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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 11:53 AM Jul 2017

Creationist blames dreadful attendance at Ark theme park on tax-starved city not supplying...

Creationist blames dreadful attendance at Ark theme park on tax-starved city not supplying ‘tourist services’

NOOR AL-SIBAI
03 JUL 2017 AT 19:22 ET

The creationist behind Kentucky’s failing “Ark Encounter’ theme park is at it again.

Ken Ham, the president and CEO of “Christian apologist ministry” Answers in Genesis, penned an op-ed that once again deflects the blame for the failure of his Noah’s Ark replica theme park. This time, Ham argued that the culprit is Williamstown which footed the $92 million bill for the park that now graces their city for not providing enough infrastructure to accommodate visitors to their new “attraction.”

“Williamstown, where the Ark is located, doesn’t have the tourist-related services that Dry Ridge (a neighboring tourist trap) has, so it needs more businesses like hotels and restaurants if it hopes to experience the growth that Dry Ridge is now enjoying,” Ham wrote.

There are a slew of problems with Ham’s reasoning. As Hemant Mehta at The Friendly Atheist points out, Williamstown has received no financial incentives to stoke growth in the area because Ham negotiated a “ridiculously low” 30-year property tax rate for the taxpayer-funded park. Ham is also garnishing his employees’ paychecks to help repay the loans taken out to complete the park.

According to a Patheos article published while the park was still under construction, employees are subject to a two percent “job assessment fee on gross wages.”

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http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/creationist-blames-dreadful-attendance-at-ark-theme-park-on-tax-starved-city-not-supplying-tourist-services/

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Creationist blames dreadful attendance at Ark theme park on tax-starved city not supplying... (Original Post) DonViejo Jul 2017 OP
So, it's sinking? They're awash in a flood of red ink? NurseJackie Jul 2017 #1
Yes and yes. Last month they blamed the failure on Atheists and the liberal media. eom DonViejo Jul 2017 #2
Why does god hate them? NurseJackie Jul 2017 #4
Even God knows the Great Flood didn't happen. 3 active dynasties (China, Egypt, India) existed then. TheBlackAdder Jul 2017 #22
I read a great quote a while back.... A HERETIC I AM Jul 2017 #33
Which is essentially heresy.... Xolodno Jul 2017 #54
They're already blaming atheists for the low park attendance sakabatou Jul 2017 #5
From the article.... DonViejo Jul 2017 #8
Well he is correct. It's the last place I'd ever go. dem4decades Jul 2017 #9
...... trusty elf Jul 2017 #6
The flat earth society meets the creationists Noah's Ark MiddleClass Jul 2017 #19
That's great!! NurseJackie Jul 2017 #31
Not the giraffes! Adsos Letter Jul 2017 #43
That is hysterical! Thanks! nt Ilsa Jul 2017 #45
lolol! Solly Mack Jul 2017 #48
"And he gathered up 2 of every %." lame54 Jul 2017 #18
Oh, that is good! 3catwoman3 Jul 2017 #56
And the successful grifter blames the marks . . . hatrack Jul 2017 #3
"Ham is also garnishing his employees paychecks to help repay the loans...." trusty elf Jul 2017 #7
I'd be interested to know how he's doing that gratuitous Jul 2017 #10
It's a RTW state, employees don't have to pay union dues, why be forced to pay this 'due/tax?' TheBlackAdder Jul 2017 #24
The 2% the employees are having deducted is to service the junk bonds that were floated. A HERETIC I AM Jul 2017 #35
How the fuck is THAT legal...it's not like they owe him a debt for his employment of them.. Volaris Jul 2017 #15
Most red states have highly oppressive labor laws BannonsLiver Jul 2017 #38
Sounds highly illegal. n/t tammywammy Jul 2017 #17
So a dishonest portrayal of a non event bdtrppr6 Jul 2017 #11
"Ark won't even hire members of town's community unless they ascribe to same fundamentalist beliefs" trusty elf Jul 2017 #12
In the Bible things are usually 40 years underpants Jul 2017 #14
The expression "40 days and nights" or "40 years" is just... DonViejo Jul 2017 #25
I know underpants Jul 2017 #49
Again, how the fuck is this LEGAL? Volaris Jul 2017 #16
I believe the state allowed it. Let the area burn under its weight and debt load. They asked for it. TheBlackAdder Jul 2017 #21
Like I said in a previous thread... Archae Jul 2017 #13
That's some perspective. rusty quoin Jul 2017 #32
"look on my works ye mighty and despair" 0rganism Jul 2017 #41
That's creepy and sad. underpants Jul 2017 #50
Wikipedia - interesting history including Falwell going down the water slide in a suit underpants Jul 2017 #51
Ham praises God for his successes--even for the socialism he gets. Ignores it when God forsakes him. TheBlackAdder Jul 2017 #20
There's a born again sucker every minute. yortsed snacilbuper Jul 2017 #23
Hey that's good. rusty quoin Jul 2017 #34
Install some slot machines, yortsed snacilbuper Jul 2017 #26
Not if tRump is running things it won't. stopbush Jul 2017 #37
They'll need strip joints and sex workers if they want to bring in Ilsa Jul 2017 #46
If you build it they won't come. lpbk2713 Jul 2017 #27
Wants to be Noah, instead he's Job. elehhhhna Jul 2017 #28
Tourists still exist, Ken Initech Jul 2017 #29
I would love to visit Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2017 #39
And it's $80 a ticket, unless Ilsa Jul 2017 #47
Last week, it was us mean old atheists Warpy Jul 2017 #30
It's not the atheist, the liberals, nor the townspeople. rusty quoin Jul 2017 #36
Mr. Ham needs a lesson on how many times you can con the stupid people for a buck. Vinca Jul 2017 #40
Franklin, with great foresight, adressed this type of thing directly. Adsos Letter Jul 2017 #42
Yes, Ken, but didn't God create Williamstown? Isn't it technically God's fault? Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #44
Jesus will provide n2doc Jul 2017 #52
Last week he blamed atheists Nevernose Jul 2017 #53
I blame people's evolving tastes (nt) FreeJoe Jul 2017 #55
evolving tastes lebkr Jul 2017 #57

