe that the issues start with the President, who has done nothing but spew venom since his first day in office.

[pirateshipdude]

80. The shooter was not a Democrat nor a Clinton supporter.

When they are taking away our civil rights, women's rights, Health Care, and putting us in jeopardy with foreign policy, we should be expected to stand up and speak out. Fight it with everything we have. At the very least.

This is not about, "both parties do it". One party and a party outside of the Democratic Party. Lets us at least argue from an honest basis of conversation.

[YCHDT]

51. Another false equivalency post

[stonecutter357]

52. shit like this vomit from trump is what's making Americans hate each other .

By the way, if she gets to pick, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know," Trump said.

[Oneironaut]

67. I totally agree. Trump is the most poisonous of them all.

He'e purposely dividing the country and injecting venom into the political process. On the day of his impeachment and removal from office, I'll down a six-pack in sheer relief that our national nightmare is over.

[haele]

65. When only one side tries to debate, there's not going to be a debate.

It's not a hate issue, it's like the old saying of trying to teach a pig to sing. You won't get anywhere, and you'll only annoy the pig.

There's a significant group in America that just wants to be left alone to live in their own little worlds. They like living under an authoritarian "leadership" that gives them the simplicity Manichean choices in life, and have no interest in governance or diplomacy - and certainly not in anything that happens outside their sphere. They will attack anything that threatens their comfort.
They're not going to debate, and they're not going to listen, until reality slaps them upside the face in no uncertain terms. They live in an Establishment.

Democrats operate in Coalitions. Blue Dogs, Yellow Dogs, and True Believers - and just plain folks with a wide range of interests who generally like to look for solutions.
Locally, they may have established groups with their own socio-political hierarchy (including mini-Bosses that dictate the party focus in some areas), but on the whole, when they come together, Democrats represent a very wide, very colorful and sometimes contradictory coalition of progressive interests, where negotiation and governance are critical to maintain forward momentum - for everyone, not just a few.
Not every issue has just two sides, and no solution can be either "perfect" or "totally wrong".

And that's why DU sometimes seem to be "mean" to single issue/radical posters who come in to "debate". Because most of the time, such attempts to "debate" are thinly veiled attempts to proselytize - the "debater" isn't going to listen to anyone who might possibly contradict his or her worldview, or point out flaws in the argument. Instead, they attack everyone who doesn't agree with them.
Most times, just pointing out the weaknesses or attempts to explain (not excuse) a situation or opinion ends up being a mud fight when one side just doesn't want to admit that someone else has just as valid - or more valid - evidence for a different solution or even just viewpoint.
You can't have a discussion with someone who does not want to acknowledge or have a modicum of respect where you come from.

Oh, and venting or pointing out an injustice or problem is not "discussing". Lots of people make that mistake...

Haele

[Oneironaut]

72. I would say that proselytizing has become the norm in politics.

It's one of the biggest reasons things have gone sour, imo. There's a sense that anyone who disagrees is an idiot who needs to be mocked rather than debated with.

DU is still much better than any other site on the internet, though. It's really one of the only places where someone can debate others without being subjected to 12-year-old name calling, annoying memes, page-consuming trolling, and generic insults (snowflake, etc.).

[Worktodo]

75. Respect and #fakedebate

>>

Because most of the time, such attempts to "debate" are thinly veiled attempts to proselytize

This is spot on.

>>

You can't have a discussion with someone who does not want to acknowledge or have a modicum of respect where you come from.

Also this. Thank you. Pin that on the front page and the world would be a better place.

If you haven't listened to Joe Biden's recent interview on NPR's Fresh Air I think you would enjoy it. It hits these points exactly.

Side note: DU in general has been under intense Troll Attack for a while (this week was terrible I think). I hope the OP isn't mistaking trolls for the real and kind people who generally post here.

[muriel_volestrangler]

88. That's bollocks. Load of Republicans mistrust or hate Trump too

and so do most independents. That's why he has a 60% disapproval rating - years before any other president got that bad. That's why the other countries in the world hate or laugh at him.

I know what's making Americans hate - Trump. It's as plain as a pikestaff. That was how he got elected - he went for the "I hate someone" vote - and his malignancy, narcissism, and unfitness for office makes people hate him.