TheBlackAdder

(28,183 posts)
22. Even God knows the Great Flood didn't happen. 3 active dynasties (China, Egypt, India) existed then.
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 01:30 PM
Jul 2017

.

The time when Biblical scholars cite the Great Flood's occurrance, there were three active dynasties.

On top of that God also knows there were no dinosaurs at that time. Ham is making this a sham.

.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,365 posts)
33. I read a great quote a while back....
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 02:10 PM
Jul 2017

something to the effect that Ken Ham believes the earth was created in 6 24 hour periods about 6000 years ago, roughly the same time the Sumerians invented glue.

Xolodno

(6,390 posts)
54. Which is essentially heresy....
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 06:04 PM
Jul 2017

Genesis clearly states that days, years, etc. didn't exist until the fourth "day".

Creationists are flipping literal on the account of creation, if they applied there insane theology to the rest of the bible, they should be limbless, blind and deaf....but then, maybe that's the point its making.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
8. From the article....
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 12:02 PM
Jul 2017

<< This isn’t the first time Ham has tried to pin the blame on his expensive and ambitious project away from himself. A few weeks ago, Ham complained to a local news outlet that atheists protesting the park were the reason it hadn’t lived up to his expectations. >>

MiddleClass

(888 posts)
19. The flat earth society meets the creationists Noah's Ark
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 01:08 PM
Jul 2017

Thank God they're wrong, otherwise it would be disastrous for them.

I guess the prosperity gospel is not helping out either?

Maybe they are sinners and God does not want to reward them with riches or taxs.


I guess Brownback and Stephen Moore, were wrong about tax cuts for the rich boosting economic growth and paying for themselves.

hatrack

(59,583 posts)
3. And the successful grifter blames the marks . . .
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 11:58 AM
Jul 2017

I wonder if they'll pony up some more after this little shit-fit?

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
10. I'd be interested to know how he's doing that
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 12:07 PM
Jul 2017

In most states (I don't know about Kentucky), if an employer doesn't pay all wages when due, the employee has a massive club in the wage and hour laws to make the employer pony up. If employees are voluntarily kicking back a portion of their pay to keep the place afloat, that's one thing. But if Ham is withholding or diverting his workers' pay to cover his own expenses without their consent, he's in for a world of hurt.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,365 posts)
35. The 2% the employees are having deducted is to service the junk bonds that were floated.
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 02:13 PM
Jul 2017

It isn't "to keep the place afloat", rather to try and keep a bond series from defaulting.