[sheshe2]

128. He is at 64% disapproval now.

[byronius]

30. Ironically self-revealing in every way.

Nothing specific to say about this magnificent forum after 293 posts, just a blanket condemnation and a complete abdication of all civic responsibility. Which happens to people, you know. It's a natural thing for sick creatures to crawl away and hide.

The truth is that staying in the fight and continuing to express opinions takes courage and strength, which fails all of us at some point. Me, I take great solace in this place. I'm amazed at the river of information and analysis, never seen anything like it, love every bit of it. But maybe someday I'll lose my heart as you have and withdraw to get closer to the dirt-nap stage.

You have failed to shame us, however, if that was your intent. You say nothing relevant or instructive except about your internal world view, which is clearly dismissive of all human beings that are not you. Classic. Consider, though, that declaring failure and opting only for self-preservation is not a brave or kind thing to do. Human, yes. Primal, yes. Worthy? Thoughtful? Not so much.

Luck of the former Democratic Undergrounder to you, short though your time may have been.

I'm not leaving until there's a tombstone in my avatar.

[Nevernose]

31. Maybe you've got a point

Trump has us playing defense. 90% of "the conversation" is about the great orange asshole.

Poverty threads, for instance, are infamous for dropping like stones around here.

Still more good than bad, though.

[jodymarie aimee]

59. Nevernose is spot on

All Cheeto all the time, or fighting with each other does get tiresome. Hardly any posts on how we as individuals are working for progressives in our own corner of the country. It is all reaction, not action.

[YoungDemCA]

122. "Poverty threads, for instance, are infamous for dropping like stones around here." Indeed.

Shows this site's priorities...

[RKP5637]

32. Oh no, not more drama! n/t

[SHRED]

34. The Mighty Oz has spoken!

[unblock]

35. dude, you wrote a good o.p. in that other thread. so you didn't like a few replies. big deal.

stick around, this is a great place.

then again, if your skin is too thin to handle a few different opinions, then yeah, maybe you should leave.

[WinkyDink]

36. Whatever.

[whathehell]

37. Only 29% of Americans voted for Trump..

Seriously. Half didn't vote at all, and the others voted for Hillary, Johnson or Jill Stein. That being said, you may feel free to go.

[Lint Head]

39. Goodbyeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[TheBlackAdder]

41. You'll be back... under this handle or another coded one.

Last edited Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:49 PM - Edit history (1)

[tazkcmo]

42. Quitter.

Please, go. We need fighters, not quitters.

[samnsara]

44. bye

[MineralMan]

45. So long here, yet so soon gone.

We hardly knew you, and now you're leaving. Farewell to you, and smooth sailing...

[hatrack]

47. Now, where did I put it . . . uh . .. AH! There it is!

?itok=Nd_28sbg

And I don't even have the energy to make the saw move . . .

[Marengo]

48. Huh? How does DU prove the "american people have lost their way"??

[nocalflea]

49. That's the spirit !

When the going gets tough, cut and run.

[Raster]

53. GCW...

[Tommy_Carcetti]

83. It's crazy how blunt and raw his concession speech was considered for years....

....and yet it was still mild compared to your run of the mill Trump "speech", if you can call them that.

Shows how the pendulum has shifted.

[Raster]

94. No kidding... tRump* has changed the political landscape...

...and seemingly NOT FOR THE BETTER... Unless we, as a people, are able to recover and learn from this disastrous foray into national insanity.

[NastyRiffraff]

55. Well, this is the end

DU cannot possibly survive.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

56. Oh no!! Guy I never heard of is really leaving??!!! nt

[HipChick]

60. Why do folks always need to annouce they are leaving???...

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

61. Well bye

[lpbk2713]

64. Weren't you supposed to have left in November?

Didn't get the memo?

[tonyt53]

68. Hell, I AM retired and will never give up this country.

There are a lot of so-called Americans that I wouldn't piss in their ears if their brain was on fire, but I'm not giving up on the rest.