The place is doomed anyway.

BannonsLiver

(16,369 posts)
38. Most red states have highly oppressive labor laws
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 02:42 PM
Jul 2017

That always benefit private industry always to detriment of the employee.

 

bdtrppr6

(796 posts)
11. So a dishonest portrayal of a non event
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 12:12 PM
Jul 2017

failed to bring in the masses. Whodathunk? Besides anyone with a brain. Anyone who believes this shit, needs to have their head examined. Hogwash for idiots in the first place. Ken Ham is a moran. Way to go, Atheists, keep it up. Shut more of this shit down. Grifters preying on the weak minded.

trusty elf

(7,385 posts)
12. "Ark won't even hire members of town's community unless they ascribe to same fundamentalist beliefs"
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 12:12 PM
Jul 2017

and yet they were given a ridiculously low 30 year property tax rate? Why?

Outrageous

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
25. The expression "40 days and nights" or "40 years" is just...
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 01:33 PM
Jul 2017

that, an expression for "many days and nights" or, "many years."

underpants

(182,763 posts)
49. I know
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 04:42 PM
Jul 2017

I was offered a religion scholarship at the Methodist school that I started at. It only took me 10 years to get a degree.

Archae

(46,317 posts)
13. Like I said in a previous thread...
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 12:22 PM
Jul 2017

This tourist trap is going to end up like Jim and Tammy Bakker's "Heritage USA."

 

rusty quoin

(6,133 posts)
32. That's some perspective.
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 02:08 PM
Jul 2017

All that money spent on that and it's all gone to waste. Imagine what it could have bought to actually help people.

Jim Bakker, the quintessential greedy preacher. I see he's on television again selling tubs of rapture survival food. Too many people are incapable of learning. That's why we are doomed.

0rganism

(23,939 posts)
41. "look on my works ye mighty and despair"
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 03:06 PM
Jul 2017

I met a traveller from an antique land,
Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”

Ozymandias, P. B. Shelley, pub. 1818

underpants

(182,763 posts)
51. Wikipedia - interesting history including Falwell going down the water slide in a suit
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 05:08 PM
Jul 2017
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritage_USA




Video 9+ mintues. Jerry doing his fundraising baptism starts at about the 5:00 mark. There are mascots.

Warpy

(111,242 posts)
30. Last week, it was us mean old atheists
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 01:56 PM
Jul 2017

who insisted on paying the full ticket price and going through it with barely suppressed giggles at the cavemen riding dinosaurs and other creationist howlers. This week it's the stingy taxpayers who built the damned thing but now won't duplicate Gatlinburg or Pigeon Forge for him.

Well, I guess this is progress, he's finally realized he should have built his white elephant closer to some place that's already a tourist attraction. Branson would have been perfect, the faithful sinning all week in the honky tonks and one act theaters and coming to Ham's pile of lumber on their last vacation day to get their sins washed away.

KY is going to have to take that thing over and turn it into a massive casino to turn a profit.

 

rusty quoin

(6,133 posts)
36. It's not the atheist, the liberals, nor the townspeople.
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 02:16 PM
Jul 2017

The dang thing is too far out of the way, and the cost of admission too much just for a laugh.

Vinca

(50,261 posts)
40. Mr. Ham needs a lesson on how many times you can con the stupid people for a buck.
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 03:02 PM
Jul 2017

How many times would a person want to shell out money to see Adam and Eve on a dinosaur??

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
42. Franklin, with great foresight, adressed this type of thing directly.
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 03:33 PM
Jul 2017
"When a Religion is good, I conceive that it will support itself; and, when it cannot support itself, and God does not take care to support, so that its Professors are oblig'd to call for the help of the Civil Power, it is a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one." Letter from Benjamin Franklin to Richard Price, October 9, 1780.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
52. Jesus will provide
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 05:35 PM
Jul 2017

If Mr. Ham sends me 1,000,000 dollars I am certain it will come back to him 10x over from Jesus! Jesus told me Himself! Cash only, no checks accepted.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
53. Last week he blamed atheists
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 05:44 PM
Jul 2017

So I guess I should say "You're welcome, Earth. Not sure what exactly I did, but I'm pleased with the results."

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