[Lil Missy]

70. Did somebody say something? Is there an echo in here??

[Loki Liesmith]

77. Do we know you?

[anneboleyn]

119. My first thought--I was like who the hell is this poster? Oh well. I'll go back to GD now.

[denbot]

79. And you are...?

Oh No's!

[LovingA2andMI]

82. So You Felt The Need To Announce This....

Instead of just DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT? Well....

[procon]

84. Having survived to retirement age, most folks my age have acquired a thick skin.

Sorry if you didn't get the memo.

[Hortensis]

85. Goodbye, Shockey. Stay well. Voting is what counts,

talk's just a personal indulgence.

[LexVegas]

87. ...

[tandem5]

89. Run and fetch the smellin' salts quick as you may and you there, go and get Doc Peterson!

I fear our time is short!

[book_worm]

90. Only 293 posts and ready to schuck it all. Well, goodbye!!

[NurseJackie]

100. So young ... Such a shame.

[sheshe2]

131. I get upset and so very tired at times...

we all get down, yet we do not stay down. I found a lot of friends here, we keep giving each other a hand up. That is what friends are for.

then...

[we can do it]

91. Bye bye miss American pie

[DinahMoeHum]

92. Yeah, well, whatever.

Your loss, not ours.

[disillusioned73]

96. Take care of yourself..

I get it..

[Snotcicles]

98. +1.nt

[Mosby]

97. you should delete this

Did you get a couple hides recently? Get over it.

[NurseJackie]

99. LOL! Oh you! Such a kidder.

[Squinch]

101. Heh.

[Mr. Ected]

103. Goodbye Cruel World

[diva77]

104. Hi Shockey - sorry you're leaving us - but you're welcome to come back anytime

It can be frustrating at times trying to get your point across here and it can be disappointing when you don't get the response you were hoping for...maybe you can take a breather and then rejoin us when you feel ready...at 293 posts, you have not yet begun to fight!! Best wishes...

[still_one]

105. Lol. Your profile speaks for itself. You spent so much time here after all

[lunasun]

106. Good Luck & enjoy your retirement

[Aristus]

107. I had almost forgotten what DU rage-quitting was like.

I guess it's starting back up...

[stonecutter357]

108. Are you gone yet ?

[johnp3907]

109. Gosh, I'll miss you SOOOOOO much!

How WILL we survive without you?

[dalton99a]

113. There is an ignore button.

[MyNameGoesHere]

115. Pink has a cure for that

[Tanuki]

116. Or James Darren.....

https://m.

[pintobean]

117. Lol. Post removed

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9213444

[rickford66]

121. What a dopey thing to do.

How can we be sure you never look here again ? Just because you may not post anything don't mean sheeet ! OK, off with you.

[struggle4progress]

123. ... O, let America be America again --

The land that never has been yet --
And yet must be -- the land where every man is free.
The land that's mine -- the poor man's, Indian's, Negro's, ME --
Who made America,
Whose sweat and blood, whose faith and pain,
Whose hand at the foundry, whose plow in the rain,
Must bring back our mighty dream again ...

O, yes,
I say it plain,
America never was America to me,
And yet I swear this oath--
America will be! ...

Let America Be America Again
Langston Hughes

[Generic Brad]

124. There is a place where you can post and everyone who accesses it agrees with you

It is called a diary. You should check that out.

[Stinky The Clown]

125. You shall not be missed. In fact, I, for one, are glad you're gone.

Anybody who posts such a cheesy screed deserves they scorn wrought upon them.

[GitRDun]

126. 293 posts and you are out?

Pretty thin skinned dude...

[rzemanfl]

127. Almost nine years here and 293 posts. Prolific.

Door, ass, don't. You know the rest.

[LuvLoogie]

129. Hasta...

[Alea]

132. Bye, I was just beginning to not know you

[FrodosNewPet]

135. Thanks for stopping by!

[orleans]

136. swan song?

[betsuni]

137. But stay, O spite!

But mark, poor Knight
What dreadful dole is here!
Eyes, do you see?
How can it be?
O dainty duck! O dear!
Thy mantle good,
What, stain'd with blood!
Approach, ye Furies fell!
O Fates, come, come,
Cut thread and thrum;
Quail, crush, conclude, and quel!